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So we have a thread concerning the Republican debate and which candidate we would choose among republicans. So why not this thread? There is a very real possibility that Manchin may run for president on a third party ticket. I know a lot of voters, including some on this board have stated their disdain for what appear will be our obvious two choices at the present time, Biden/Trump. I am among those people. So as such, would you consider voting for a a Manchin/Huntsman ticket?



I will answer on my own behalf. Not only would I consider it, I would most certainly do it! I may not do that if circumstances were different in regards to me geographic location. But that is a scenario I don't have to tackle. I'm not sure I could vote third party if I lived somewhere that Biden had a legitimate shot at winning, but I don't. Not that I'm a fan of Biden's by any means but I could never do something I feel would aid in the election of trump. Trump won Tennessee by over 20 points both times he ran for president. So in regards to my state there's not a chance in hell of Biden winning.

So a vote for Biden is a wasted vote where I live and does nothing. I do however have an opportunity to send a message to both parties that the choices they have given me SUCK! That both parties are failing America. There is certainly no chance of Manchin getting elected but if he garners enough votes to make the two major parties stand up and take notice, it will have been worth the effort.

I would, but a Manchin-Huntsman ticket would hurt democrats.

A Huntsman-Manchin ticket would hurt republicans.

The third party option is only in play if Trump is the nominee, that is the stated objective of third party options.

Grandpa Joe is a problem, and any legitimate democrat would beat him in the primary, but democrats are pulling the Hillary rigging (see 2016) so there are no true challengers. Newsome or Klobashar would likely beat Joe outright.

Trump is much worse that a problem, he is a nightmare.

As far as Manchin goes, I don't really like a lot of his policies, particularly a couple areas where he has irked me. That being said, I really don't like the current setup and would possibly entertain the idea if I was confident enough that it would be a wakeup call.

I'm certainly no huge fan of Biden, but I don't think the 2020 primaries were rigged a la the 2016 primaries. Newsome wasn't involved and Klobuchar got drubbed by Biden. As far as 2024, I'm not even aware of the last time that a sitting President was primaried out by his own party, so I don't really consider what the Democrats plan to do in 2024 as rigging.

To me, the 3rd party option is only an option if trump isn't the nominee.
I am equally okay with any of the idiots running for president to get elected except for trump.
If trump is running, I will vote for whomever is most likely to beat him.

If he isn't running and a 3rd party runs a qualified candidate then I most certainly would vote for them

I certainly agree with you and as I stated, if I lived in a state where voting for Biden had a dogs chance in hell of making a difference I may very well think differently on this topic. But I live in Tennessee. There is zero chance Biden can win Tennessee.

As such it gives me the opportunity to send the message that both parties have failed me without having any impact on the outcome of the presidential election.

I don't know that the democrats are "rigging it for Joe". No candidate worth their salt has come out trying to run against him. And it's actually quite rare when someone does when an incumbent president is running for re-election. But I will say I think they are terrible about picking candidates based on "It's their turn" as I like to call it. It's as if they think if someone has paid their dues it somehow qualifies them to be next in line. I hate that line of thinking.

I don't like 3rd party tickets. They tend to hurt Republicans more than Dems. I don't say this as a dig, but I think Republicans tend to be more open minded about their vote. Dems seem to be more straight lined. Again, no dig, just years of observation.

That said, I like Joe. I could vote for him no matter the ticket. One or the other, not a 3rd party.

You just can't divide things in to 3rd's. You will never have a majority or close to candidate. It will, be like the President Clinton, President Bush, Perot election.

Otherwise you end up with roughly 2/3 of the country not supporting the elected President..


Again, I like Joe Manchin. We need more moderate voices. He is a slightly blue voice in a pretty red state. I think he works for all the people and just doesn't ignore the others. He has a balance that is refreshing.

It's already divided into thirds. One third democrat, one third republican and one third independent. Yet there are no options for independent voters to express that. This would be a way for independent voters to express their displeasure. To me, if things continue on the path they're headed, it will be the two party system that will be the major ingredient to undermine this country. I for one don't wish to see that happen and would like to see a course set moving forward to change that direction.

But why? I mean seriously, what is the reasoning? If this is Biden at 80, how could anyone believe he should be "leader of the free world" at 85?

I don't think I've mentioned this here, but I will, so y'all can give me a huge "atta boy" when it comes to pass.

The 'powers that be' have no intention of Joe running. That's been my opinion since shortly after he made it clear he would run again.

'The plan' is to bypass the entire campaign cycle and pull a bait and switch late in the game. Probably due to some 'health revelation' concerning Joe. They'll toe the line and hail Gavin Newsome (or insert any other name) as the golden boy and put his name on the ballot in the 11th hour.

Am I crazy?

In an ideal word that may be, but we don't live in an ideal world. You have to narrow it down to two choices

I don't disagree with you, just being realistic. I am not sure a 3rd party candidate would be a moderate.

I don't know about crazy but you do realize we heard a very similar conspiracy theory the first time he ran for president, right? That he would be replaced by Kamala shortly after the 2020 election. According to what I remember most of the predictions ranged from 6 to 18 months after the 2020 election. So coming up with some such conspiracy certainly isn't anything new but it is all the rage these days.

When I read your post I thought of the words, "To form a more perfect union". There is no legitimate reason it has to be narrowed down to two choices. In 1856 there were three parties which ran for president. There is also the option of running a ranked election process. In 1912 Theodore Roosevelt actually got more electoral votes than the Republican nominee in a presidential election as a third party candidate. It isn't a new concept.

I do think it would be difficult to achieve because you would have every politician in the two major parties doing everything in their power to obstruct any attempt to mitigate their stranglehold on power. I would promote the opposite.

I would not vote for him, no.

I'm a former 50 year Republican----now Independent.....I'd vote for anybody but TRUMP- I prefer Manchin over Biden. I will read up on this "new" common sense. Could be just what we, Americans, need.

One of the pitfalls of the electoral college is that is makes it almost impossible for a third party candidate to win. As a result we only have 2 choices. Throughout history third parties or independents have been essentially a non factor.

Aside from the Bull Moose effort, George Wallace was the last third party candidate to get electoral votes, 46 to be exact. Fallout of the civil rights MLK, RFK, and Vietnam War.

That was one heck of a year of chaos in retrospect.

J/c...

How about a ranked choice run-off with all relevant political parties?

Democratic
Republican
Libertarian
Reform
Socialist
Green
Natural Law
Hell, an Alien party if they can fund their campaign in USD


Top two hit the ballot following all of our current election protocol.


Bottom line, if we were to move towards a viable third (fourth, etc,) party system, there would need to be a run-off to make sure the winner represents the ideals of the majority of Americans.

I would have to know more about his policies.

My agenda is to get trump off the ballot and in a prison cell. He tried to change a valid election to remain in power.

Jan 6th is unforgettable and unforgivable.

IMO he is guilty of all 91 felonies.

I live in Georgia. So, if trump is on the ballot. I will cast a vote that will best serve him losing.

If Manchin is an option that I could vote for. I would be open minded.

While trump is in play the only ticket I’m considering is Biden/Harris

I agree, it would hurt the Dems and I don't think Manchin would do it. He is a Dem and leans a little Right because he has too. But in the end, I think he knows how bad Trump would be.

He might wanna run in 2028 maybe.

Just what the man said, I think I heard 20 million could be spent to get folks on the ballots ---that is chicken feed to most politicians.....BUT, it could be done.....time will tell.

NOPE. I can’t stand him.

I know nothing about Manchin, but I would consider anybody who is better than the crap that going to be running again in 2024.

Happy birthday dawg.

Happy Birthday, Bro!

Why? Please list specifics.

No. Ditto.

He’s no dem. That’s the only reason I need. He’s a POS.

Based on what?

Based on what he has done recently in office. He’s a dem in name only. What he really is, is another rich man in the energy business looking out for his own interests at all times. And he single-handedly thwarted Biden agenda during the first two years. Pure scum. SCUM SCUM SCUM. Him and Sinema both suck. I hope they get voted out.

Now I know that will chafe your centrist ass, but that is MY opinion of the man.

It doesn't actually chafe me at all. And in all honesty if I still lived in Ohio where Biden stands a chance at winning the state, I would vote for Biden. But I don't. I live in a state where Biden has zero chance of winning. So a vote for Biden doesn't count. It doesn't help and it serves no actual purpose. A vote for Manchin at least represents my disgust in the choices both major parties are giving us. That at least serves a purpose.

I won't take as emphatic of a stance as what you said about Manchin, but I think we share a lot of grievances about him.

I can't help but speculate that he was one of the inspirations for Oliver Anthony's song, being from the same region, although that is pure speculation on my part.

He has a brain and uses it rather than follow the flock.

Lmao, what flock? The left doesn’t play by MAGA rules. No flock that I can see. All the sheep are on the right these days.

The Oliver Anthony song was not left or right, it was intended to say that the problem was with both parties. There is a video of his response and his disgust at the GOP for trying to say the problem was a democratic issue.

Yes, I understand that and know about that. I was speaking as to individuals who may have sparked the song. I'm sure there are plenty on both sides. I'd also add to your point that his song knocks pillar points from both sides of the aisle.

Manchin acts like an energy baron, not a dem. And Sinema is a fake ass sellout. It wouldn’t surprise me if either one went full on GOPer at any second. And Manchin stopped some legislation that would have been great for his state’s working poor, because he’s an energy tycoon first. He’s not centrist, I think he’s a left leaning conservative myself and would have been far right in the Reagan era.

If MAGA hadn’t drug the GOP so far right, I think both would have flipped during Bidens first year. They basically did just that. So dems can’t count on them for anything at this point.

I want a guy with Bernie’s integrity and the balls to grab America by the who-ha and drag her back to true center. A real progressive in FDR style fixing America.

The center? The guy is a Socialist in the mold of Stalin.

Out an out pure communists. That is who he wants!!!

One day you will learn the difference between a communist and a socialist and be more accurate with your responses.

Bernie is a socialist.

Well, he did respond to someone who said Bernie would pull us back to the center. j/s 🤣