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I agree. The Steelers were night and day different with Watt on the field and when he was out. Would it not be fair to expect the same from Myles Garrett? With an improved line around him if he were to turn in an MVP type season, I would think this team rises to another level. I believe that Watson and the Browns offense is better than the Steelers. If Garrett can match Watt in an MVP performance, there is no reason the Browns should not be better than the Steelers. Then if Garrett has an MVP season, I would think our defense will be better than both the Ravens and Bengals defenses. The Watson and the offense just need to be comparable to both Burrow and Lamar. If that happens, I think the Browns will win the division. While I expect Watson to be better and lead the offense Myles Garrett is our best player and he should be able if healthy to have an MVP type season.

Is winning the goal?

You don't pay a 230 million dollar guaranteed contract for "good". Superman? No, just as good as he was before he quit on his team in Houston.

True, he need to exceed or equal his years at Houston....I think he can. Time will tell.

That would be about 4,400 yards with 29 TD's and a 105 QB rating at a minimum. Considering the Cleveland Browns haven't been on the plus side of point differential since 2007 and only three total times since 1990 (30 years), anything less would be a hard disappointment.

During Stefanski's rein (3-years), the Browns have averaged 22.67 points per game. The average of the top 5 scoring teams each season over the last 3-years is 29.18 points per game. That would mean a Stefanski led offense quarterbacked by Watson will need to generate about 111 more points this season than previously produced to be a top 5 scoring offense. For those who care, that's a 28.7% increase in scoring this coming season compared to the average of the last 3 seasons. Good Watson doesn't pull that off but a Top 5/230M Watson producing at an elite level has a chance. JMHO

I don't care how many pts they score- W's are what counts. With upgrades in receiving guys AND best running back in NFL- I'd be surprised if we don't win at least 10 or more- get in dance and anything can happen....GO Browns!!!!

Kevin Stefanski has profoundly stated, oh' " they aren't losing games b/c they don't take field goals at the end of first halfs' "............. and settle for whiffing on a TD try which = 0.

I can't believe K. S. still believes that. ^

They are never going to get those extra eleven points if the coach cannot accept a field goal when the opportunity presents itself.

Wishful thinking but 'W's" only occur by outscoring the other teams. Considering the Browns haven't been on the plus side of point differential since 2007 and only three total times since 1990 (30 years), the Browns record(s) over that time period would negate your synopsis. The upgrades at receiver are purely based on hopeful potential and not on past production results considering 4 of the top 6 haven't even had over 550 yards in a season - (Moore - never, Bell - never, Tillman - rookie, and Goodwin - not since 2017). So, the supposed upgrades at WR are potential that's not really based on any facts or stats (and that's ok because the Browns needed to do something). No argument on Chubb except for the fact that NFL trends would say that at 14.85M this year and 16.2M next, Chubb is overpriced for today's market. Don't get me wrong, I have no complaints about what Chubb has done for the Browns, but trends are trends for a reason and not sure how long the Browns can continue to be so far outside the box on RB pay with the cap hits that are coming. With a 25% drop in running plays predicted, is the money being well spent? I don't know.

Like it or not, you have to score to post a winning record and the Browns need about another 111 points just to be competitive in the AFC North before even considering winning the North. That's not being negative, it's just an opinion based on statistical facts rather than potentials. There are 32 teams hoping their potential will lead them to the promise land but statistically only about 6-8 that will actually demonstrate that potential to have a chance - here's hoping the Browns are one of those 6-8 teams.

Any time anybody brings up anything factual you automatically jump on it as being negative.

And that has what to do with today?

Answer: The Browns will have to score more points to be successful!


"No argument on Chubb except for the fact that NFL trends would say that at 14.85M this year and 16.2M next, Chubb is overpriced for today's market."

Sure that is not negative?

Answer: Cook and Elliot cut - Sanders traded - Jacobs, Pollard, Barkley, Singletary and Eckler no new deals from their clubs - Aaron Jones took a pay cut.
All facts and will have a bearing on Chubb.

Those are not negatives fish, those are just the facts that the Browns must face.

Don't state any negative facts. You're no longer allowed to have any opinion or post anything that doesn't include sunshine and roses. We are all supposed to be holding hands and singing Kumbaya. I'm surprised you didn't get the memo.

Thanks for making my point.

Message boards are designed to be for healthy debate. Not a one sided rah, rah holding hands sing along. That's the very purpose of their existence. I'm sorry that concept escapes you.

True, you do have to score more points so we have to score more than the other guy.

Limiting points scored against is a real stat which also contributes to a teams ability to win.

In theory a D could register a safety and win the game....so it isn't all about points scored by the O.

If the D gives up 17 points, we should win games and can look at the O if we don't. If we give up 27 and don't win, it is maybe a little of both. Every game and team is different so it is hard to put a number on things but if we score 24-27 points it will be hard to say the O faltered.

Losing games isn't all on the O, no matter what your agenda might say.

Okay, you win. Nobody is ever allowed to say anything negative ever again on Dawgtalkers. Only sunshine and roses are allowed moving forward.

Healthy is the operative word.


Too many are just piss and vinegar.,,,hint, hint.

Accuracy is frowned upon. I get it.

2 decades of constant non playoff appearances can really
Affect the psyche of a fanbase.
The Browns have their most talented roster since the return.
But what Is missing from this team? That keeps from achieving?
Why can't it win the North ?
I think the Browns finish 9 and 8.
The AFC is so loaded. Alot of good teams won't
Make the playoffs. It happens every year.

AFC North records last year
Cincy 12-4
Balt 10-7
Pitt 9-8
Cle 7-10

AFC North scoring offense per
Cincy 26.1
Cle 21.2
Balt 20.6
Pitt 18.1

Stats

Here's an article you can read that details some of what I was talking about. Nothing negative at all, just a fact about what is occurring in the NFL and could most certainly hit the Browns sooner than later. I was under the impression that this is a forum for the exchange of thoughts and ideas - you obviously don't believe that or just want to ignore the facts right in front of you. I didn't make this stuff up - it's actually happening and a newsworthy item for discussion on this forum IMHO.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...aa0c&ET_CID=282956&ET_RID=713506

And yet, every one of those teams in the AFC North had a better record than the Browns. The Browns were still 111 points away from the top 5 offenses in the NFL last year. If we have a top 5 elite QB that we invested in, then the expectation is that we get top 5 scoring offense. If we don't, then why the huge investment if the wins are not there? BAL and PIT were not top 5 in offense scoring yet they still finished better than the Browns. I'll go out on a limb here and guarantee that if the Browns only score 21.7 points per game in 2023 that they absolutely will not make the playoffs.

Roses Stink

Kumbaya is an Undefineable subjective state of mind.

hello? Sunburn??? Sunburn?

prediction? The Browns need to , " Win Won soon."