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Finding that he was a predator had nothing to do with the NFL conduct policy. Saying his actions were egregious had noting to do with the NFL conduct policy. Those were determinations in her decision which were independent of anything to do with NFL policy in any way. The grand jury heard the testimony of one of his victims only. Not four which shows his pattern and brings far more evidence to the table than what the grand jury ever heard.

For someone who said they would accept her decision it now seems that you don't. Funny how that works when her decision didn't line up with what you had hoped for and expected.


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I did accept her decision.

It's too bad you do not accept the Grand Jury's decision and are relying on the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy to decide a man's innocence or guilt. I better stop and allow you have the last word. Hell, what I just said might be considered "name calling" on this board.

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What NFL conduct policy defines or asks a judge to determine someone is being a predator? How about any NFL policy that asks a judge in any case to determine that a players actions were egregious? There are none.

It seems you promote the idea of a case only having one witness which makes it strictly a he said/she said by the very definition, over a case where four victims bring far much more evidence to the table and make it a he said/she said, she said, she said and she said case.

No, it's not name calling. But then some people have a firm grasp on understanding the difference.


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I have yet to comment on the Watson allegations or issues surrounding it, but this video seems to be as good a time as any to do so. I apologize in advance as this will likely be long. I am also guessing this may upset some posters, maybe those on both sides of this discission.

First of all I have never felt like I was supporting the morals or personal behavior of a player, good or bad, when I cheer for my favorite team. I have no idea if the public persona and media accounts of a player are an accurate true portrayal of their behavior, and it is not likely I will ever be close friends with one, so I don't let it affect my decision. Obviously, some players have very positive reputations and 2 off the top of my head are Nick Chubb, and when he was here, Christian Kirksey, who are consider great guys. Obviously, Watson's reputation is trash now due to these allegations and he is in the company of the likes of Ray Lewis, Joe Mixon, Kareem Hunt, Ray Rice etc,. I obviously don't know any of these guys personally, but many fans have not so good opinions of them.

Getting to the Watson situation, I found this video interesting. First, I am smart enough to know that this is a legal answer by the defendant answering charges in a civil case. I expect it to read such that it puts the defendant in as positive light as possible. I also don't know if it is illegal to "lie" in your written answer to charges or not, so maybe someone with true legal knowledge can answer that.

I have seen it implied many times on this board that it is nearly impossible for the allegations to not be true just because of the large number of plaintiffs. I don't necessarily agree with this, mainly because of the money potential involved. Of course, one or all, could be telling the truth, but to me it is also quite possible that a few or even a good portion of the plaintiffs could have been recruited with the promise of financial reward. The same argument regarding the number of those being proof something happened, then 5-6 plaintiffs who the defense claims to have witness accounts from family members that they weren't traumatized and even some wanting to cash in, could be extrapolated that all 26+ were not being truthful and just in it for the money also.

If you would not think this could involve a conspiracy regarding the attorney and the first few plaintiffs recruiting others, and maybe even the Texans being involved in some level, I feel that is naive and has to at least considered as a possibility. . Money has great influence, and it does horrible things to people. I have seen it tear families apart.

I have seen Watson referred to on these boards and Facebook as a perv, a rapist, a sick human being etc, and he may well be, but he also could be completely innocent. I don't know him and neither do almost any of the posters here.

I have a wife, 2 daughters a, a daughter-in-law and a 6 year old granddaughter. I don't however, feel we must believe all women, every time. Theare too many cases where many people have been harmed with false allegations. These types of crimes and allegations are very difficult to prove in civil court & criminal court especially. It's too bad we don't have true lie detectors that are admissible, because if I were accused the first thing I would do if demand polygraph tests for all parties.

So anyway, I have no idea what the truth is and neither does anyone else other than the accusers and Watson. I refuse to label the man and I obviously would prefer he be innocent, and his defense puts doubt on the claims.

I also completely reject the claims that he is guilty because he settled a few of these cases. I have personally known of civil suits brought against innocent people who settle on advice of their insurance company because it costs less than a year of legal fees. He may be guilty but it no way implies guilt to me.

I feel this will never be settled and even if either side present compelling evidence to their case, many will never change their opinion that has been based on media representations of information.


OK, I am done, I will remain a Browns fan and hope everyone on the team has success on the field.

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And to some extent that's part of what it boils down to. You have to either believe that all 24 women are nothing but lairs or there is some truth to it.


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j/c... I have no real desire to watch a 45 minute video about this. I've had more than my fill of the arguments. But, if someone would like to sum up what this big revelation is -- that would be nice.

My opinion hasn't really changed. There is more than enough "evidence" to show that Deshaun was a creep, a perv, and thought he could get away with it because of his standing. I don't rely on courts to come to that decision. Strong opinions on both sides have a certain amount of self-evident truth, imo. Just the simple number "26" (or whatever the number, it's hard to keep up) holds a few truths for me... A. he made plenty of girls very uncomfortable (at the very least) and it's obvious that trying to turn a massage into sex was a regular part of his visits. B. There's a good to definite chance that some of these women were jumping on the bandwagon for a payday. Neither extreme changes my mind about whether he was a creep or a perv.

When the wound was fresh, it had a small affect on me as a fan because it was downright embarrassing. Time has already cured part of that because he's settled the cases and you don't have to hear about it everyday. It doesn't diminish anything he's done; just makes it easier to wear my colors in public.

And that's the bottom line, and has been for me since the beginning. I have favorite players, even players on other teams that I root for. Not sure if Deshaun will ever become that -- don't really care.

I root for the Cleveland Browns. Have since birth, will do 'til I die.


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Well said. I think you speak for a lot of Brown's fans. Many just don't talk about it much.

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j/c

DE Chris Smith, who spent 8 seasons in NFL, dies at age 31

Former NFL defensive end Chris Smith has died, the Cleveland Browns and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, announced Tuesday. Smith was 31.

Smith was a member of the XFL's Seattle Sea Dragons this season.

The cause of death was not disclosed.



"Chris was one of the kindest people, teammates and friends we've had in the organization," the Browns said in their statement.

Browns tight end David Njoku tweeted, "Hometown hero and a brother to everyone. Such a kind soul. This is Heartbreaking."

Smith spent eight seasons in the league, also playing for the Jacksonville Jaguars, Cincinnati Bengals, Las Vegas Raiders and Houston Texans. He finished with 11 career sacks.

Smith started two games with the Browns during the 2018 season. During the 2019 season, Smith's girlfriend was struck and killed by a driver in a traffic accident. She was a passenger in Smith's car and exited the vehicle after it had a tire malfunction and hit the median. The two had just had a daughter together.

Smith made a comeback and returned to the NFL in 2020, playing eight games with the Raiders.

He played in college at Arkansas.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36223731/former-browns-de-chris-smith-dies-age-31-per-agent


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NFL suspends three more players for entire 2023 season for gambling violations

The NFL on Thursday suspended three players for at least a full season and another for six games in the latest batch of punishments for violations of the league's gambling policy.

Indianapolis Colts cornerback Isaiah Rodgers and defensive end Rashod Berry, along with free agent defensive tackle Demetrius Taylor, are all indefinitely suspended and must sit out at least the 2023 season before seeking reinstatement. All three were found to have placed wagers on NFL games last season, the league said in a statement.

Tennessee Titans offensive tackle Nicholas Petit-Frere also was suspended for six games for placing bets at the team's facility on non-NFL games.

The Colts announced later on Thursday that they had waived both Rodgers and Berry.

"We have made the following roster moves as a consequence of the determination that these players violated the league's gambling policy," Colts general manager Chris Ballard said in a release. "The integrity of the game is of the utmost importance. As an organization we will continue to educate our players, coaches, and staff on the policies in place and the significant consequences that may occur with violations."

ESPN reported that an online sportsbook account used by Rodgers placed more than 100 bets, including at least one wager involving the Colts.

On June 5, the Colts confirmed in a statement that they were aware of an investigation into an unnamed player and would have no further comment. Rodgers posted a statement on Twitter later that day, saying he took "full responsibility" for his actions.

"I know I have made mistakes and I am willing to do whatever it takes to repair the situation," Rodgers wrote. "The last thing I ever wanted to do was to be a distraction to the Colts organization, my coaches, and my teammates. I've let people down that I care about.

"I made an error in judgment and I am going to work hard to make sure that those mistakes are rectified through this process. It's an honor to play in the NFL and I have never taken that lightly. I am very sorry for all of this."

In a statement to ESPN, Petit-Frere apologized to "my family, coaches, teammates and the Titans fans."

"I have always strived in every stage of my life to follow the rules," he said. "I did not knowingly break the rules. Even after attending a league presentation, I was unaware about the specifics around placing bets from a team facility."

Earlier this offseason, five players were suspended for running afoul of the league's gambling policies. On April 21, the league issued indefinite suspensions lasting through at least the 2023 season to three players who were found to have bet on NFL games: wide receiver Quintez Cephus and safety C.J. Moore of the Detroit Lions and defensive end Shaka Toney of the Washington Commanders. Lions wide receivers Jameson Williams and Stanley Berryhill were also banned for six games for sports bets not involving NFL teams. Cephus, Moore and Berryhill were later released by the Lions.

Wide receiver Calvin Ridley, a 2018 first-round pick of the Atlanta Falcons who recorded 90 catches and 1,374 receiving yards in 2020, was suspended all of last season for gambling on NFL games. He was dealt to the Jacksonville Jaguars at last year's trade deadline, and the league officially reinstated him in March.

Rodgers, 25, first made a name for himself as a sixth-round pick with his work as a kick returner. After starting nine games last year, he was expected to play a key role in the Indianapolis secondary following the team's decision to trade top cornerback Stephon Gilmore to the Dallas Cowboys. Now, first-year coach Shane Steichen and defensive coordinator Gus Bradley might have to count on second-round rookie Julius Brents to hold down a starting role on the outside.

Petit-Frere started all 16 games for the Titans last season as a third-round rookie out of Ohio State, and he had been set to hold down the right tackle spot again this year.
What is NFL's gambling policy?

In June, the league began an effort to re-emphasize its gambling policy as it pertained to players. The six "key rules" that officials the NFL outlined were:

Don't bet on the NFL;

Don't gamble at your team facility, while traveling for a road game or staying at a team hotel;

Don't have someone bet for you;

Don't share team "inside information";

Don't enter a sportsbook during the NFL playing season;

Don't play daily fantasy football.

"It comes back to, in large part, a couple of rules that have existed as long as anybody can remember," Jeff Miller, NFL executive vice president of communications, public affairs and policy said in a conference call with reporters last week. "Don't bet on the NFL. That's not new because sports gambling is more available. That's always been the case. And don't bet when you're at work, wherever work happens to be in that moment. That's existed for a long time."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...dZBOQFFm6Y7x6voM1Pet_CH3-KgR1YjNgm4BUgQ8


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Seems easy enough to understand. I guess for some it is hard to do.


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