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I agree...but we have a TON of depth at DE (and quality at that)...the other 5/7ths? Not so much.

Not if your head coach is holding them back with his in game decision making.

It is time to hit the PANIC button on the offense. August I2th.

it's the coaches and lack of attacking downfield and predictability slash seen it before playcalling.

The being too smart or unprepared for the game as it unfolds, for instance, if a turnover creates a new game situation
immediately the analytical system overheats
and they default back to autopilot and autopilot gets treated like a rented mule for four snaps and the other team gets the rock back.
Panic Button.

It is only 2 pre-season games, but we saw a couple of problems last preseason too and it carried over to the regular season. The D-line PK and WR's come to mind. This year it's depth, PK, and our redzone O. If our starters stay healthy all year and hardly ever need a rest than we're OK. That's highly unlikely. I think there is legitimate cause for some concern. Throw makes some good points.

I agree Mac. Conklin is on his last legs

the good news is his mistakes are mental and very fixable

What I can’t fathom is this is an understatement.

It’s preseason…it’s the same thing EVERY YEAR with just a couple changes (I.e. rule changes, how offenses/defenses adjust from the previous year, etc) from the previous year.

Things I expect yearly, and still can’t figure out why it gets said:

- complaining the starting QB doesn’t get enough pre-season reps.

- complaining about the offense play calls (at the goal line, going for it / running certain plays on certain downs).

- how different units suck when it comes to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc string players.

- complaints about the staff, FO, and SKI over a pre-season game, lol.


“complaining about the offense play calls (at the goal line, going for it / running certain plays on certain downs).”

It’s the preseason, you don’t give out tendencies in the PRESEASON. We don’t even have our full starters out there. I’m sure in a regular season game, Kelly or Felton are going to be out there running it in our goal line packages..

It’s a glorified scrimmage, Ski is trying different play calls - see how players, different personnel execute the plays. I’m sure they are evaluating how some personnel work with each other in case of injuries and etc. Ski isn’t haven’t any sleepless nights over his pre-season play calling, lol.

j/c...

Look...pre-season could be - and should be - meaningless as far as critiquing the play and the coaching...but for us, it never seems to be so. FWIW, I'm not attacking you, just responding as to why I post critical comments in the PS.

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DTR in his two preseason games:

🔸 90.2 PFF Grade
🔸 231 total yards
🔸 2 TDs
🔸 134.9 passer rating

The Browns found a stud in the 5th round

DTR has really impressed. You can just tell that he has an IT factor. Not sure he can be a consistent enough passer, but I'll take him over Mond or Hobbs any day

We may have found a QB for the future in DTR although looking 4 years down the road could be a little bit of a reach!!

I'm glad the Browns got DTR and not Will Levis, DTR is more like Lamar Jackson in his play and that gives defenses heartaches.
and,
@uarterback rushing TD's have become a staple of every NFL week's lineup of games,

It is prob the same level of competition he saw in college- something that was comfy for him at this point. I'm very interested in seeing him against 2's. Perhaps a series or two against 1's. Larger sample size will give a better picture, but for now- that pic looks sweet.


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Will Levis wasn't my cup of tea either. I think DTR will fit really nicely with our offense (and maybe even add a wrinkle or two)

Early days. It's easy to "show poise" when things are going well. He has a little bit of a Manziel-like playing demeanor (there's a clip of DTR flipping the bird at the Washington sideline floating around,) but luckily it seems he has better study/practice habits.

He has looked good.

So, the posts above saying to stop the criticism during preseason games, should also say stop with all the hype and kool-aid drinking because it is just preseason, right?

So far, so good on DTR..

very much so

My hope is that we make him the back up this year.... let him sit for a few years and turns into our starter or we trade him for some high picks...

exactly mine too

No worries WSU, I didn’t take it that way and there isn’t anything wrong with critical comments. Besides, I expect my post came off as strong anyways.

I’ll just summarize my response with what you hit on as I just arrived to my mission.

As a team, the previous years have little value on this year. Yes, at the end of the season evaluate what went right/what went wrong, evaluate your players, use that evaluation to make adjustments for the next year.
As fans (generalization), we have a different view point. We know we’ve sucked for 20+ years and most people’s hearts/feelings hang onto that. That’s understandable.

As for the pre-season, there should be minimal work done with the starters. This isn’t something new and we aren’t the only team that does this. The CBA contributes to this and also you don’t need needless injuries before the season even starts.

The players will get their reps, they do it on their own time through meet ups/through these different specialized training sites, they do it against the first team in practice and also they will do it agains the eagles in a simulated practice.

As stated, that isn’t something new and other teams do the same exact thing.

I said the same thing before last season and I’ll say it again (and it’s been said by others), our season, like other teams, will be defined by minimizing injuries to key areas and winning the close games. It’s pretty much as simple as that. The preseason has very little bearing on the season.

People can complaint or get over excited about players thats fine. However, there should be some basic evaluation over what the complaints/hype over the said position or player.
A couple examples about this: criticism towards York missing kicks. I get it, that’s valid, I tend to wait and see…but, it’s very valid to be critical over that. Another example, last year Dobbs having a good preseason and fans debating or wanting him to start over Brissett. I made the comment during that time to remember he was a third stringer in Pitt for a reason.

What I am getting at is it’s the preseason, there is a lot of fools gold and I recommend tempering the excitement or concern on the games. It’s entertainment for sure and productive conversation on here is always great when viewed from a calm mind

Whoooah, bro.

I googled "DTR flipping the bird at the Washington sideline". This is what I got. Against the same team. NOT a good sign! 🤣

lol I saw that too! ironic

I did want to bring up one thing about Mond. These games are good for him to be playing in and getting these kinds of reps.

My opinion on why you have him on the roster from last year to current.

- you should always have a QB project to work with yearly. Last year, we picked him up because of his certain qualities the FO valued. During the season he could get practice reps and try to let the specialized staff (QB coach) work on his steps, form, etc.

- this year, see how he progresses. They drafted DTR. Now it’s getting Mond lots of preseason reps. It’s a two-fold, if he looks viable…he can be trade bait if another teams QB goes down. If he doesn’t get traded then you can try to stash him on the PS with the hope he doesn’t get picked up. These reps are valuable to someone like him, say God-forbid we lose two QBs now Mond has a year and half experience in the offense. It doesn’t mean he will be average or above average, but at least he knows the system. This is the reason why players like Nathan Peterman stay on teams.

Well said. I just didn't have the time or energy to say all that. 😉👍

"So, the posts above saying to stop the criticism during preseason games, should also say stop with all the hype and kool-aid drinking because it is just preseason, right? tsktsk"

100% Yes that is what I'm saying. 👍

j/c

Not doing this to bring up bad memories but to show the PERFECT example of why preseason is so meaningless.

In 2017 the Browns went 4-0 in the preseason. During the regular season the Browns never won a game.

Do you mean like it is for every NFL team every year?

I personally don't care who wins or losses these pre-season games...I think most fans are the same way.

What I DO care about in these pre=season games is whether my team still exhibits the same poor tendencies that they did last year. Things like:

Missed field goals (by the same kicker);

Poor performance in the red zone;

Procedure penalties;

Getting gashed up the gut;

Do we have backups...especially at the skill positions...who look the part even if against other backups;

The defense communicating and fewer WTH moments...which was good to see...or not see I suppose in this case.

I'm looking/hoping for the team to clean up the things that continually plagued us last year.