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Dear God man! I just answered your question. Try reading it slowly. Maybe that will help....


You seem to think in a nation where people have been programmed to believe that courts hand out light sentences, do not fully enforce the laws, that is rigged, are suddenly going to leave it up to the courts to dole out the death penalty for pedophilia? They are not. The only thing this law has shown them is that "anyone they believe" to be a pedophile deserves to die.

The fact that the Florida GOP used the timing of this after not acting for 14 years is more the problem than anything. It was not done this way by accident. And as such when it comes to violence against the trans community, it can only act in a way that will make things worse.

Your theory seems to be after so many of them have been trained to believe the court system doesn't work, is rigged and allows criminals to get off the hook, they will do nothing to address the problem themselves. I think you underestimate the number of people who think that way.

I don't believe a single thing you posted here.

But, as for this part: "The fact that the Florida GOP used the timing of this after not acting for 14 years is more the problem than anything."?

I'll take your stance from the border wall discussion: I'm happy they learned and are doing something about it."

Keep in mind, the law does not single out gay, or trans, etc. It applies to - get this: EVERYONE. No matter race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.

You and I probably agree on Hillary making things worse every time she opens her mouth, but, that being said, Pit does have a point that if you are criticizing people for bringing up Trump, it's a bad look to bring up Hillary by comparison. I personally think both are fair game, especially given the current polls and the speaker nomination.

And I said pretty much the same thing you did about the border. It's nice to see someone that made a mistake and is willing to learn from it.

The law doesn't single them out. Many people who read that law will. I've never argued against the law in isolation. I've argued that the timing of it is a purposeful measure that will increase violence towards the trans community. The problem here is that some people want to ignore everything else that's been happening in Florida over the past few years and pretend the timing of such a law isn't connected.

That would be just like you pretending that the increased number of illegals crossing crossing the border and political pressure played no part in the timing of Biden building an addition to the wall. On that we can both see it. Yet when showing that timing played a huge part of when this law was brought forth by pointing out the circumstances surrounding it you have decided to play the part of the blind man.

There are political reasonings and motivations surrounding the fact they waited 14 year to pass such a law. Just like there are political reasonings and motivations as to why Biden has waited until now to add to the wall. One you can see while the other you refuse to see.

Nope. Not in any way, shape or form does that answer the question. We'll try the fourth time...

What would be worse for "trans hate" and "trans attacks" in Florida"?

A. The death penalty law passing.
B. The death penalty law failing.

Hint: It's a simple, one word answer.

Except that is an inside-out response to what happened. I didn't bring up Hillary by comparison, he brought up Trump to compare apples and oranges.

So, basically the mindset (which you are reinforcing here), is that nothing should be said about anyone because: "Trump".

That lunatic just said people should be sent for reprogramming because they don't agree with her politics. How is my response to that comparing her to Trump??

It’s a simple one letter answer…..you first.

WTH is wrong with you? Is it your claim that THIS doesn't answer your question?


Being purposefully obtuse is not attractive.

I'm not saying you're trying to compare her to Trump, just that it should be fair to bring up both. Yes, she's a lunatic and a sociopath, but so is Trump. I think it should be fair to bring up both in conversation as long as they continue to spout their idiotic vitriol, both should be in the crosshairs of conversation and criticism.

What part of “the funds were allocated by the trump admin in 2019” do the Maga Gopers not understand?

Except that you said this:


Now you're quoting something else and acting like you've been telling me the answer all along. Par for the course.

Well, at least we have your answer. It's your contention that there would be less violence against the trans community if the death penalty law had failed.

That's outrageous.

You really don't have to be capable of much critical thought to realize the loonies would lash out more if the state decided people who rape children can't receive the death penalty. I mean, if we're expected to believe everything you say... people don't know the difference between gay and pedophile, even talking about pedophiles makes people angry with trans folks, this was a time-traveling government plot, etc, etc...

I call this a net positive for the trans community, for all the reasons a single iota of common sense can prove it true. Today, I celebrate with them. While you stoke the coals of hatred.

I'm not pretending anything. I clarified it to make it easier for you to understand since you pretended you couldn't figure it out before. Even after that you pretended I did not answer your question.

With anyone having an IQ above 12 I had most certainly addressed the question prior to that. It's not my fault you're playing some mindless game pretending you didn't understand that. And then you try to labor others as the trolls.

As per usual you're trying to call a hog a steer. That won't turn a ham into a rump roast.

You pretend things like this don't exist and have no impact on anything......

Some Republicans use false 'pedophilia' claims to attack Democrats, LGBTQ people

Republicans are falling back on dangerous, false anti-LGBTQ tropes.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/republica...democrats-lgbtq-people/story?id=84344687

Sure man, all of that doesn't mean anything in trumplandia.

Ope, there's Trump again.

I'm not pretending anything. Never said "things like this don't exist".

I don't think the criteria for determining the penalty for raping children should hinge on how the trans community may react.

Neither did the bipartisan approval of a law that determined the punishment.


Yours is just another in a long line of far-fetched conspiracy theories that everything and everyone is out to harm the trans folk.


Not that it fits your fairytale, but the actual passage of the law was in the response to a jury not reaching a unanimous decision to put Parkland shooter to death, and the public outrage that followed. This new law simply vacates the need for a unanimous decision.

Do those who hate school shooters also hate the trans community? Inquiring minds want to know.

I never said it should hinge on how the trans community reacts. I said there will be consequences which will have a negative impact on the trans community. Whether those consequences were intended or not.

I do find it odd that with violence against the trans community rising exponentially that you somehow believe the people warning others have been using fairy tales. Things must have really changed according to some. Maybe you could inform me when fairy tales started having real world consequences.


I tried explaining this to you but you just can't accept it. You're talking about people who actually read and understand laws. Not the millions who have been trained to distrust the court system and only read the headlines. You seriously underestimate how many such people there are out there.

He's doing exactly what you are wanting to be done. Oh the horror!

That is disgusting. I think what bothers me, too, is that there are plenty of empathetic arguments on the pro-choice side, and then you have garbage like this that makes the whole situation worse.

Yep and yep.

US Senator Menendez charged with conspiring to act as foreign agent
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...against-senator-bob-menendez-2023-10-12/

Woah.

This guy has been a clown show for a long time and should have been removed from power a long time ago. There is little doubt left that he is corrupt and I'm looking forward to the time he pays the cost for it.

Second that. Dude needs to give up his role, too. I mean, charged with being a foreign agent and still keeps his legislative role. Seems like indictments are all the trend these days for having a primary position in Government.

Didn’t trump pardon Flynn who was conspiring to act as a foreign agent? The goal post shifts again. Pffft.

How? They should both be in jail as far as I’m concerned. They both (allegedly for Menéndez as of now) committed a crime. Pardoning doesn’t weigh on the merits of the crime.

That all being said, that’s a huge what-about by the way. Yeah, Trump sucks and his pardoning was yet another brick in the house of his narcissistic corruption where you hear way too many crickets on the right, but that has nothing to do with Menéndez.

Rather than talk about pardons, how about we just stop putting buttheads in policy-making positions and/or remove and prosecute them when they go full butthead.

I agree that both parties should stop supporting and electing "buttheads" as you called them. I'm not sure as to why you don't think it's fair game to point out that trump pardoned someone for the exact same thing as Republicans are pointing out as such a terrible thing now is off base. It has become popular to call a fair comparison a whatabout these days. But that's usually done by people that don't want you to point out the similarities.

Now if someone tries to use that as an exuse not to punish someone for wrong doing I could see your point. But when pointing out a complete double standard I don't.

I see it as a breakaway issue, because I am of the mind that things need to be compartmentalized. I think too often your second point above becomes the silent objective of many posters, which I imagine extrapolates out into the greater public. I think people will post the hypocrisy of one side to diminish the actions of a guilty person.

In the sake of this case, if we have Menendez, I think we should focus on him and his wrongdoing. If there is another discussion that focuses on the Right's (especially the far Right's) hypocrisy in going after Menendez while remaining silent on Flynn/Bannon/Manafort/all the other schmucks, I will be right in there talking about it. Or, had a far right poster come in here and talked about how corrupt the Democrats are, utilizing this as an example, while that same poster had remained silent on Trump - or even stuck up for him - then I think that's fair game to call that person out.

In this case, though, we have an article that talks about Menendez being charged, and the comment in response was "Didn't Trump pardon Flynn who was conspiring to act as a foreign agent? The goal post shifts again." To me, that's a complete attempt at distraction of the main point of discussion.

So are you saying I should compartmentalize the fact that democrats and people that get labeled liberal on this board have come out against Memendez for his actions while republicans on this board sit silently by refusing to say anything against Republicans that do do the same thing or the fact they get pardoned for the same thing which none of them mentioned?? Is that too something you call a whatabout?

You see, it's impossible to show the contrast when doing so is always labeled in a negative fashion. Unless of course you see it for what it is. An attempt to silence you from pointing out that stark contrast by people trying to silence you from doing so by labeling you in a negative fashion. Which at that point you really don't give a damn what they are saying because pointing out what they're refusing to say is a much more important thing to point out.


“The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.”
― Albert Einstein

Considering we still have Santos on the hill…. yes the goal posts shift faster than the wind with GOPers.

No I’m not saying that at all, and I think you can get from the exchange you and I had early on in this thread, and from other threads, that we both feel the silence on the right is a huge problem. I don’t think that should be compartmentalized in the sense that it should never be brought up. It’s huge. It’s part of the enabling that has run rampant on that side of the aisle. It’s complicity.

But when we’re talking specifically about an indictment/charge against someonewho happens to be a Democrat that is obviously corrupt, and the reaction is about a Trump pardon, it’s definitely a diversion from the topic.

It’s like me pointing out the fact my wife has problems backing the car out of my driveway and then she brings up every little thing I’ve done wrong for the last five years.

I guess we just see this a little different. To me we have seen those who people expect to support democrats call out Mendez and call it for what it is. They say he should be removed from office. By contrast trump went so far as to pardon Flynn for the exact same charge that was brought up as of late and the other side said remained silent. I get what you're saying if you look at the post in isolation. But in the overall context of the thread I think it brings up the very topic of a refusal of one side to call for accountability while at least accountability is expected for Menendez.

I mean look at Santos.

Geez, Santos? Yikes. Take a moment and listen to his rant in the halls from this past week when he was asked about the new charges... Geez....

And Menendez, shouldn't even be in congress right now.

Why do we not have a law or rule that says, if your convicted of a felony, you can't hold public office?

The problem I see is that they "haven't been convicted". I think the overwhelming evidence in these cases should be some form of disqualification to serve at least until the cases are resolved.

Fetterman calls on full Senate to expel Menendez after new charge

Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) on Thursday called on the full Senate to vote on a resolution to expel Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) from the chamber in the wake of new charges asserting the New Jersey senator has acted as a foreign agent on behalf of Egypt.

“Senator Menendez should not be a U.S. Senator. He should have been gone long ago. It is time for every one of my colleagues in the Senate to join me in expelling Senator Menendez,” he said in a statement.

“We cannot have an alleged foreign agent in the United States Senate,” Fetterman added. “This is not a close call.”

Fetterman called for Menendez’s expulsion after federal prosecutors filed a new charge alleging Menendez and his wife, Nadine Arslanian, conspired to act as an agent of Egypt while Menendez chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

The superseding indictment filed by the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York points out that Menendez, as a public official, was prohibited from serving as a foreign agent.

It also noted that between 2020 and 2022, Menendez made multiple requests for the Justice Department to investigate another person for failing to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

The fourth count of the revised federal indictment against Menendez alleges that his co-defendants, including his wife and her business associate Wael “Will” Hana, “willfully and knowingly combined, conspired, confederated and agreed together and with each other to have a public officials, to wit, Robert Menendez, act as an agent of a foreign principal.”

Fetterman told reporters last month he would vote to expel Menendez.

“Whatever kinds of procedure that could bring about getting rid of him, I’m all for it, forcing it,” he said.

“Honor, clearly, isn’t going to be the option to appeal to at this point,” he said, noting Menendez had been “defiant” in resisting calls for his resignation.

More than half of the Senate Democratic caucus has called on Menendez to resign.

New Jersey Rep. Andy Kim (D), who has announced his plan to challenge Menendez in next year’s Democratic primary, earlier on Thursday called on the Senate to expel Menendez from the upper chamber.

“As a former national security official who swore an oath to defend our Constitution, I cannot stand by as the Senator representing my family and my state has been accused of acting as a foreign agent,” Kim Thursday said in a statement on X, formerly known as Twitter. “Given the severity of these charges, the US Senate should vote on expulsion.”

Kim, who represents New Jersey’s 3rd Congressional District, worked for the Pentagon, State Department and White House National Security Council before being elected to Congress in 2018.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...y2vIKbvNGNt0Cj33UUL2kIhSt7hR4OQEFVkUU8DU

I don’t think we’re that far off. To use Santos as an example, if the first notion in response was “yeah, but there are posters in here who want to keep Menéndez in office” - as there were - I see it as a diversion/distraction from focusing on the discussion at hand.

I think what it will take is for everyone who is intelligent to set their biases aside, and vocally call out wrongdoing for wrongdoing and not let people off the hook. Look at McCarthy again now saying that Democrats were the reason for the House dysfunction. I remember watching the Transdigm hearing, which was horrible by the way, and Comer’s first response to this horrible company gouging from our defense fund was to talk about Biden and COVID. To me, if the issue we are focusing on is Santos, Menéndez, Gaetz, Trump or whoever, let’s go hard in the paint on that issue, and to your point, everyone should be vocal about it.

We really need to have our “Untouchables” moment with politicians.

Good for John

I understand that, I was looking into the future.