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If you think about it, there probably are shades of grey with this statement.

I think the FBI brass would want the proverbial smoking gun to look into Joe Biden.

They probably did not find anything in Hunter Biden that tied a smoking gun transfer to Joe Biden.

So the FBI said there was no reason to go there.

The Whistleblower may have wanted to dig into Joe, but the evidence to go there may have not been there.

So the Whistleblower may be correct that he was not permitted to look into Joe Biden, and the FBI is position not to look into Joe Biden unless there was clear evidence to do so has merit.

Digging beyond the publicly available Joe Biden tax information raise a bunch of questions. The whistleblower may have wanted to go there, but the evidence to do so was not there.


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Originally Posted by Damanshot
Is this whistleblower the one that is scheduled to testify next week in front of one of the house committees?

The IRS whistleblower is a different person from the GOP whistleblower that disappeared and has been indicted by the FBI.


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So the confidence starting falling right after Watergate came out and you think that didn't have a lot to do with it? Come on man.


Did you even click on the link? Confidence started falling in 64. It was down almost 25% before watergate happened.

The chief trump brigadier speaks. Dude, you and peen need to take a good close look at the graph. Besides, anyone can make a graph look the way they want. Anyways notice how when a Goper is in office it drops and when Clinton was in office it rose to levels nearly as before Watergate. Then with Bush 2 it lowers to new levels and with Obama, well nobody on the right trusts a black man unless he’s on the SCOTUS, and with trump it bottoms out. Lol Pffft Goper’s blaming current Admins for their own dirty deeds as usual. Y’all are the reason we can’t have nice things anymore.


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I think you are grasping at straws here. When was it the public even became aware of the things you mentioned? For one when it comes to lying about war that happened with the leak of the Pentagon Papers in 1971. And yes I did mention Watergate. But that's not all and it wasn't just Republicans. When the public found out about "the lies of war" didn't happen in the 1960's. Let's look at the short timeline of when the public found out so much with actual evidence that made the erosion of the trust in government accelerate shall we?

The Pentagon Papers were released on June 13th 1971

Watergate hit the press on June 19th, 1972

These were events that the public was presented with actual factual evidence that the government had covered up, lied and misled them directly. These two events happened within a year of each other almost to the day. Now you certainly can say that the erosion of faith in the government happened earlier. What nobody should be able to say with a straight face is that anything with the magnitude of these two events had ever been presented to the public before this or was the catalyst for the mistrust of our government on anything close to this scale. It's virtually undeniable. For at least most rational thinking people.

I am however not very good at revisionist history as you present it.


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Anyways notice how when a Goper is in office it drops and when Clinton was in office it rose to levels nearly as before Watergate.

Wrong again. Government trust was at 53% just before watergate broke. The only time the number has broken 50% since was after 9/11. Notable highpoints were 40% under Ford, 49% for Reagan, 47% for Bush I, 40% for Clinton, 60% for Bush II. Clearly you need to go back to first grade and learn how greater than and less than work. Spiral making up his own facts. Pffft.


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And yet October of 1965 under Kennedy/Johnson it was at a high of 77% and fell to 62% in October of 1968. A total drop of 15%. However in the Nixon/Ford administrations it went from 62% from October of 1968 to a low of 27% in March of 1980. A drop of 35%. Under W. it went from a high of 54% in October of 1981 to a low of 24% in October of 2008. A drop of 30%.

The two largest drops of trust in the federal government happened during GOP presidential terms and it's not even close.


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Can I just ask a general question: Why all the pffft? It's not like I'm going to see someone write "pffft" and then think "Oh damn, he made a good point. Maybe I need to reconsider now that he said 'pfft'."

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
And yet October of 1965 under Kennedy/Johnson it was at a high of 77% and fell to 62% in October of 1968. A total drop of 15%. However in the Nixon/Ford administrations it went from 62% from October of 1968 to a low of 27% in March of 1980. A drop of 35%. Under W. it went from a high of 54% in October of 1981 to a low of 24% in October of 2008. A drop of 30%.

The two largest drops of trust in the federal government happened during GOP presidential terms and it's not even close.

Correction. In the part about W. the beginning date should have been October of 2001, not October of 1981. 9/11 helped unite the nation but it all went downhill from there.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
And yet October of 1965 under Kennedy/Johnson it was at a high of 77% and fell to 62% in October of 1968. A total drop of 15%. However in the Nixon/Ford administrations it went from 62% from October of 1968 to a low of 27% in March of 1980. A drop of 35%. Under W. it went from a high of 54% in October of 1981 to a low of 24% in October of 2008. A drop of 30%.

The two largest drops of trust in the federal government happened during GOP presidential terms and it's not even close.

Again, I already said it isn't about the President or political parties, yet in an effort to sound like you know what you are talking about, you turn it in to such. My only point is the continued decline in government trust.

You are right and everybody else is wrong...we get it.


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
Can I just ask a general question: Why all the pffft? It's not like I'm going to see someone write "pffft" and then think "Oh damn, he made a good point. Maybe I need to reconsider now that he said 'pfft'."

I agree. I just do it when making reply to Papa Doc since that is about all he says..


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The actual disclosure of The Pentagon Papers and Watergate were a direct impact on the greatest downturn in public trust during an eight year period of time when a single party controlled The White House. Then to add insult to injury Ford pardoned Nixon further eroding that trust. And the second highest drop in trust of the federal government happened when the American people found out they had been lied to about Iraq having WMD as a cause for war.

Your assertion is that those events weren't the driving force behind it. So it appears you don't believe that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. During those two eight year periods, there was a total drop of trust in our federal government of 65%. Yet you claim their actions and what was shown to the American people had nothing to do with it? Damn man.....


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I wasn't trying to single you out. It's honestly more to him (assuming you're talking about Perfect Spiral) than anyone else.


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If you can’t see how Goper policies just make it hard for the rest of US to exist in peace.. I feel sorry for you. And get over it. Pffft it’s no wonder government trust is still near an all time low. Goper policies! Look at the graph under trump….lol an all time low as it got. Sorry about trump and his brigade falling from grace.


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I get that trolling is your thing, and always has been. To me, that's a sign of weakness, but you do you.

Your response does not answer the question, though. My question is asking how "Pffft" adds value to the conversation. You responded with an inference to my inability to see how Goper policies make it hard for the rest of "US" to just exist in peace. That's baseless and entirely off the mark. This will sound like gloating, but I honestly don't care, at this point. I actually think that I have been far more effective at addressing and formulating provocative change of thought on ineffective or corrupt GOP policies on this board than you have.

Like I said, you can act like an adult or act like a child. That's totally up to you. I think I just fail to see the point of what acting like a child will accomplish, hence the original question. I also don't understand trolling, either, but hey, spend your spare time however you feel.

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Ok lol. You called me out. Who’s the troll now. Pfft. If you can’t see how Goper policies make it more dangerous for all of us. Just look how they interpret the 2nd as a god given right for any ole lunatic to get his hand on a AR. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

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General Question, what day is the IRS whistleblower scheduled to testify?


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I think you are grasping at straws here. When was it the public even became aware of the things you mentioned? For one when it comes to lying about war that happened with the leak of the Pentagon Papers in 1971. And yes I did mention Watergate. But that's not all and it wasn't just Republicans. When the public found out about "the lies of war" didn't happen in the 1960's. Let's look at the short timeline of when the public found out so much with actual evidence that made the erosion of the trust in government accelerate shall we?

The Pentagon Papers were released on June 13th 1971

Watergate hit the press on June 19th, 1972

These were events that the public was presented with actual factual evidence that the government had covered up, lied and misled them directly. These two events happened within a year of each other almost to the day. Now you certainly can say that the erosion of faith in the government happened earlier. What nobody should be able to say with a straight face is that anything with the magnitude of these two events had ever been presented to the public before this or was the catalyst for the mistrust of our government on anything close to this scale. It's virtually undeniable. For at least most rational thinking people.

I am however not very good at revisionist history as you present it.

The pentagon papers weren't a Nixon problem. He just happened to be there when they were leaked. They show the systemic covering of the issues in Vietnam. They went back to Truman sending funds to France to help them fight their war. So the point at which the people found out was simply a Nixon problem. It spanned back several Presidents.

Take Agent Orange. We started using that crap in the early 60's. The standard comment was that stuff won't actually hurt people, it just knocks the foliage off of plants. LOL...hey, as long as you don't have leaves growing from you, you're good.


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I know what the pentagon papers were. As I said earlier when you tried to accuse me of blaming only Republicans that it wasn't just about Republicans. The Pentagon papers were an example of that.


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Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Wednesday this week.

OK, so the IRS whistleblowers testified... What happened? Did they expose the Bidens and prove they were a Criminal Family?


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Thus far it's nothing more than a he said/she said thing.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Thus far it's nothing more than a he said/she said thing.


Maybe it's just me, but if you are going to make claims severe enough to require a congressional hearing, shouldn't your star witnesses be able seal the deal? Isn't this just another waste of time?


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I don't know. I'm not one willing to dismiss it off hand nor one to claim they're right. If you're speaking about a court of law I would certainly agree with you. You should have a substantial amount of evidence with which to base charges on. But even then I think one has to consider that it takes an investigation to come to a conclusion of whether enough evidence is there or not. That describes more of what this is. An investigation.

Naturally there is a lot of political theater involved which I'm not a fan of. But it's not as political theater restricted to one party. The only actual problem I have in the overall picture of things is that the Republican controlled House seems to have some sort of tangent to investigate anything and everything that has a D behind it no matter how trivial or no matter how much BS they have to manufacture to do so.

Maybe that's what their voters elected them to do though I doubt that view is shared among all of their voters. But if so what a petty bunch of people.


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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...resident-Joe-Biden-protect-problems.html

Here's the evidence. Lock them up. Everyone involved in the coverup should be fired and prosecuted.

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From your source....

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claims by a confidential human source alleging

There's no accounting for what people claim to be evidence these days.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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claims by a confidential human source alleging

There's no accounting for what people claim to be evidence these days.

Are you saying the fbi documents are fake?

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Did you bother to read what was in the document? Because all it says is somebody told this story to a person working for the FBI. There is nothing to corroborate those statements. The document may be totally accurate. But all it says is somebody told that story. There is nothing to back up the claims that were made by a single individual of whom they can't produce as a witness.

The phantom informant.....

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“Well, unfortunately we can’t track down the informant. We are hopeful the informant is still there,” Comer said, as he described his committee’s demand that the FBI give the committee an internal investigation note, known as an FD-1023, that Comer says contains an allegation of wrongdoing by Joe Biden when he was Vice President.

https://time.com/6279945/comer-biden-lost-informant/


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Over $17MILLION has been funneled from foreign sources to the Biden family, confirms IRS whistleblower

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-family-confirms-IRS-Whistleblower.html

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If they had anything, they would file impeachment, they have nothing but lies and misinformation. EVERYTHING THEY DO IS TO AVENGE TRUMP for being prosecuted for CLEAR CRIMINALITY. Fascist dupes. I’ll be glad when Trump is dead, along with his poisonous lies.

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Hunter needed the money to support his habit, just like Eric, Don Jr., ivanka and Tiffany. Cashing in on Dads name is nothing new.

Biden family is not Joe.


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Joe Biden got paid 5 million for bribes. Hunter got the other 5 million. Lock them up.

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You know nothing of value and prove it every damn time you open your mouth. But you knew that already, or you didn’t…

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One day youre going to give yourself a stroke being so hateful.

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Nope.

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Yep. Dead. And Trump will have the last laugh.

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There you go again.

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Dont stroke out.

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If laughing at you causes a stroke, well at least I’ll go out laughing.

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Originally Posted by EveDawg
One day youre going to give yourself a stroke being so hateful.

Pot calling the kettle black there.

rofl

At least you managed to post that without using libtard.

Sadly you still believe everything Republicans say even when they lack the evidence to back it up.

But I mean hey, with all the evidence they have on Joe Biden he's already been indicted twice and it looks like he is about to be indicted a third time. Oh no wait, that isn't Joe Biden is it? It looks like that may be the guy who will get locked up.


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Originally Posted by EveDawg
Yep. Dead. And Trump will have the last laugh.

rofl

10k comedians out of work and you're on here trying to be funny.


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