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I understand this isn't something as catastrophic or egregious as mandated composting but I thought I would share it anyway.

Don't you just think you are precious? Did someone forget to put you down for a nap?

Government mandates for stupid stuff are just dumb. I know you love your government to tell you how to live.

Wah. You sound like a six year old throwing a tantrum on the playground.

Maybe building more dumps would be better than composting? Some people can't seem to see past the end of their nose.

Disclaimer; For any six year old who may read this and feel offended by comparing such deplorable behavior to you, I totally understand and apologize in advance.


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Do you think I am a "party"?

If you were nobody would attend.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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I understand this isn't something as catastrophic or egregious as mandated composting but I thought I would share it anyway.

Don't you just think you are precious? Did someone forget to put you down for a nap?

Government mandates for stupid stuff are just dumb. I know you love your government to tell you how to live.

Wah. You sound like a six year old throwing a tantrum on the playground.

Maybe building more dumps would be better than composting? Some people can't seem to see past the end of their nose.

Disclaimer; For any six year old who may read this and feel offended by comparing such deplorable behavior to you, I totally understand and apologize in advance.

Maybe not fining people because they didn't put their potato skins into the official gubbermint pot and kept them for themselves? Laurel is a very liberal area, I suspect a lot of people already compost on their own. But you know... they can create a problem to fix, at taxpayer expense, so they can then campaign on it.

I get you love your nanny state, some of us can handle our own affairs.

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You don't seem to be handling them very well. All this outrage over something so trivial indicates a possible underlying issue. I had no idea you lived in New York.


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You don't seem to be handling them very well. All this outrage over something so trivial indicates a possible underlying issue. I had no idea you lived in New York.

I never claimed to live in New York.

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Yet it seems like a big deal to you. Even when someone made a joke about it. I thought maybe you actually had some vested interest in it. Obviously not.


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Lol..Some of us yes. Unless you’re a women impregnated by a rapist.


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They only approve of their nanny's. You know, banning abortions, banning books and the like.


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Lots of countries around the world have switched to aggressively sorting their household waste. China has stopped accepting the world's trash and that forced some of the changes. Gee I wonder what happens if people/communities/countries don't come up with better ways to deal with trash than throwing into a landfill??

What most of the rest of the (first world countries) / world can handle easily - apparently is a challenge for the USA. Instead of asking why - the defense seems to be attack the concept of more efficient waste handling and call it a Nanny State. That's about the right level I guess.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1098337/people-separating-waste-at-home-globally-by-country/

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Yet it seems like a big deal to you. Even when someone made a joke about it. I thought maybe you actually had some vested interest in it. Obviously not.

Yet it seems I think it is stupid and was posted in a different thread... you know, about democrats doing stupid things. Mayhaps you should play moderator with yourself and tell yourself to stay on topic. Oh no, you won't use the same standards for you as you do for others.

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The color purple is lost on some people. And so it goes.....


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Now back to our regularly scheduled program......

North Carolina GOP censures Sen. Tillis for supporting LGBTQ+ rights, immigration policies

GREENSBORO, N.C. (AP) — Republican delegates in North Carolina voted Saturday at their annual convention to censure Thom Tillis, the state’s senior U.S. senator, for backing LGBTQ+ rights, immigration and gun violence policies.

As Sen. Tillis has gained influence in Congress for his willingness to work across the aisle, his record of supporting some key policies has raised concerns among some state Republicans that the senator has strayed from conservative values.

Several delegates in Greensboro criticized Tillis, who has held his seat in the Senate since 2015, for his work last year on the Respect For Marriage Act, which enshrined protections for same-sex and interracial marriages in federal law.

Both the state and national GOP platforms oppose same-sex marriage. But Tillis, who had opposed it earlier in his political career, was among the early supporters of the law who lobbied his GOP colleagues in Congress to vote in favor of it.

Others criticized him for challenging former President Donald Trump’s immigration policies and for supporting a measure that provided funds for red flag laws, which allow state courts to authorize the temporary removal of firearms from people who they believe might pose a danger to themselves or others.

The North Carolina senator initially opposed Trump’s plan to use military construction dollars to build a wall along the nation’s southern border, but he eventually shifted his position.

Tillis spokesperson Daniel Keylin defended the senator’s voting record, writing in an email to The Associated Press that he “keeps his promises and delivers results.”

“He will never apologize for his work passing the largest tax cut in history, introducing legislation to secure the border and end sanctuary cities, delivering desperately-needed funding to strengthen school safety and protecting the rights of churches to worship freely based on their belief in traditional marriage,” Keylin said.

While the vote Saturday, which took place behind closed doors, cannot remove Tillis from office, supporters said they hope it sends a firm message of dissatisfaction. A two-thirds majority of the state party’s 1,801 voting delegates was needed for the resolution to pass, party spokesperson Jeff Moore said.

“We need people who are unwavering in their support for conservative ideals,” said Jim Forster, an 81-year-old delegate from Guilford. “His recent actions don’t reflect the party’s shift to the right — in fact, they’re moving in the exact wrong direction.”

Several state legislators, including Sen. Bobby Hanig of Currituck County, criticized the decision, saying it’s a bad idea to create more divisions within the party ahead of an election year when party unity will be paramount.

“I believe that a mob mentality doesn’t do us any good,” Hanig said. “Senator Tillis does a lot for North Carolina, he does a lot for the coastal communities, so why would I want to make him mad?”

State Sen. Jim Burgin of Harnett County said the vote to censure Tillis sets a dangerous precedent and does not allow enough flexibility for individual interpretation of party values.

Burgin questioned whether his own vote last month for North Carolina’s 12-week abortion ban would similarly put him at risk of being censured because it’s out of line with the Republican platform, which states that life begins at conception.

“I don’t think we need to be attacking our own,” he said. “You don’t shoot your own elephants.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-...rt-of-lgbtq-rights-immigration-policies/


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Ironic that dems are criticized for supporting LBGT communities and also in charge of the current cancel culture. rofl Funny how that works, right?


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the only state where the GOP hasn't completely lost their minds is here in Ohio, it SEEMS. emphasis on 'seems'. this state is so confusing. i love it and hate it at the same time.


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This state has become an embarrassment under right-wing extremist rule. This is not the State I grew up in. Ohio used to be one of the friendlier states, not fascist Trump flag flying y’alliban pickups and hate. We used to leave our doors unlocked, now we cower at every bump in the night. This state has gone to hell in a hand basket.

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Things have gone to hell.....list of living Presidents- Clinton, Bush, jr, Obama, and Trump---as bad as those guys left us- Trump's insanity is only one which really has divided USA- he's been found guilty directly or cagy/indirectly how many times since leaving office- his businesses/tax problem- guilty, his sexual problem- guilty, his current federal charges/ more charges sex payments----and yet part of America LOVES HE----we got serious problems if that loser is adored....WOW!!!


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Can anyone tell me what the hell this has to do with being the "Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction"? Who is indoctrinating America's students again?

School Boss’ Pro-Trump Rant Is Definition of Indoctrination

Oklahoma schools rank 49th in the nation, so you might assume the official in charge of running them would have more pressing concerns than issuing a completely bonkers statement regarding Donald Trump’s arraignment in Miami federal court.

“Joe Biden Leading a Banana Republic Coup Against American Justice,” announced the press release from Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters on Monday.

The accompanying statement has nothing to do with education and proved that the dunce elected last year to supervise the schooling of 700,000 kids is either a result or a perpetuator of far right indoctrination—possibly both.

“We are seeing the most profound unwinding of the U.S. Constitution that our country has ever experienced since the Civil War,” Walters’ statement begins. “The impending arrest of former President Donald Trump is Joe Biden wielding power that one would find in a third-world dictator attempting to end his opponent’s political campaign.”

Walters, who is 38, then proceeds from falsehood to conspiracy theory.

“The investigation is a highly coordinated trap by the DOJ, and the entire Democratic establishment promoting these actions.”

Walters ends by saying, “These are illegal actions by Biden as part of a banana republic coup on the entire judicial system and the Constitution.”

The truth is that Trump sought and failed to thwart the 2020 result with a Big Lie that he continues to voice daily—one that his followers still buy into wholeheartedly. He has bolstered his fantasy by installing a facsimile of the Oval Office desk in his Mar-a-Lago home and referring to himself in the third person. His pronoun is the royal, not the all-inclusive pronoun WE.

He has also held onto a stash of classified documents and refused to relinquish them despite numerous pleas and warnings from investigators. He once said that nobody is above the law—but he strenuously sought to make himself an exception.

Trump’s arrest and arraignment in Miami on Tuesday afternoon should have been a teachable moment for school kids in Oklahoma, along with everywhere else. The lesson is that even a former president is subject to the law. That is one of the central principles that made America great in the first place and will continue to do so as long as we honor it.

But in his statement, Walters chose fantasy over education—and you have to ask yourself why. Does he actually believe it?

A recording of him talking about kitty litter boxes in classrooms—a wacky falsehood spread by him and other far-right loonies to rile up their base—sounds like he would believe almost anything about the “the radical left” that he has pledged to vanquish from his state’s schools, along with their “woke ideology.”

Walters defended the far-right group Moms for Liberty when the Southern Poverty Law Center branded it an extremist group in its annual report released last week. And two days before he posted his delusional press release about Trump’s arraignment, he retweeted an announcement by the Moms for Liberty that he would be one of the speakers at the group’s upcoming summit in Philadelphia. Other scheduled speakers include Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who Walters seems to parrot often.

Moms for Liberty bills Walters as one of “the most innovative leaders in education in America.” Some of those who work with him might disagree. A state education official named Matthew Colwell who had, until last month, been in charge of overseeing Oklahoma’s federal education funds told a local news outlet, “We had to convert a 1-pager to 4 to 6 bullet points for Supt. Walters because I needed to translate it like I’m talking to a five-year-old.”

Colwell, whose duties included the complex task of ensuring each of the state’s 541 school districts received its due share, told The Daily Beast that Walters did not seem interested in the particulars of running a huge educational organization.

“At some point you start to expect that somebody in a position of that importance is going to learn something about how to do the job,” Colwell said. “It felt more and more like he’s not really interested in doing the job that he has. I don't know what job he wants, but it doesn’t seem to be being the leader of the school system in Oklahoma. It just kind of seems like maybe there’s something else out there.”

Whatever that something might be, Walters’ strategy for getting it seems clear.

“Tweeting and talking and spinning,” Colwell said. “Most of his attention [is] on really national political type stuff.”

That would include what Walters calls liberal indoctrination—as well as so-called wokeism. He has also spoken out about supposed porn in schools, an issue that Colwell says is not on the forefront of most teachers’ or students’ minds.

“None of that is like the concerns that people are raising in Oklahoma,” Colwell said. “These are not the actual issues that we hear every single day from teachers and superintendent and principals, what they're really dealing with. Like the porn in libraries, nobody’s worried about that in schools. They're worried about trying to get kids to go to the library.”

He added that if principals see porn as a danger, it is the porn that kids can summon instantly on their cellphones.

“And like sharing pictures of each other,” Colwell said. “That’s what principals are worried about. They’re not worried about, you know, some random book. No enterprising 13-year-old is going to search for porn by sneaking into his school library and find the one naughty book that got hidden there 10 years ago.”

In terms of innovation, Walters prepared to offer teachers big signing bonuses with a five-year commitment. Colwell, who says he is fiscally conservative and politically centrist, pointed out that Walters’ plan appeared to violate state law—and maybe also federal regulations.

“I guess the charitable way to say this is [Walters] has a higher tolerance for not complying with the law than I do,” Colwell said.

Colwell was summoned to human resources on May 26.

“They said, ‘I just got a call from your boss’” Colwell said. “HR got it directly from Ryan Walters that I was to be terminated, effective immediately.”

Colwell subsequently filed a wrongful termination lawsuit. A Walters spokesperson dismissed it as “Yet another example of a baseless claim.”

“Contrary to being a public servant, this individual is a political activist who has no business being funded by Oklahoma taxpayers,” the spokesman went on. “This administration will not tolerate pre-existing bureaucrats who are not 100% committed to empowering parents, ending leftist indoctrination, and making Oklahoma’s public education the best in the nation.”

The response sounded like a melding of Trump and DeSantis.

Walters’ spokesperson did not respond to an inquiry from The Daily Beast about the Trump press release and how that fits with the duties of a state superintendent—or whether his bananas banana-republic version of the event is what he would like to see taught in the state’s schools.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/oklah...em4Nly6YonQT2iCFVVnnLeUg32AVg8i24IXaPVBQ


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ya'll shouldn't be allowed to share content from these crackpot sites. (dailymail/dailybeast etc)


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They are direct quotes from the man who stated them. Is that your issue?


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Republican senators in Oregon end legislative walkout

Republican senators went back to work in Salem Thursday, ending the longest legislative walkout in Oregon's history, which stalled work for six weeks.

Why it matters: Democrats dialed back proposals on guns, abortion and transgender health care to get the Senate back to work, Oregon Public Broadcasting reports. The Legislature now has just over a week left to pass a raft of laws and a state budget for the next two years.

Details: Proposed gun restrictions were changed significantly in the deal to bring Republicans back to Salem, according to The Oregonian.

A proposal to ban "ghost guns" — weapons with no serial number, typically assembled at home after buying parts online — remains on the table, but Democrats agreed to drop amendments they had added to the bill, including raising the purchase age from 18 to 21 and allowing local governments to ban concealed weapons in public buildings.
Democrats also agreed to drop a bill that would have required training and a 72-hour waiting period before buying a gun. Similar rules put in place by a ballot measure are under court challenge.

Separately, a bill guaranteeing access to abortion and gender-affirming care will be amended as part of the deal, Oregon Capital Chronicle reports. Abortion providers will be required to notify parents of people younger than 15 who are seeking abortions, unless two separate providers agree that would be harmful.

It also drops grants for reproductive care and abortion services in rural areas and on college campuses.
Legal protections for abortion providers remain in the bill, which also mandates more insurance coverage of gender-affirming care.

Context: Republicans also won consideration of a bill that would ask voters to change the state constitution to allow impeachment of elected state officials.

What they're saying: Senate President Rob Wagner, D-Lake Oswego, said in a written statement that he was "encouraged that we were able to come to an agreement that will allow us to finish the important work Oregonians sent us here to accomplish."

Sen. Tim Knopp, R-Bend, said Republicans returned "in good faith" to finish the business of the session.

Of note: It's still unclear whether the extended absences of multiple senators will prevent them from serving another term, as intended by a 2022 ballot measure.

It could face a legal challenge.

What's next: Lawmakers need to change procedural rules to speed through bills stacked up on the Senate side. Republicans have agreed to stay for the rest of the session, which by law ends June 25.

If their work is not done, Gov. Tina Kotek could call the Legislature back for a special session.

https://www.axios.com/local/portlan...1HfjR7JD6fK3ogZo2WfbdES3XvHzuuUA13Pwc94E

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Six weeks away from work? Somebody needs to dock their pay at least.


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They only go into session every other year in Oregon. Pffft Goper’s. Never failing to disappoint as the party of no.


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You need to discern the difference between News and Events that are being reported on with quotes from individuals - versus opinion pieces from crackpot biased media. Same story -->

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Republican senators in Oregon end legislative walkout

Republican senators went back to work in Salem Thursday, ending the longest legislative walkout in Oregon's history, which stalled work for six weeks.

Why it matters: Democrats dialed back proposals on guns, abortion and transgender health care to get the Senate back to work, Oregon Public Broadcasting reports. The Legislature now has just over a week left to pass a raft of laws and a state budget for the next two years.

Details: Proposed gun restrictions were changed significantly in the deal to bring Republicans back to Salem, according to The Oregonian.

A proposal to ban "ghost guns" — weapons with no serial number, typically assembled at home after buying parts online — remains on the table, but Democrats agreed to drop amendments they had added to the bill, including raising the purchase age from 18 to 21 and allowing local governments to ban concealed weapons in public buildings.
Democrats also agreed to drop a bill that would have required training and a 72-hour waiting period before buying a gun. Similar rules put in place by a ballot measure are under court challenge.

Separately, a bill guaranteeing access to abortion and gender-affirming care will be amended as part of the deal, Oregon Capital Chronicle reports. Abortion providers will be required to notify parents of people younger than 15 who are seeking abortions, unless two separate providers agree that would be harmful.

It also drops grants for reproductive care and abortion services in rural areas and on college campuses.
Legal protections for abortion providers remain in the bill, which also mandates more insurance coverage of gender-affirming care.

Context: Republicans also won consideration of a bill that would ask voters to change the state constitution to allow impeachment of elected state officials.

What they're saying: Senate President Rob Wagner, D-Lake Oswego, said in a written statement that he was "encouraged that we were able to come to an agreement that will allow us to finish the important work Oregonians sent us here to accomplish."

Sen. Tim Knopp, R-Bend, said Republicans returned "in good faith" to finish the business of the session.

Of note: It's still unclear whether the extended absences of multiple senators will prevent them from serving another term, as intended by a 2022 ballot measure.

It could face a legal challenge.

What's next: Lawmakers need to change procedural rules to speed through bills stacked up on the Senate side. Republicans have agreed to stay for the rest of the session, which by law ends June 25.

If their work is not done, Gov. Tina Kotek could call the Legislature back for a special session.

https://www.axios.com/local/portlan...1HfjR7JD6fK3ogZo2WfbdES3XvHzuuUA13Pwc94E

Republican senators in Oregon are now the official, "If I don't get what I want I will take my ball and go home club."

Six weeks away from work? Somebody needs to dock their pay at least.


Republicans acting like mean girls throwing tantrums as a leadership model. SMH.

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Has anybody had a chance to look at the repub "Plan to Save America" yet?
This is not just one persons pipe dream-it is a plan made up from about 70-75% of house repubs.

Here are some lowlights;

Raise the age for social security from 67 to 69.
Privatize medicare
Stops govt from negotiate drug prices and rapid price increases; removes the cap on insulin
cuts funding for Obamacare and Medicaid and "revise" the protections for people with pre-existing conditions
Gut all non-defense spending, drastically
cuts any green spending
has lots of anti-abortion stuff
Endowment for the arts, public broadcasting, stuff like that-gone

But it would;
raise defense spending 3-5% over current yearly projections
Give mostly corps another 5 trillion tax cut

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"Nobody is above the law." per trump. "I will make sure documents are protected."

Irony or karma.

Now all the Gop's are singing about a "pardon" if elected. How does that go with nobody is above the law.


These spineless hypocrites are nauseating.

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I have seen online but not verified completely:

a) that everyone will have to take a pledge that whoever gets the nomination will have to pardon trump if elected
b) I saw last day or two that desantis is asking the RNC to put in their charter that excludes anyone currently indicted from getting the repub nomination for president

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Has anybody had a chance to look at the repub "Plan to Save America" yet?
This is not just one persons pipe dream-it is a plan made up from about 70-75% of house repubs.

Here are some lowlights;

Raise the age for social security from 67 to 69.
Privatize medicare
Stops govt from negotiate drug prices and rapid price increases; removes the cap on insulin
cuts funding for Obamacare and Medicaid and "revise" the protections for people with pre-existing conditions
Gut all non-defense spending, drastically
cuts any green spending
has lots of anti-abortion stuff
Endowment for the arts, public broadcasting, stuff like that-gone

But it would;
raise defense spending 3-5% over current yearly projections
Give mostly corps another 5 trillion tax cut


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Two vacuous bimbi in a frenetic race to the bottom.
Maybe they'll finally settle their differences when they meet up- at the Titanic wreckage site.

(frankly, I don't foresee much in the way of an international rescue effort when they finally have their pow-wow...)


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Anybody check out them celebrating winning the war on gas stoves?


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The Boebert vs. Greene fight isn't just happening in a ladies' bathroom anymore — it's out on the House floor and uglier than before

https://www.yahoo.com/news/boebert-vs-greene-fight-isnt-030929045.html


Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wants people to know that, yes — she did use a choice word during a confrontation with her onetime ally turned GOP nemesis Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert.

"She has genuinely been a nasty little bitch to me," Greene told Semafor when asked about a confrontation between the two women on the House floor on Wednesday.

"I told her exactly what I think about her," Greene said of Boebert, adding that she would "absolutely not" be reconciling with her House Freedom Caucus colleague.

Greene's statement to Semafor confirms a scoop from the Daily Beast's Zachary Petrizzo and Sam Brodey, who spoke to several sources who witnessed the exchange.

The heated back-and-forth was over articles of impeachment against President Joe Biden that Boebert introduced on Tuesday night. Greene — who has also filed articles of impeachment against Biden — accused Boebert of copying her legislation. Boebert denied doing so, per the Daily Beast's sources.

"I've donated to you, I've defended you," Greene told Boebert before referring to her with the profanity, per one of the Daily Beast's sources.

"And you copied my articles of impeachment after I asked you to cosponsor them," Greene added.

And while Greene is still going after Boebert, the Colorado Republican appears to want to wrap it up before any blood's drawn.

"Marjorie is not my enemy. I came here to protect our children and their posterity. Joe Biden and the Democrats are destroying our country," Boebert told the Daily Beast. "My priorities are to correct their bad policies and save America."

But Boebert couldn't resist getting a little jab in on the way out.

"Like I said, I'm not in middle school," she told CNN's Manu Raju, per CNN Capitol Hill reporter Haley Talbot.

Boebert and Greene have been feuding for months. In January, Greene confronted Boebert in a bathroom on Capitol Hill over her refusal to vote for Rep. Kevin McCarthy for speaker, per the Daily Beast.

Greene, too, has broken from the far-right Freedom Caucus on more than one occasion — she hit out at Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz during the Speaker vote, declaring herself "the leading MAGA voice in Congress" over Gaetz.

In November, Greene resolved to "fight it out" with her GOP colleagues over McCarthy's speakership.

"I'm telling you — I've always said I'm not afraid of the civil war in the GOP. I lean into it," Greene told former Trump adviser Steve Bannon on his "War Room" podcast at the time.

Representatives for Greene and Boebert did not immediately respond to requests for comment from Insider sent outside regular business hours.

Read the original article on Business Insider

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Aye, y’all remember when conservatives claimed they hated Hollywood and the elite? How come they keep sending reality TV stars into our government?


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Turns out John Durham didn't turn out to be the hero the GOP was looking for......

John Durham said exactly what Trumpworld didn't want to hear

The special counsel's testimony before the House Judiciary Committee didn't live up to the promises of retribution against Trump's enemies.

There was a lot of time spent in the weeds during Wednesday’s House Judiciary Committee hearing with special counsel John Durham. Lawmakers burned hours trying to spin, parse and unpack the dense, 300-page report he issued last month into the origins of the FBI’s 2016 investigation of former President Donald Trump. Names that nobody who hasn’t been glued to the coverage of the Russia probe and its aftermath would recognize got thrown around to a degree that at several points even I was left wondering, “Who?”

It wasn’t the most riveting of hearings, but here’s the bottom line: John Durham found nothing to discredit special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. At no point in his testimony did he take the bait from Republicans to give credence to Trump’s “Russia hoax” rhetoric. If anything, Durham went out of the way to praise his predecessor — even if his grasp on what Mueller found proved to be a bit shaky.

Like Durham’s investigation itself, the hearing was at times a crude doppelgänger of Mueller’s testimony about his findings in 2019. Then, as now, a special counsel defended his work before a divided partisan panel. Then, as now, the special counsel tried to stick to the scope of what was actually in the text of his report. And then, as now, Republicans desperately sought to spin the text before them into a full exoneration of Trump. A major difference is that this time, the laundry list of crimes that Trump has been accused of stretches much longer than it did before, including multiple criminal indictments.

Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, and his colleagues sought to paint Durham’s weak-tea conclusions — that the FBI had the responsibility to investigate claims of Russian collusion but made missteps along the way — as evidence of a vast conspiracy against Trump. Most of the accusations thrown around were relatively incomprehensible, especially since Durham found no specific wrongdoing of note from any particular member of FBI or Justice Department leadership. It was on the whole a rather tepid affair, befitting a rather tepid report that was packed with speculation that Durham couldn’t prove in court.

That’s not to say that the day was completely pointless. Durham confirmed under Democratic questioning that current Attorney General Merrick Garland didn’t interfere with his investigation or tell him that any potential targets were off-limits. He admitted that the reason that former President Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton still walk free, no matter how much Trumpworld wants them behind bars, is that there’s simply no evidence of wrongdoing. Likewise, none of the three individuals he did prosecute, two of whom were acquitted, were accused of taking part in a supposed “deep state” plot to take down Trump. It’s a far cry from when the former president was promising that Durham’s probe would reveal “the crime of the century.”

Instead, Durham said in his opening statement that his report “should not be read to suggest in any way that Russian election interference was not a threat; it was.” And when it came to Mueller himself, Durham didn’t hold back in his praise. “Our object, our aim, was not to dispute Director Mueller,” Durham said. “I have the greatest regard, the highest regard for Director Mueller. He is a patriot.” That’s again not what Trump’s most ardent devotees would like to hear coming from the man who they expected to expose Mueller’s role in the “witch hunt” against Trump.

But Durham seemed shockingly unprepared to discuss Mueller’s actual work and findings under questioning. He also appeared to be blissfully unaware of the way that Trump frequently utilized the material released by the Russians who stole emails from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign. “I don’t really read the newspapers or listen to the news,” Durham said when confronted with the fact that the Russian interference was meant to help then-candidate Trump.

In the end, Wednesday’s hearing offered little fodder for sound bites to rile up the GOP base. The lack of recommendations from Durham beyond what the FBI has already done makes it harder to use him in Trump’s ongoing war on the Justice Department for which he has drafted Republicans into fighting. Durham even rejected the idea that Republicans should move to defund the Justice Department and the FBI. And his willingness to admit that there was Russian interference in 2016 means that he has likely outlived his usefulness to Trump.

Towards the end of Durham's testimony, Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., channeled the most diehard MAGA supporters, who had been promised for years now that the special counsel would strike a blow against Trump's enemies. "When you are part of the cover-up, Mr. Durham, then it makes our job harder," Gaetz declared, affecting an air of righteous disappointment.

But that’s not to say that Durham's name won’t be thrown around over the coming months and years anyway. He surely will remain a touchstone for those who never read a word he wrote but are sure that he fully vindicated Trump in the process. For the MAGA movement, John Durham was always more useful as a vessel for whatever conspiracy needed a kernel of truth than as an actual investigator.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/john-durham-report-hearing-testimony-trump-rcna90392


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God that's hilarious on so many levels.

Even on this very board the Durham report was **ASSUMED** to be brilliant GOTCHA moment for the Deep State and weaponizing of the FBI and how it was a political puppet for the Dems.... they said that because that's what their Right Wing source told them it was.

If anyone had ANY doubt that was absolutely NOT the case - read what Gaetz just said:

Towards the end of Durham's testimony, Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., channeled the most diehard MAGA supporters, who had been promised for years now that the special counsel would strike a blow against Trump's enemies. "When you are part of the cover-up, Mr. Durham, then it makes our job harder," Gaetz declared, affecting an air of righteous disappointment.

Sure - both parties are bad. Sure most politicans are in it for themselves. Sure they both talk a better game than they play. . . . but both parties are NOT as bad as each other. Biden and Hunter are NOT (as yet) as bad as Trump and his cronies. The Durham Report is nothing like the Mueller Report. So many fake and false equivelents get thrown around.

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Civil war in the GOP, damn, these folks sure know how to win elections. PS- interesting sidebar- Kendra Kingsbury, ex-FBI intel person- sentenced to almost FOUR years in prison for SECRET level intel in her bathroom. Trump had two level higher secrets- SCI and TOP Secret intel in his bathroom----wonder how Republicans will justify his leadership when little people go to PRISON and their boy seeks---not guilty, pardon, home detention---imagine Trump without "Truth Social", no Twitter, no Facebook, no Fox News----he'd be an empty shell.


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Moms for Liberty chapter apologizes for quoting Hitler in newsletter

The Hamilton County chapter of Moms for Liberty in Indiana placed the quote on the front page of its new newsletter.

A local Indiana chapter of Moms for Liberty, a national conservative parents organization, apologized on Thursday for quoting Adolf Hitler in a newsletter.

The Hamilton County chapter of Moms for Liberty quoted Hitler's remarks at a 1935 rally on the front page of its new newsletter on Wednesday. The quote, placed directly below the masthead, read: "He alone, who OWNS the youth, GAINS the future.”

After the Indianapolis Star first reported this story on Wednesday, the local chapter of Moms for Liberty added additional "context" to the original newsletter, saying the quote from this "horrific leader should put parents on alert."

"If the government has control over our children today, they control our country’s future," the note read.

A day later, Paige Miller, the chapter's leader, apologized for quoting the Nazi leader in a statement posted to the Moms for Liberty Facebook group.

“We condemn Adolf Hitler’s actions and his dark place in human history,” Miller wrote. “We should not have quoted him in our newsletter and express our deepest apology.”

The four administrators of the chapter's Facebook group did not immediately respond to NBC News' requests for comment.

A bipartisan chorus of local politicians condemned the group's quoting of Hitler, who led the systematic genocide of at least 6 million Jewish people, along with other groups.

Matt McNally, a Democrat running for Indiana's 39th Congressional District, said the group's move makes clear that Moms for Liberty has "no business" in politics.

"No group that quotes Nazis should be anywhere near our children or have any influence in our community," McNally tweeted. "It is time for our community leaders to stop acquiescing to them and make clear that their hateful rhetoric will not be tolerated."

Mario Massillamany, the chairman of the Hamilton County Republican Party, also condemned the inclusion of the quote in an interview with the Indianapolis Star and described the Holocaust as a "terrible page" in history.

"I don’t think that we as a society can say enough about the atrocities that the poor Jewish people had to go through," Massillamany said.

After forming a little more than two years ago, Moms for Liberty has grown to include 285 chapters in 44 states, according to the organization, and it has targeted core cultural issues to fuel its rise — including opposing mask mandates in schools, banning library books that mention sexual orientation and gender identity, and curtailing classroom lessons on racial inequity and discrimination.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...GA1OEiCN0wnjY8lw8x7i8j-zBCAWT9h0ldNn6m74

Hopefully this will help people fully understand who they're supporting and who they are actually dealing with when it comes to preventing our nation's children learn the true history of our nation and to learn tolerance for people who are different than themselves.


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