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No Pit, I don't need his testimony to determine whether Biden had knowledge of his son's business dealings. Mostly because I'm not as dumb as a box of rocks. You've been running around for months, like a kid with his fingers in his ears, pointing out every angle that still gives a glimmer of a .0000001% chance Joe is clean.

Yet Joe was the one in Ukraine SEVEN YEARS AGO urging for the government to fire their top prosecutor who was investigating the gas company Burisma, and allegedly, Hunter. He was fired an hour later and the checks kept rolling in.

All these stories have been buried for years until the crackhead left his laptop behind.

Anybody can string this together and see the truth as light as day. Those that don't, are in denial.

How long are you going to continue to ignore that all of our EU partners wanted this guy gone as well? How long are you going to ignore that they all applauded him being the one to accomplish that? The facts about that have been shown over and over again but the GOP never misses a chance to make up a good conspiracy.

So is the witness that testified yesterday credible or not to you? Or as per usual are you deciding in your own mind to accept the part of his testimony you want to believe and dismissing the part of his testimony you don't want to believe?

Because that's certainly what you're doing in the wild claim that "The reason Joe Biden helped get the prosecutor fired in Ukraine was to cover for Hunter Biden." there's zero evidence that is true. Only you and others desire to believe it.

EU hails sacking of Ukraine’s prosecutor Viktor Shokin

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...ine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190

Envoys pushed to oust Ukraine prosecutor before Biden

EU and US officials dispute Trump’s claim former vice-president acted to protect son

https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

The truth is easily found for anyone willing to look for it. You do realize you are continuing to support a conspiracy that trump made up, right? And there's no actual evidence to support it.

Biden's influence peddling and corrupt web of lies, shell companies, and millions of money to his family is still a Trump conspiracy theory?



Like I said before, you and your ilk would argue DNA evidence.

“Truly stunning”: Republican admits hyped Biden witness “didn’t know anything” about alleged bribe
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Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., acknowledged that the Republicans' widely-hyped witness in their probe of the Biden family's business dealings "didn't know anything" about unverified allegations that President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden had accepted millions in bribes.

House Oversight Chairman James Comer, R-Ky., and fellow Republicans had hyped a closed-door session with former Hunter Biden business partner Devon Archer as part of their growing Biden probe that has yielded no actual proof.

Archer during the nearly five-hour testimony said that President Biden was not party to any of his son's business deals and that Hunter had merely tried to sell the illusion that he was providing access to his father, Democrats on the panel said according to The New York Times.

Archer also said President Biden met and spoke with his son's international business associates several times as Hunter Biden tried to boost his business but did not discuss any business. He said Hunter Biden put his father on speakerphone to talk to business partners about 20 times over a decade, members of the panel told the Times.

Comer said that Archer testified that President Biden was put on the phone to sell the family "brand."

"Devon Archer's testimony today confirms Joe Biden lied to the American people when he said he had no knowledge about his son's business dealings and was not involved," Comer said in a statement.

The Times noted that Archer's testimony also underscored that Biden falsely claimed during the 2020 campaign that no one in his family received money from China even though Hunter and his business partners received millions from a Chinese firm. He also repeatedly claimed in 2019 that he had "never discussed" his son's business dealings.

Legal experts were unimpressed with the findings.

"That's the best they got?" tweeted national security attorney Bradley Moss.

Democrats on the panel say Archer testified that President Biden's interactions were brief and casual and focused on topics like the weather.

Archer "was unequivocal and stated very clearly that they never discussed any business on that phone conversations that were niceties. And there was a hello. And there was talk about the weather or whatever it was, but it was never any business," Rep. Dan Goldman, D-N.Y., told reporters.

Goldman added that Archer testified that Biden spoke to his son frequently after his other son Beau died in 2015.

"The witness describes in vivid detail about how devastating that was to both Hunter Biden and to Joe Biden, and how their communications picked up dramatically in the aftermath," he said. "Because Joe Biden was calling his son to check on him and Hunter Biden was calling his dad to check on him. It had nothing to do with business. And that is the sum and substance of what the testimony was."

Goldman also said that Archer "categorically" denied the Republicans' bribe allegation.

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That did not stop Republicans from using the testimony to push for an impeachment inquiry into President Biden.

"When Congress moved toward impeachment with Richard Nixon, it was because they had proof that Richard Nixon lied," Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., said after the interview. "When Congress moved toward to impeachment with Bill Clinton, it was because they had proof that Bill Clinton had lied about sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. Today, with Devon Archer's testimony, we have proof that Joe Biden has lied."

But the White House fired back, arguing that the GOP's own witness had debunked their core allegations.

"It appears that the House Republicans' own much-hyped witness today testified that he never heard of President Biden discussing business with his son or his son's associates, or doing anything wrong," White House spokesman Ian Sams said in a statement to Mediaite. "House Republicans keep promising bombshell evidence to support their ridiculous attacks against the President, but time after time, they keep failing to produce any. In fact, even their own witnesses appear to be debunking their allegations. Instead of continuing to waste time and resources on this evidence-free wild goose chase, House Republicans should drop these stunts and work with the President on the issues that actually impact Americans' daily lives, like continuing to lower costs, create jobs, and strengthen health care."

Goldman on Monday night said the investigation "needs to end now because what we're doing is badgering a private citizen, and there's no legitimate legislative purpose at all."

"It's truly stunning to me," he told CNN. "This is the taxpayer-funded defense and political arm of Donald Trump."



https://news.yahoo.com/truly-stunning-republican-admits-hyped-124853436.html

There is no "corrupt web of lies" or influence peddling. The only evidence I've seen of these shell companies is something the GOP made up on a piece of paper showing lines connecting things without any actual evidence to support it.

So far the GOP has tried to make an aha moment out of some supposed audio tape an informant told an FBI agent about. They nor the agent ever saw it or heard it. Now they "can't find the guy". When pressed they had to admit there was no actual evidence the tape actually exists. Yesterday they brought in some witness getting ready to enter prison for two felonies for his role in a conspiracy to defraud a Native American tribe.

Once again, you keep spouting things with no evidence to support what you're saying. Has Gym Jordan been coaching you?

Uh oh! He went and did it now! Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz will now be accused of being part of the Republican party members and appointees that have joined the cabal out to get trump. That list just keeps growing!

Well I'm sorry you are in such a state. Thoughts and prayers.

Biden spoke with son's business associates numerous times, former partner tells lawmakers

Rep. Daniel Goldman said Devon Archer told lawmakers that Hunter Biden put his father on speakerphone with business partners and others about 20 times over 10 years, but they didn't talk business.

A former business partner of Hunter Biden testified that the president's son used the Biden "brand" to his advantage while working for Ukrainian energy company Burisma, according to lawmakers who were present during Monday's closed-door questioning.

Devon Archer, 49, answered questions for about four hours during a transcribed interview before the Republican-led House Oversight Committee, at one point telling members that Biden put his father on speakerphone during business meetings about 20 times, but not to talk to business, lawmakers said.

“The witness indicated that Hunter spoke to his father every day, and approximately 20 times over the course of 10-year relationship, Hunter may have put his father on the phone with any number of different people, and they never once spoke about any business dealings,” Rep. Dan Goldman, D-N.Y., told reporters after the closed-door meeting. He said that included times when Hunter Biden was with friends, and times when he was with "potential business partners or business partners.”

“As he described it, it was all casual conversation, niceties, the weather, what’s going on. There wasn’t a single conversation about any of the business dealings that Hunter had,” Goldman added.

The committee’s chair, Rep. James Comer, R-Ky., said Archer testified that Joe Biden "joined Hunter Biden’s dinners with his foreign business associates in person or by speakerphone over 20 times" and was put on the phone to sell “the brand.”

Comer said the testimony shows “Joe Biden lied to the American people when he said he had no knowledge about his son’s business dealings and was not involved. Joe Biden was ‘the brand’ that his son sold around the world to enrich the Biden family.”

Goldman said Archer at one point testified that the “brand” he was referring to was "Hunter’s own experience as a lobbyist and a lawyer in Washington, D.C. combined with the Biden name, which is of course no different than the Trump name or the Clinton name or any other big political family name.”

The committee has been investigating foreign payments to members of the Biden family during and after his time as vice president in the Obama administration. Republican lawmakers have alleged that Biden was involved in his son's business dealings, which the White House has denied.

Goldman said Archer "stated unequivocally" that "there is no evidence in his possession or his knowledge that Joe Biden ever discussed business with Hunter Biden, Joe Biden ever did anything on behalf of Hunter Biden’s business interests or otherwise, never changed official policy in any way, shape or form."

He also said that Archer told the panel that Biden felt he had to give his employers "the illusion of access to his father."

Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., said Archer told the panel he didn't know anything about an alleged $5 million bribe to the family that a Burisma executive had mentioned to an FBI informant.

Biggs, however, said he still believes the president is compromised and told reporters, "I think we should do an impeachment inquiry."

Goldman called Biggs' assertion that Biden is compromised "completely absurd."

"The witness repeated over and over and over again that President Biden never discussed any business dealings of Hunter’s with Hunter or anyone else. He repeated over and over again that he never did anything in consideration, official policy or otherwise, in consideration of whatever Hunter’s business interests were. So I have a lot of respect for Congressman Biggs, but that’s just a flat out lie."

Attorneys for Hunter Biden have not commented on Archer's testimony.

Ian Sams, a spokesperson for the White House counsel’s office, said in a statement that “House Republicans’ own much-hyped witness today testified that he never heard of President Biden discussing business with his son or his son’s associates, or doing anything wrong. House Republicans keep promising bombshell evidence to support their ridiculous attacks against the President, but time after time, they keep failing to produce any. In fact, even their own witnesses appear to be debunking their allegations.”

Archer was convicted of securities fraud and conspiracy involving a different company in June of 2018. A New York federal court judge sentenced him to a year and a day in prison last year, but stayed the sentence pending an appeal. The federal appeals court denied his bid last week.

Federal prosecutors who brought the case recently asked the judge overseeing the case to set a sentencing date, prompting some conservatives to claim that the Justice Department was trying to intimidate Archer ahead of Monday's congressional testimony.

The same prosecutors, in a court filing Sunday night, said: "To be clear, the Government does not request (and has never requested) that the defendant surrender before his Congressional testimony.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...erous-former-partner-tells-law-rcna97410

There is a difference between unethical and illegal. Just ask Trump who is finding out the hard way what the difference is.

So the star witness comes in and says, ”Joe Biden did nothing wrong.” Since when does congress get involved with cases like this? I’m happy about it honestly, because Jared and Bunny got some splaining to do too.

LMFAO@GOPers and this thread.

It was more a joke than anything (Biden's dementia). My overall point is if there's something there, then go and find out and start enforcing accountability. Failing to enforce accountability before is no reason to pass on it now.

It won't stop Trump/Trump Goonies claiming otherwise. It'll still the Deep State covering up.

Whatever Trump Senior and Junior are / are not guilty of - I hope we get to the truth and prosecute the hell out of them if they broke laws.

Funny stuff. Jordan and Comer lied. Big Surprise

https://apnews.com/article/hunter-b...-archer-16bab963461fe48ee3baccc51e693c9c

So, they have a 5 hour interview with Archer.. In which he states he knows of no time that Biden did anything.

Yet, Comer and Jordan and other parrots on the Right are saying he confirmed Bidens actions.

Oh my.. Why would they lie. Don't they know that the transcript would come out. Maybe they hoped people wouldn't read it.

They lie because the people they are targeting with those lies believe every word they say. They don't question them. They don't look at the actual testimony nor do they really care about the truth. Instead they're more than willing to believe anything that people like Comer and Jordan say because they are saying the things they want to hear.

Confirmation bias

Confirmation bias is the tendency to search, interpret, and recall information in a way that aligns with our pre-existing values, opinions, or beliefs. It refers to the ability to recollect information best when it amplifies what we already believe.

When I was a kid we all knew exactly what that was, we called it. “Brainwashing” So telling grown men and women they are now brainwashed is going to be sad news for them.

I think that situation is a two way street to at least some extent. I don't believe it's restricted exclusively to republicans. But I will say with this entire trump thing and some need to do anything to make false allegations against Bident has been ratcheted up to a level unlike anything I've ever seen. And I never in my life thought I would see millions of patriotic Americans put a man like trump before America and the future of our democracy. But here we are...

Why is it that when it’s time to testify, the GOP’s witnesses constantly tell us a different story than what they claimed prior?

At some point, the GOP is gonna have to vet their henchmen a lot better than they have if they hope to actually do any damage.

I’m just looking at this from a pure political strategy standpoint, which sucks cause the GOP routinely shows us that they have none.

I didn’t mean for it sound as if it can’t happen to anyone. But yeah here we are watching a certain percentage of Goper’s happy to pin their every hope on a wanna be Dr. evil dictator.

I think the pure political perspective is that getting ANY claims of any kind broadcast by the right wing media is a win for the Trumpians. The Trumpian fan base simply believes what they hear the first (second, 3rd, 4th and 12th time - because the right wong media orchestrate it this way)..... A week or so later when the claims are provably false. Provably frivilous or invented. Provably unsubstantiated .... it no longer matters. The Trump supporters believe it to be true "no matter what".

There's some orchastation by the left wing media too. They also rely on "sources" and have spun stories that were eronious or flat propaganda. Yes - for sure. But from where I sit - the right wing media does it on steroids.

5 takeaways from Devon Archer’s interview with House Oversight

The House Oversight Committee on Thursday released the transcript of Devon Archer’s closed-door testimony, offering insight into the business dealings of his former business associate, Hunter Biden, and an eye into the GOP investigation of the Biden family.

Archer sat for a transcribed interview before the Oversight panel Monday, after which lawmakers on each side of the aisle offered conflicting interpretations of his testimony as observers awaited the release of the transcript.

The clashing narratives continued on Thursday, with the Republicans on the committee saying the testimony from Archer — who they view as a key witness in their probe — “confirmed several critical pieces of information in our investigation of the Bidens’ influence peddling schemes,” while the top Democrat on the panel said the interview “failed to produce any evidence of wrongdoing by President Biden.”

According to the transcript, Archer testified that Hunter Biden put his father, then the vice president, on speakerphone during some meetings with associates, and the interview covered the Biden “brand” at length, but Archer said he was not aware of President Biden committing any wrongdoing.

Abbe Lowell, counsel for Hunter Biden, in a statement this week said House Republicans “keep swinging and keep striking out” on their pursuit of President Biden through his son.

The release of the testimony was, nonetheless, a notable development in the House GOP’s probe, which for months has sought to connect President Biden to his son’s business dealings — especially as Republicans eye an impeachment inquiry targeting the White House.

Here are five key takeaways from Archer’s interview.

Archer says he’s not aware of wrongdoing by President Biden

Archer said he had “no knowledge” of whether Biden altered any U.S. foreign policy while he was vice president to benefit his son.

When flat-out asked if he is aware of any wrongdoing by the then-vice president, Archer said, “No, I’m not aware of any.”

He also said he had no direct knowledge of the older Biden having any involvement with Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company Archer and Hunter Biden sat on the board of.

Archer said it’s “fair” to say that Hunter Biden was falsely giving the Burisma executives the impression that he had influence over U.S. policy — not that he was actually influencing any policy. He added that Hunter Biden never told him he could get his father to change policy and that he was not aware of him ever asking his father to do so.

Archer says he is not aware of bribes to Bidens

Archer couldn’t corroborate allegations that Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky made two $5 million payments to Hunter Biden and his father.

Republicans last month released an FBI form that contains an unverified tip that Biden, as vice president, was involved in a bribery scheme to benefit Burisma. The White House has denied any wrongdoing.

Rep. Dan Goldman (D-N.Y.) on Monday pressed Archer about a statement attributed to Zlochevsky, in which he allegedly said, “It costs five to pay one Biden and five to another.”

“Were you ever made aware of Mr. Zlochevsky paying $5 million to two different Bidens?” Goldman asked.

“No, I’m not. I would assume he’s probably talking about me and Hunter, but I don’t know. But I don’t know anything about those five,” Archer replied.

Archer also said he would disagree with the conclusion that then-Vice President Biden was bribed by Zlochevsky.

The tip in the FBI form rests on a years-long allegation that Biden, as vice president, threatened to withhold $1 billion in funding to Ukraine unless then-Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin was ousted. Burisma had been the subject of a probe by the prosecutor’s office.

But President Biden wasn’t alone — numerous U.S. and international officials called for Shokin’s removal over his failure to prosecute corruption.

Evidence has never been raised showing that Biden called for Shokin’s ouster to help his son, and Archer said he had no basis to believe that the then-vice president’s call for him to be removed was connected to Hunter Biden.

“I have no — I have no other — I have no proof or thought that that — that he fired him for that reason,” Archer testified.

Archer described frequent calls between the Bidens

Archer recalled that Hunter would sometimes put his father, then-Vice President Biden, on speakerphone during meetings.

Archer recalled “maybe 20 times” that Hunter Biden made it apparent to investors or other business contacts that he spoke to his dad and said he had occasionally placed his father on speakerphone.

Archer described the conversations he heard as “generally about the weather and, you know, what it’s like in Norway or Paris or wherever he may be.” He recalled one phone conversation Hunter Biden put his father on the phone for, with Chinese businessman Jonathan Li.

“Beijing, how great Beijing is — or Chengdu, whichever city we were in. But, you know, same answers — nonspecifics relative to business and just, you know, an expression of hellos, I guess,” he testified.

Archer described numerous periods of time during which Biden and Hunter Biden would speak every day, which is in line with the close family dynamic the Bidens have, and said the frequency of interactions between them increased when Hunter Biden’s brother, Beau Biden, died in 2015.

But, Archer said he never witnessed them discussing the substance of Hunter Biden’s business during those calls. Rather, he said, they spoke about Beau’s illness and coping.

When he would overhear the vice president and Hunter Biden talking on the phone, the conversations were “not related to commercial business, politics, that kind,” Archer said.

Archer describes the Biden “brand”

Archer said the Biden family’s “brand” provided value to Burisma.

At one point in his testimony, he said he did not consider the “brand” to be “Joe directly,” but noted that the then-vice president “brought the most value to the brand.”

Archer later said he thought “Burisma would have gone out of business if it didn’t have the brand attached to it.”

“But that’s different than Joe Biden’s action,” Goldman pressed him.

“Right,” Archer responded.

He said that he thinks having Hunter Biden on the board is why Burisma “was able to survive for as long as it did … just because of the brand.”

Asked by Goldman how that had an impact, Archer responded, “The capabilities to navigate D.C. that they were able to, you know, basically be in the news cycle.”

“And I think that preserved them from a, you know, from a longevity standpoint. That’s like my honest — that’s like really what I — that’s like how I think holistically,” he added.

Archer talks about two Cafe Milano dinners

Archer spoke to the committee about two dinners that then-vice president Joe Biden attended at Cafe Milano in Washington: one in 2014 and one in 2015 — both during the Obama administration.

After the 2014 dinner, he recalled a wire transfer of $142,300 from Kenes Rakishev, a Kazakh businessman, to the Rosemont Seneca Bohai account for “an expensive car” for Hunter Biden. Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC was the private equity firm controlled by Archer at the time.

The 2015 dinner centered on the World Food Program, and then-vice president Biden made an appearance at it. Archer described it as “just a regular dinner where there was a table of conversation,” and he denied that Hunter Biden or business associates talked about business at the dinner.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...9RPrOBs6KqI9UPgXz8-jSO3jiu-oRBtm_UX0yuJI

Well said. You beat me to it.

And if you keep repeating the same info-even if they are bold faced lies, a certain % is going to believe it, especially if it fits their narrative.

Why is it that even this week, there are still 69% of republicans that think that Biden did not win the election fairly.
That 50% of republicans think that trump didn't take documents, he was allowed to have documents-they were planted. I guess now the lie on some fronts is that there are not even any documents at mar a lago

They are going to try to milk that cow even though it is a bull...

They don't have anything else.

To a degree, I think we are all guilty of some of that.

I've never been one that thought Federal Trials should be televised. Never thought it was a good idea. But this time, Yes.. EVERY Stinking word needs heard.

His supporters need to hear each charge presented with his lawyers trying to prove they aren't true. That's only because of the way that Trump himself has babbled on and on about how unfair this election was and how unfair the investigations are..

He says they are witch hunts. OK, let him prove it if he can. If he can. And let his supporters see him try and either prove it or be proven wrong. Let them see it.

We have got to end this, or at least try to end it. I am pretty sure that there are some diehards that won't see it. There will a ton of theories to throw shade at whatever is said

But we gotta try. Roughly half our population is lost. We won't get them all back into the fold. Be we gotta try

It’s how they lead the MAGA troglodytes. Tell a lie as truth the base wants to hear and know the trogs will simply do nothing to verify the info, yet they will spread the lie.

It appears they have proof Biden was taking bribes.

Now what happens?

Yep, a writer for Breitbart News has the scoop that nobody else has. You would think Gym Jordan, MTG and those other right wing nuts would be screaming this from the rooftops of it were true.

Here it is straight from the horse's mouth on the .gov website


Link


WASHINGTON—House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) today released a third bank records memorandum detailing new information obtained in the Committee’s investigation into the Biden family’s influence peddling schemes. The memorandum outlines how the Bidens and their business associates received millions from oligarchs in Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine during Joe Biden’s vice presidency. After Hunter Biden received millions of dollars in payments, then-Vice President Joe Biden dined with his son’s foreign associates in Washington, D.C. Devon Archer, Hunter Biden’s former business partner, recently testified that then-Vice President Joe Biden was “the brand” sold to enrich the Biden family and was used to send “signals” of access, power, and influence.


Below is a summary of the third bank records memorandum.

Committee Staff is Releasing Payments from Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine that Occurred During Joe Biden’s Vice Presidency: The Committee has now identified over $20 million in payments from foreign sources to the Biden family and their business associates.

Hunter Biden and Devon Archer Used Rosemont Seneca Entities to Bring in Millions from Oligarchs in Europe and Asia: Using accounts nominally tied to Devon Archer (but using the familiar “Rosemont Seneca” branding), Hunter Biden received incremental payments originating from foreign sources, attempting to hide the source and size of the payments.

In February 2014, a Russian Oligarch Sent $3.5 Million to a Shell Company Associated with Hunter Biden and Devon Archer: Russian billionaire Yelena Baturina transferred $3.5 million to Rosemont Seneca Thornton, a shell company. Approximately $1 million was transferred to Devon Archer, and the remainder was used to initially fund a new company account, Rosemont Seneca Bohai, which Devon Archer and Hunter Biden used to receive other foreign wires.

In Spring 2014, a Ukrainian Oligarch Placed Archer and Biden on the Burisma Board of Directors and Agreed to Pay them $1 Million Each per Year: Burisma Holdings’ (Burisma) corporate secretary, Vadym Pozharsky, worked on behalf of the Ukrainian oligarch and owner of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky. Hunter Biden was initially hired by Burisma to work as counsel for the company, and Pozharsky and Zlochevsky met with Hunter Biden at a conference in Lake Como in Italy where they decided Hunter Biden would work on the board of directors with Devon Archer. Then-Vice President Joe Biden visited Ukraine soon after their first payments. Payments from Burisma for both Devon Archer and Hunter Biden were wired to Rosemont Seneca Bohai. Payments were transmitted in incremental amounts to Hunter Biden’s different bank accounts.

In April 2014, a Kazakhstani Oligarch Wired the Exact Price of Biden’s Sportscar to a Bank Account Used by Archer and Biden: In February 2014, Hunter Biden met with Kenes Rakishev at a Washington, D.C. hotel. Rakishev worked closely with the prime minister of Kazakhstan, Karim Massimov. In April, Rakishev, a Kazakhstani oligarch, wired $142,300 to Rosemont Seneca Bohai. The next day, a payment was made from Rosemont Seneca Bohai for a sportscar for Hunter Biden in the amount of $142,300. Archer and Biden then arranged for Burisma executives to visit Kazakhstan in June 2014 to evaluate a three-way deal among Burisma, a Chinese state-owned company, and the government of Kazakhstan.
Hunter Biden received millions of dollars in payments from Yelena Baturina, Burisma, and Kenes Rakishev. Vice President Biden had dinner with them in the spring of 2014 and 2015 in Washington, D.C.


Bank Records:

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Bank-Records-Memo-3.16.23.pdf

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Bank-Memorandum-5.10.23.pdf

Timeline

The main points of interest are:

1) Romania: On September 28, 2015, Vice President Biden welcomed Romanian President Klaus Iohannis to the White House. Within five weeks of this meeting, a Romanian businessman involved with a high-profile corruption prosecution in Romania, Gabriel Popoviciu, began depositing a Biden associate’s bank account, which ultimately made their way into Biden family accounts. Popoviciu made sixteen of the seventeen payments, totaling over $3 million, to the Biden associate account while Joe Biden was Vice President. Biden family accounts ultimately received approximately $1.038 million. The total amount from Romania to Biden associates is over $3 million.

2) China- CEFC: On March 1, 2017—less than two months after Vice President Joe Biden left public office—State Energy HK Limited, a Chinese company, wired $3 million to a Biden associate’s account. This is the same bank account used in the above “Romania” section. After the Chinese company wired the Biden associate account the $3 million, the Biden family received approximately $1,065,692 over a three-month period in different bank accounts. Additionally, the CEFC Chairman gives Hunter Biden a diamond worth $80,000. Lastly, CEFC creates a joint venture with the Bidens in the summer of 2017. The timeline lays out the “WhatsApp” messages and subsequent wires from the Chinese to the Bidens of $100,000 and $5 million. The total amount from China, specifically with CEFC and their related entities, to Biden associates is over $8 million.

3) China- Bohai Harvest RST Equity Investment Fund Management Co., Ltd. (BHR): More information will be provided in our upcoming Third Bank Memorandum.

4) Kazakhstan: More information will be provided in our upcoming Third Bank Memorandum.

5) Ukraine: More information will be provided in our upcoming Third Bank Memorandum

No DNA evidence?

That glove is not gonna fit... not with this crowd, anyway.

Please remember this is stated by the oversight committee. What does a "a Biden associate" mean? How were and what association did they have? What is the "Biden business" that they claim the Bidens have together?

You can take some conclusion Comer and his committee has jumped to as being factual if you like. But please at the very least take these things into consideration and account before you do......

This is the very same committee that concluded and Comer made the claim they had some audio tape on Biden that was clear evidence and it would blow the lid off the entire thing. As it turns out it was nothing more than BS. Some informant told that to an FBI agent. Nobody actually ever saw or heard the tape and for some odd reason, suddenly nobody seemed to be able to locate that witness. Hmmmmm.... In the end even the people on the committee had to admit there was no actual evidence this audio tape ever existed.

Next it was Hunter's former business partner who was going to testify that Joe Biden was directly involved in Hunters business dealings. It was going to disclose all of their shady dealings. As it turns out Hunter's former business partner testified that he knew of nothing that involved Joe Biden with any business dealings.

That's the track record of Comer and the committee whose statement they have written in this instance. And that's exactly the same reaction people who support "getting Joe Biden" took before in the last two soap opera episodes this committee has written which both turned out to be false.

I've read the book about The Boy Who Cried Wolf. That same pattern has been seen with this committee. So while I'm certainly not saying they're wrong, I think anyone who looks at the bogus claims this committee has made thus far would understand they need to see how this evidence plays out, have it fact checked and verified before they take them at their word. I've seen how it's worked out for those who haven't to this point. But suit yourself.

Yes and the audio tape and Hunter's former business partner too! Oh, wait, never mind. How many times does Comer and this committee have to keep lying to you before you no longer take what they say at face value? But then they do talk about one being born every minute.

That's your point of view? This is all a 'big lie'?

Thus far I haven't seen any evidence that would verify the committee's claims. I've seen them drum up damning accusations that in the end has been shown to be totally lacking when thy present the evidence or lack there of as I have shown in my examples above.

My point of view is that none of us really know either way. The investigation has not been concluded as of yet. And yes, as cited in my two examples above, at least to this point in time, much of the wild accusations they have made turned out to be false or at the very least accusations they claimed of which they lacked the evidence to support.

So my point of view is let it play out and see where things end up. My point of view is that based on their track record to this point, as with most things political, don't take anything they say or claim at face value. Allow the process to play out. Fact check everything and don't claim victory until you win. Too many people get disappointed when they think their team has won the game before the third quarter has even ended.

Tactically-speaking, I don't think the Republicans are approaching this very well. If they have damning evidence on Biden, I think the better strategy would be to take the time and corroborate witness accusations to ensure the testimony logically flows. Additionally, I would think it would be better to also take the time to compile various points of corruption, as though they are trying to fall above the "beyond a reasonable doubt" threshold from the get-go. The way they are approaching things now is more "ready-fire-aim" which then segues into making it look like they are grasping straws and coming from a sour grapes angle over the Trump indictments and impeachments. I am not sure if they are under pressure to get the ball moving sooner, incompetent, just lying/twisting the truth, or some combination therein, but it has been a bad look.

Contrast that to the other investigations surrounding Trump, I think many people were frustrated that more was not done sooner, at least with the classified materials case and the election interference case, but you can see that the result of everything taking all this time has produced rather damning and corroborative evidence.

I think I agree with you and most others on this board that, if there is enough corroborative evidence, then prosecution should occur to the fullest extent of the law, but they have really been killing their own case, if they even have one.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Bank-Records-Memo-3.16.23.pdf

After the Chinese company wired Robinson Walker, LLC the $3 million, the Biden family received approximately $1,065,692 over a three-month period in different bank accounts.

After the Robinson Walker, LLC account received $3 million from State Energy HK Limited, Biden family members and their companies began receiving incremental payments over a period of approximately three months. The recipients of the money included Hallie Biden, companies associated with Hunter Biden and James Biden, and an unknown bank account identified as “Biden.”

Notably, EEIG, James Gilliar’s affiliated company, received almost the exact same amount— $1,065,000—on March 2, 2017. From the bank records, it appears that the Biden family received approximately one-third of the money obtained from the China wire.

The wire's dates and online banking transfers are listed in the memo.

Sounds a lot like the Deshaun Watson case.

So now all you need is something that connects these transactions as being intertwined. The fact that one person received money from place A and then some time later one third of it was paid to someone else at place B, in no way makes that money connected. Businesses receive money from different sources all the time and pay out money to other businesses and sources all the time without any of that being connected. Thus far all you have is a who shot John.

Not even close. Watson had identified accusers.

What Comer has been doing is rooting around for second and third hand associates that have at best hearsay evidence that links Hunter Biden to Joe, they generally wont come testify, and if they do, they have not said anything that would be problematic.

So any time Comer gets a lead, he goes public with it, and everything has fizzled out to date.

He is chicken little/the boy crying wolf. And an embarrassment.

Lol. Mostly just a joke, bro. Although the similarities reveal some colorful contrast in how Pitt has approached the cases. We watched him parade around saying "Twenty-two, twenty two, twenty-two!!" as if the sheer number should be more than enough for anyone to apply common sense to the situation. He was right, and most of us did. Different litmus test this time around.