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Of course he said it. That doesn't mean that he has the ability to do what he said. Like I said, "he said it" isn't any sort of proof that it has or will happen. Did you bother to read the process he will have to go through to use any of that money. Come on now Eve, stop and think about it for a moment.

If you're going to use , "He said it" as proof that the leader of a nation actually does what he says he'll do, why didn't Mexico pay for the border wall? People can literally "say" anything. That's not proof they can or will do it.

You are is some serious denial because you cant win this argument.

My take… ‘religion’ of this type is a scourge on humanity. Both sides.

What argument? Your claim is that just because he said it, it must be true. That's not an argument. That's ridiculous.

I would believe the President of the country over an internet troll.

That sounds like the same thing you said when Mexico was supposed to pay for a wall. How did that work out for you?



That seems to be your problem. You'll trust anyone that says what you want to hear no matter how many times they lie to you. You'll believe the leader of a terrorist nation like Iran before you find out of he does what he says. That's why you've been so easily fooled for so long.

That's your problem, not mine.

I never said Mexico will pay for the wall. But your deflection wont work. Youre in denial that a terrorist county will do what they want with money we gave them, when they said straight to your face that they will do what they want.

You're both right.

How? Iran said it.

How might you be right?: Let's say I had the ability to sanction some portion of your money. Let's say $100,000. I then agree to release the money as long as you donated it to, say, homeless shelters, for humanity purposes. You say "cool, cause I donate $10,000 a year currently."

That cost is already in your current budget.

So, with the 100,000 you're getting, you spend that 10,000 on homeless. It also frees up 10,000 that was in already in your budget that you can use in other nefarious ways.

Just for clarification, Is the money still in the US banking system? If it's not, the US can't necessarily do anything about how it is used other than get angry if it's used other than how it was put down in writing. Where actually is the money? There are times not to believe everything you hear. There are also times to believe people when they say they are going to do bad things. Especially when the way things are set up would appear to allow them to do so. (not that they are, but are they?)

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What you are in denial of is that a system has been set in place to prevent that. You seem to believe you have some sort of ability to see into the future and know the outcome before anything happens. News flash. You don't.

A claim someone is making doesn't constitute a fact that something will be done or will happen. So now you have decided to trust the word of a leader who claims it's America who are the terrorists? Do you think that's true? Or have you decided to pick and choose when he's telling the truth to support your agenda. Let me guess, "Well he was lying when he said that but now he's telling the truth when he said this." These are the people you now trust the word of?

Iranian officials chant 'death to America, death to Israel' in government body: watch the video

https://www.foxnews.com/world/irani...death-israel-government-body-watch-video

I never thought you would be a person who would side with trusting the word of anti-American terrorists.

The fact that I pointed out that leaders do not always do what they say isn't a deflection. It's the actual argument you're trying to make that just because he said it, it will happen.

That would be correct if that money wasn't accounted for. It will be doled out in increments. If they don't do what the money is intended for in those increments, the cash flow stops.

Now I'm certainly not going to guarantee that things will work out exactly as they are intended to. But as of now there is no reason to claim it will work out the opposite way either.

Are you so obtuse you cant see the difference? Or maybe you cant see how you defeated your own argument.

Trump said Mexico will build a wall. Mexico did not agree that and did not build a wall.

Biden said Iran will use the money for humanities. Iran said FU and they will do what they want with it.

Do you also believe Russia’s special military operation is going “as planned” too?

Yes we have been given Israel support but to the best of my knowledge only one of them has sworn to wipe the other off the face of the earth.

Did Biden try to tell Putin he cant have a military operation and enforce it?

trump said his son-in-law created peace in the middle east. Must be true

Right but ‘who said what’ in this specific conflict matters none. Israel and Palestine are gonna point to <insert events throughout their history> as a reason for why violence is necessary.

Again, I support Israel, and what’s ALSO true is that from Palestine/iran/other factions perspective, that’s our country choosing to side with the Zionist in this holy war.

Just like Iran siding with Hamas is them siding with terrorist organizations from our perspective.

Jeanine Pirro planted that seed in the viewers mind the other day.. No surprise someone would take that from her and put it out into the universe.

So you're trying to say that Biden caused the peace to end in the Middle East?

Russia-Ukraine broke out on his watch, too.

Clearly, Joe Biden is the Anti-Christ, and this is the beginning of the end times.

/purple

dont tease people with a good time, bro.

You are perpetuating lies from the library of trump..lol. Get a grip on reality and please get off that bar stool and go home.

Which president?

You are perpetuating lies from the libtard library. Get a life and repent.

I wonder if Iran helped to fund this? They did just receive several $billion who's ruler publicly said they would use it as they see fit.

So now we have an aircraft carrier and destroyer, along with the necessary support ships cruising to the eastern Mediterranean to "show" support. We are supporting Ukraine in an endless war. As I see it, this would be the perfect time for China to jump Tiawan.

Congrats! You just won the non-answer award of the year!

Really?

By the way, Clinton did, in fact not have sexual relations with that woman. He said it so it must be believed.

Ask stupid questions, win stupid prizes.

Yea….no.

Really what?

Iran funds many terrorist groups. Just asking the question.

We have warships heading to Israel.

We are spending and sending military resources to Ukraine. That is being fought like a WWI trench war. It could take years for that mess to resolve.

I also offered my opinion on what I would do regarding Taiwan. If I was China, I would take the island next week with the USA military and funds spread thin on two different fronts of conflict. If not an all put attack, at minimum push the envelope further and ramp up aggressive actions.

Not many like the USA. All three of those groups would like nothing more than to weaken us. We didn't like the Russians, nor them us in WWII but got in to bed together because we both disliked Hitler more.

Peen, why do you insist on posting as if America does anything and everything by ourselves?

Jc

U.S. says nine Americans killed in Israel, others still missing

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-confirms-death-nine-americans-124728675.html

Yea, I don’t care about past events. Our people are dead and some taken hostage. Get boots on the ground and clear them out of Israel.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...419cd06603740468ab4d656e693df1d&ei=8

Joe Biden is simply amazing. He is amazingly wrong in everything decision he makes. Obama's Nuclear arms deal with Iran was an utter failure that was proven to only fund terrorist groups. So, what does Biden do? Signs another Nuclear arms deal with Iran and again funds terrorist groups. Then his first instinct is to send out a message to Israel to not retaliate. He is a loser in every sense of the word. Shame on him and shame on everyone that voted for him.

the middle east involved in typical middle eastern nonsense is somehow Biden's fault.

Are you so obtuse you take the word from the nation yelling "death to America" for years now and have not attempted to act on it? So it appears. As Tome Petty used to say, "You believe what you want to believe." Your claim is "But he said it!" yes, he said it. Now all he has to figure out is how to do it. Let me know when he does. then you'll actually have something of substance to discuss. As of now you don't.

The money goes out little at a time as it is designated. If the money isn't used as it was supposed to be, they get no more money. Rather than discuss that, you make claims that can't be accomplished the way this has all been set up. But you keep doing you.

From the brain of no substance comes more white noise.

They didn't "just get billions". Where do you get that from? Please inform yourself how all of this is actually set up and being ran. I have no idea where you are getting your information from but all of this is strictly monitored..............

How Iran can use the $6 billion involved in the release of 5 Americans

The Iranian government now has access to $6 billion of their funds to be used for humanitarian purposes as a part of a wider deal that allowed five Americans who had been imprisoned in Iran to go free.

The money – which had been held in restricted accounts in South Korea before being transferred to different restricted accounts in Qatar via banks in Europe – is a a key part of the deal. Iranian and US officials were notified by Qatar on Monday that the transfer had finished, according to a source briefed on details of the matter.

While the Iranian government claims it can use the money however it pleases, the Biden administration has repeatedly stressed that the funds are narrowly limited to non-sanctionable purchases like food and medicine, and that they will be subject to strict oversight.

Moreover, US officials have made clear that the funding, which is Iran’s, not from US taxpayer dollars, is not under the control of the Iranian government.

Brett McGurk, White House coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa, said Monday that “no funds are going to Iran at all.”

“These funds are paid to vetted third-party vendors for food, medicine, medical products and agricultural products to go into Iran over a period of years. If there is any diversion, we’ll know it and we’ll lock up these accounts,” he told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “The Lead.”

Republicans have been quick to criticize the deal, alleging that the transfer of the money is harming American credibility abroad and could be an incentive for US adversaries to wrongfully detain American citizens.

White House coordinator for strategic communications John Kirby said it was simply the “result of months and months of hard, hard work by our diplomats, particularly at the State Department, in bringing this about.”

What the $6 billion is and how it is supposed to be used

The money made accessible to Iran as a part of the deal are Iranian funds that have been held in restricted South Korean accounts. Sources told CNN the funds came from oil sales that were allowed and placed into accounts set up under the Trump administration.

The money is now available to the Iranian government for purchase of non-sanctionable items such as food and medicine. But it is not totally under the control of the Iranian government and will not reside in Iranian banks, according to the US.

The funds began to be transferred out of the South Korean accounts after four of the five Americans were moved from Evin Prison to house arrest last month. Earlier this month, Secretary of State Antony Blinken approved a waiver to allow financial institutions in Europe to move the money to Qatar without fear of invoking US sanctions.

And the Iranian government was not given the ability to access those funds until US officials had eyes on the five Americans when they landed in Doha, US government officials familiar with the matter said.

Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi said in an interview last week that the Iranian government will decide how and where to spend the $6 billion in frozen assets. Kirby said that statement was “flat out wrong.”

“This is not a payment of any kind, it’s not ransom, these aren’t US taxpayer dollars, and we haven’t lifted a single one of our sanctions on Iran – Iran will be getting no sanctions relief,” Kirby said. “We will continue to counter Iran, the Iran regime’s human rights abuses, will continue to counter their destabilizing actions abroad, its support for terrorism, attack on maritime shipping in the Gulf, and its continued support for Russia’s war against Ukraine.”

“The Iranians are telling their people basically what they think they want to hear. Raisi’s comments were entirely off base,” a senior State Department official said. “But we know the truth, and so we’re confident in in this.”

How the US says it is conducting oversight

Biden administration officials have stressed each transaction using the funds will be monitored by the US Treasury Department.

“We are implementing this arrangement through the establishment of what we are calling the humanitarian channel in Qatar,” which is designed to protect against money laundering and misuse of the funds, a senior administration official said.

Kirby said last week that the money is going to be held by the Qatari National Bank and is available for withdrawal by request from the Iranian government.

“The Iranians can request withdrawals for it for humanitarian purposes, and the countries and it will be, and us – we will have oversight, sufficient oversight into the request itself, to validate the request and then to deliver funds appropriate to that request,” Kirby told reporters.

“The money will then go to qualified vendors to purchase and deliver the food, the medical supplies, into Iran. So, it will go directly to aid organizations or appropriate relevant organizations inside Iran so that the Iranian people can benefit from it.”

On Monday, Kirby stressed that the US can stop a transaction from taking place if necessary, and US officials have stressed that if they find misuse of the funds, they can freeze the accounts.

“If Iran tries to divert the funds or use them for anything other than the limited humanitarian purposes authorized, we’ll take action to lock up the funds,” the senior administration official said.

Trita Parsi, executive vice president of the Quincy Institute in Washington, DC, told CNN that the terms of the agreement are so strict on Iran that they are “humiliating.”

“The biggest thing this (US) administration fears is to be accused of being soft on Iran,” said Parsi. “In order to balance the fact that they made a deal to secure the release of Americans, they are imposing new sanctions and doing things that make them look really tough.”

What the criticisms are

Republican Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas last week criticized the transfer, saying, “The way to avoid having hostages taken by Iran is to be strong, firm and resolute and did not use carrots in the form of $6 billion but to use sticks in the form of threats.”

Former Vice President Mike Pence – under whose tenure the White House made two prisoner swap deals with Tehran – is expected to slam the deal later Monday in a speech, according to a senior Pence campaign official, who said Pence will argue that China may look to exploit the US after seeing the Biden administration’s actions towards adversaries so far. The deal with Iran is set to be one of Pence’s examples of what he’ll call the administration’s “posture of weakness.”

And last month, 26 Senate Republicans, led by presidential hopeful Sen. Tim Scott, sent a letter to Blinken and Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen criticizing the deal.

“While we firmly believe the United States must use every appropriate resource to secure the release of American citizens wrongfully detained overseas, this decision will reinforce an incredibly dangerous precedent and will enable the Iranian regime to increase its destabilizing activities across the Middle East,” the senators write.

They also questioned whether this agreement could be part of a larger plan to create a new nuclear deal with Iran – a notion that has been firmly rejected by the administration, which says that it sees the nuclear issue and the detainee issue totally separately.

“We are also worried that your administration is attempting to sidestep Congress and pursue other pathways to financially compensate Iran in an attempt to renegotiate a successor to the ill-fated 2015 nuclear deal,” they said. “Any agreement with the Iranian regime that entails financial reward for malign behavior is wholly unacceptable.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/18/politics/iran-money-explainer/index.html


That is a valid point. Choosing to use leverage when someone is overextended or divided is a sold strategy. Look at Israel. Netanyahu and his new government overruled the court to make his government not subject to checks and balances. It divided the people of Israel. There have been ongoing demonstrations for months. That has kept Israeli security preoccupied to say the least. I think if one objectively looks at that, it's not hard to see this was taken advantage of.

As it pertains to Taiwan, I'm not sure there's anything we can do about that regardless. From a strategic and logistic standpoint, I think we are more bark than we are bite about that. This is right on China's doorstep while we are a half a world away.