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Agreed. We should make changes to how we profile potentially troubled individuals. We should identify them and get them treatment at a young age. We should pass laws that make Cyberbullying a crime. We should limit how much time our youths spend w/out adult supervision. We should stop encouraging the divide that exists on the political, racial, religious, and economic fronts.

Glad to see that you are finally seeing the light.

The FBI runs it. I suspect it would take legislation to do so.

Stupid meme. GOPer logic.

Here the MGA just passed two bills that amount to "If we make it illegal to carry anywhere no one will have a gun".

It is stone cold liberal logic.

I honestly could care less what it would take.. We just gotta get it done.

A gun that nobody touches is no more dangerous than a paper weight. In the wrong hands, it's weapon of mass destruction.

We have some very sick SOB's out there. Carrying a gun into a Dunkin Donuts is just one example.. These fools that attacked the capital on J6,,, need to be disarmed.. SO many have been found guilty of all manner of crime, maybe that's the start. Felony=no gun permitted.



These changes probably won't help stop the quiet, shy guy or gal who has never gotten into trouble..You know who I mean, we've all known one or two.. the one that when they go nuts and kill people, most would say,, no way.,. there were no signs! Not sure there is a way to root them out so nothing will be perfect until you can.

I'm not sure if you have ever filled out a 4473 but from the instructions:

There were people shooting guns on J6?

One person was shot and killed.

She was shot by a police officer, not "the fools that attacked the capital and need to be disarmed".

Maybe they need to be disarmed.

What I can't understand is how all the rioters weren't shot and killed. Why aren't the capitol police armed with AR-15's? I know it's hindsight, but had I known this was going to happen and I was in charge, I'd have been ready and they'd have never gotten in the building.

This is America, there are legit ways of protesting and then there is the thug way. These folks picked the Thug Way. These people aren't that bright.. something wrong with them..

I can only speak for my own opinion - but I feel quite certain that if the protest had been comprised of a different demographic, but with the same level of violent rhetoric and attacks on police officers etc, the same in every way with the exception of what they were protesting over and the demographic - then more protesters would have been shot and not a single protestor would have set foot within the building.

There are thousands of video footage examples of "legit ways of protesting" like the two examples below. Funny how one's political persuasion defines "legit ways of protesting" and "thugs."

No Vers... that doesn't count. They were mad for a reason!


Funny how one poster says people on J6 (because that's what he wants this thread to be about now -- it went five posts without "TRUMP!") "should have been shot at the gate with AR15s as soon as they tried to get in."

Another says, in no uncertain terms, they would have been if they were black.


Facts and video show officers escorting rioters inside the building, opening barricades allowing them to enter the Capitol without resistance.

But no one wants to talk about that, I wonder why??

They thought they were there for a tour?

Apparently.

The hypocrisy from that side is one of the reasons I have changed my political alliances. I can't say I actually support the Right, but this life-long Democrat no longer supports that party and believes they are off the rails.

There's a lot of that going around in my family and circle of friends. The reasons range from "embarrassing" to "absolutely corrupt".

Most everyone I know said the rioters from the BLM protests should have been arrested and prosecuted. I have no idea of Daman's position. Maybe he can clarify. Certainly if the rioters on Jan 6th are thugs - it would be appropriate to call every looter and violent protester from BLM protest a thug and criminal that should have been prosecuted tot the full extent of the law also.

I've stated that position dozens and dozens of times. As has Pit as have others - and yet here we are with the spin and insinuation of something different.

And yes - a Black protest like we saw on Jan 6th on the Capitol Building would have been handled very differently. They would have been equally guilty - but the police response would have been different. That's my opinion - if you want to offer a different opinion go ahead. If you want to discuss my opinion or disagree go ahead..... It's a discussion board where many differing opinions can and should collide.

You did the spinning, now you want to be the martyr as well??
This place is too much!

I did disagree, I did discuss. I simply stated that your point of view (as stated by you) is: "more protesters would have been shot and not a single protestor would have set foot within the building."

But still, again and forever, no one wants to discuss the fact that they were welcomed with open arms, ushered in, had barricades moved out of the way by law enforcement.

I'm providing "spin". 🤣

Just for some context on the premise that the Democrats embraced the rioting at BLM and are hypocrites for the reaction to Jan 6th:

https://www.fayobserver.com/story/o...-black-lives-matter-violence/4170932001/

There's more but if you want the cliff notes:

The Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol building and U.S. Congress by mobs of Donald Trump supporters has inspired a flood of condemnation, and rightly so.

Five people are dead in its wake, including a Capitol Police officer; more than 70 people have been arrested; and the FBI has indicated hundreds of additional arrests could happen. Trump’s critical role in stirring up the violence led to his unprecedented second impeachment on Wednesday.

The attack is indefensible.

But I have seen entirely too many people, especially on social media, compare the Jan. 6 attacks to the Black Lives Matter movement. They specifically claim they see contradictory reactions to BLM and the Capitol rioters by Democratic politicians and supporters of Black Lives Matter.


The idea that Democrats did not criticize the violent elements of the BLM and social justice movement last summer is false.

They did condemn the violence. Here are just eight prominent examples:

1. President-elect Joe Biden on May 31 in a written piece on Medium sympathized with the mistreatment of people of color, writing that “protesting ... brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response.” But he added: “Burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.”

There was one clip that I saw right after the event that showed of a guy sitting in an office chair and a security guard or police officer [not sure which] was taking a photo of him w/the guy's own phone. LOL.....I didn't take this attack as seriously as others after that. To be clear...bad things may have occurred, but I didn't pay attention after I saw some of the footage that was anything but aggressive. I'm sure someone will correct me and tell me that one of the "thugs" shot and killed a person.

I'm no martyr.

I pointed out the lie that you and Vers wanted to put out there that people thought the BLM rioting was acceptable - but Jan 6th was not. That's not spin. That's not me being a martyr - that's a game Vers plays, you been hanging out with him too muuch maybe? Certainly your playing his game and taking side swipes without actually talking to the person you disagree with. And no - you didn't disagree and discuss, you poked fun and belittled. There's a major difference. The old Fate I talked to knew the difference.

As for the 90 seconds of video showing the police opening doors on Jan 6th - what is your point? Be specific. That HAS been discussed. People absolutely have brought that up here. It happened. I can't tell you why - or what those police officers were thinking but it has been discussed . . . . But then so did all of the other video footage get discussed, which far outweighs the 90 seconds of video you want to reference. So what specifically do you want to talk about. Do you think there were Trump supporters who believed the election was stolen might have been on duty that day? And here's an explanation from one of the officers himself - in a Right leaning publication no less: https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/capit...shaman-video-reveals-hands-off-approach/

Here's an analogy for you - the BLM protests had some where between 15-26 million people participate in the USA. What percentage of those people were violent rioters and looters? Thousands WERE arrested. But as a % of the 15-26 million - the numbers are tiny. By comparison we have barely a couple of minutes of video showing "calm and welcoming conduct" or whatever you want to call it - compared to hours of violent video, police testimony, audio of "hang Mike Pence" and the like. It seems like you want to extenuate the small % of BLM violence and downplay the vast majority of Jan 6th violence. How does that work.

Bottom line BOTH are wrong - it doesn't matter who is violent or looting or destroying property - they are wrong. If you think a video of a police officer opening a door on Jan 6th proves something - you'll need to spell it out. Because saying "But no one wants to talk about that, I wonder why??" isn't a gatcha moment - it's a deflection. What is it you want to talk about?

And that sounds pretty typical - find a way to down play or deflect instead educating yourself, asking hard questions and really understanding what happened. Fall back onto what resonates with your confirmation bias instead of challenging it.

Maybe read the words of someone who was actually there instead of relying on the media to spin it one way or another:


U.S. Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell:


"My fellow officers and I were punched, pushed, kicked, shoved, sprayed with chemical irritants and even blinded with eye-damaging lasers by a violent mob who apparently saw us law enforcement officers, dedicated to ironically protecting them as U.S. citizens, as an impediment in their attempted insurrection,"

Gonell said that he could hear officers "screaming in agony" as the mob crushed them and that he heard specific threats on the lives of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and then-Vice President Mike Pence, who was presiding over the event to certify the presidential election in Biden's favor.

Gonell described how he tried to assist two Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department officers who were being dragged into the crowd.

"I fell on top of some police shields on the ground that were slippery because of the pepper and bear spray. Rioters started to pull me by my leg, by my shield and by my gear straps on my left shoulder," he said. "My survival instincts kicked in, and I started kicking and punching as I tried in vain to get the MPD officers' attention behind and above me. But they could not help me because they were also being attacked."

"I could feel myself losing oxygen and recall thinking to myself, 'This is how I'm going to die, trampled defending this entrance,' " he said.

a U.S. Army veteran who served in Iraq, Gonell said rioters called him a "traitor" as they attacked him.

"In Iraq, we expected armed violence, because we were in a war zone. But nothing in my experience in the Army, or as a law enforcement officer, prepared me for what we confronted on Jan. 6."

He didn't get home until 4 a.m. the next day.

"I had to push away my wife from me because she wanted to hug me. And I told her 'no' because of all the chemicals [on] my uniform. I couldn't sleep because the chemicals reactivated after I took a shower, and my skin was still burning," he said. By 8 the next morning, he was back at work.

"I made sure to work despite my injuries because I wanted to continue doing my job and help secure the Capitol complex."

"Even though there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary, including hours and hours of video and photographic coverage, there is a continuous and shocking attempt to ignore or try to destroy the truth of what truly happened that day, and to whitewash the facts into something other than what they unmistakably reveal: an attack on our democracy by violent domestic extremists, and a stain on our history and our moral standing here at home and abroad,"

Once again........the personal insults rear their ugly head. I did not "lie" about a thing. We were all alive to witness what went down and how the media covered it.

Bran Sicknick died of natural causes, a stroke from blood clots not from anything that happened on Jan 6th.

You mad bro?

I'll poke fun at will. Mostly because the majority of the discussion here is a joke. Now you're crying about me "telling lies" for one sarcastic comment... And then go on to try defend the actions I'm being sarcastic about with more stupid statistics that say #mostoftheprotestswerepeaceful.

I don't care if you have 500 hours of video footage, it doesn't outweigh the 90 seconds of footage that set the stage. I would discuss that, but it's really not worth it. According to you, I'm just "spinning and deflecting".

Cue Pit with some whatabouts, "you see"'s, recycled links... and more facts that "only 7% of the burning buildings were hot". Then you can have your thread back and cheer each other on for "schooling" me.

No worries, not mad, just writing it like I see it. Have a good day.

So they have decided to go from being a Republican to being a Democrat?

So out of all the people and officers involved, you wish to use a single example of one officer allowing protestors in as what actually happened that day? There were 140 officers injured. So rather than speak about that you wish to bring up a single example of what occurred in the case of a single officers action.

Sounds a lot like Tucker Carlson finding four minutes of footage out of over 41,000 hours of security tape from Jan. 6th. to try and paint a picture he wanted to paint. Exactly like it.

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmm...." The Left loves to challenge anyone who dares think outside their limited boundaries, yet they complete ignore a comment like the following.

Stated way better than I, sad our country has become Blue/Gray again...now Red/Blue- are we still all Americans? Gun lovers say guns don't kill, people kill- face the facts- the US has a HUGE killing each other/ and ourselves problem and too many guns are a factor.

It's not a single example of one officer. The Capital Police suspended 6 officers and investigated 35. That was reported on February 18, 2021. However, there are no stories after February 19th, 2021... including the results of other investigations. Obviously, this angle didn't fit the narrative, and the powers-that-be decided it shouldn't be in the news.

Here, I even picked an article form the beloved state-sponsored NPR if you'd like to peruse some facts. They didn't get the memo in time to squash the story...
https://www.npr.org/sections/insurr...stigates-dozens-more-after-capitol-riots

That's a terrible thing for him to have posted! In actuality I wouldn't care one way or the other what weapons they were armed with. However shooting and killing protestors at the Capital is just a crazy thing to say.

Not much more crazy than using a couple of single examples of what happened on Jan. 6th as a reason to refuse to look at it big pictures as 140 officers were injured. Juries have currently convicted over 1000 for the crimes they committed on Jan. 6th. Of couyrse you saw a protestor doing what? Sitting in a chair and having his picture taken with a single officer? That often happens when someone uses a microscope instead of a telescope.

None of the crimes committed on Jan. 6th or the summer riots carried a sentence of the death penalty. As such none of those people in either case should have been shot and killed.

And yes, most of the summer protests were peaceful whether you like that fact or not. Actually the vast majority of them.

BLM and Floyd protests were largely peaceful, data confirms

In CCC data collected from May 2020 to June 2021, 94% of protests involved no participant arrests, 97.9% involved no participant injuries, 98.6% involved no injuries to police, and 96.7% involved no property damage.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Polit...ests-were-largely-peaceful-data-confirms

Microscopes seem to be the tool most often used by many.

Yes 6 examples verses 140 officers injured. It's pretty easy to see who is actually trying to write a narrative here. So far juries have convicted over 1000 people for their actions on Jan. 6th but people are still trying to write a different narrative. At least you're creative. Well not really since many right wing nuts have been promoting that same story for a long time now no matter how many people have been convicted of their crimes.

The fact that you can allow yourself to hit "post reply" to that ridiculous statement pretty much says it all.

So if one teacher lets a shooter in (circling to the long-forgotten thread title), it doesn't matter as long as other teachers were injured as a result?

You post some craaaazzy stuff bro, but that's a classic. 🤣

It's funny - there are people on the board who post extreme comments on the left and the right. Sometimes it seems like a deep seated belief - other times it seems like an off the cuff or angry retort. Every time I see some whack comment from the Right fringe - I don't post comments about how you or others didn't respond and tell that poster how whack their opinion was. But somehow it's okay for some posters to use what someone from "the left" says and tar and feather others with it. Seems about right. Actually that has spewed over from pure football where the same sort of thing happens a lot. smh.

I'm assuming from THIS comment that you believe the police officers who let protesters in - or did not challenge them or try to stop them - need to be prosecuted or investigated? Is that right ?? Because no-where in any of your other posts did I pick that sentiment up and you sure as hell didn't explain that. I would agree 100% - officers should be held accountable for their actions. If you read what I linked to in the Ney York Post one officer DID explain exactly why he did what he did. If you don't think his justification is valid I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. If somehow this isn't what you were implying, maybe expand a little.