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I'll be shocked if he plays this Sunday.

I'm so tired of this team's circus .. we deserve better as fans than to deal with it

What part of this is it you call a circus? Do you think the Browns should broadcast whether watson will play or not to our opponents before they have to?

The speculation that this is a power play by Watson, the speculation that the team is untruthful, players constantly being asked about the elephant in the room and not knowing how to respond, the fact that we signed such a risk to hundreds of millions guaranteed ... and he's lived WAY down to any expectation

So you are calling it a circus based on speculation. Thanks.

perception is reality Pit ... the perception is that we are a circus. It sucks, but it's life.

Jump on the 49ers -6.5!

PJ Walker and DTR currently drawing straws to see who has to play this Sunday.

Perception is what people make reality out to be based only upon speculation. Not what reality necessarily is.

Could you imagine if the 49'ers snatched him up off the practice squad before the Browns elevated him to the 53 man roster?

I believe that he is protected so they cannot snatch him. I also believe we would have the chance to elevate PJ before they can steal him. PJ could decide to leave however

It should make my blood boil, but at this point I would laugh so hard if Walker got claimed.

I'm not sure what the rules are exactly. My understanding is that any team can poach any player on your practice squad at any time.

You can designate a certain number of players every week that can’t be poached. I’ll have to look it up and post a link

Thanks for that. It just goes to show you don't know until you know.

Zac Jackson tried to be funny and clever, and he failed.....again.

Meh... we were all thinking it.

Deshaun Watson sits out practice again; P.J. Walker will start ahead of Dorian Thompson-Robinson vs. 49ers if Watson can’t go

Updated: Oct. 11, 2023, 1:53 p.m.|Published: Oct. 11, 2023, 12:58 p.m.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...uff-as-browns-prepare-for-5-0-49ers.html

I understand the feelings, but we don't deserve anything as far as this is concerned.

I think you've been around this team long enough to know they really don't deserve this much benefit of doubt.
It isn't the chess move people like to think it is, especially with our options at QB.
If an opponent prepares for Watson, they're covered because if Watson doesn't go, there's nothing to do but tee-off on whomever is in there for him.

P.J. Walker or BUST!

I agree. Compare the Browns to the 49ers and you can see the difference in professionalism. The '9ers come in, playoff berth after playoff berth, Super Bowl appearance, etc. The '9ers have found a way to completely turn over their team again and again - from Harbaugh to Shanahan, and compete every year. They're starting Mr. Freaking Irrelevant at quarterback and are hands down the best team in the league, favorites over us in our own place. - Unreal.

Meanwhile, the idiots in Berea have had countless high draft picks, countless free agency signings, a 230 million dollar quarterback, and yet, we have zilch to show for it and our quarterback is most likely not even playing. Unreal.

Combine this nonsense with the fact that it may rain on Sunday, and you're looking at ticket prices comparable to what they were in late 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011.... etc. etc.

Circus is too nice of a word to describe this crap organization.

On the bright side, I've never seen the niners play before so I may take my daughter to the game on Sunday. We'll get a pair of decent seats for about 50 bucks total an hour before gametime - right when it's confirmed that Watson isn't playing. Sit there for a half, bask in the fact that the people around us paid, no joke, 5x what we paid to be there, and leave at halftime.

that is definitely a bright side. I always enjoy when the random NFC teams come to Cleveland .. it just doesn't happen too often when we host SF, GB, DAL, etc

I don't agree that the team is a "circus". The guy is hurt. The same people who made excuses for Baker's horrible play do his injury, act as if Watson is playing a game with the team. It never ends with the fans. Four games in and they are calling him a bust, it is laughable. I have come to the conclusion, that many would rather have a circus, just so they can continue their constant bashing of the team, coaches, players and owner. For God's sake just go root for somebody else.

That being said, this team just can't get a break. Loaded roster, and now injuries are taking a toll. With Bitonio hurting, I see the run game as a no go. If Watson don't play, it is going to be a blowout. IMO, the playoffs are a pipe dream.

The team is a circus until they're not.... a clown car of misadventures, and the clowns keep coming.

Replace most of the time with never for Browns fans.

haha exactly ... or at least 99% of the time it's not our way

yeah its bound to happen

any updates?

lol thats what we figured

I had no idea that "I'll talk to you tomorrow" means the Browns had made the decision P.J. walker would be the starter. I mean, who knew?

I don't know if he is playing on Sunday or not, but QBs not starting normally don't address the media on Fridays. If he knows he is to address media, that seems noteworthy.

I suppose he could have said that just so he can dodge talking to them.

I believe that sounds like the most likely scenario here but who knows?

Why get our hopes up just to smash them.

Watson won't play, at minimum, until next week IMO. And probably not until our game vs Arizona

Agreed.

I’ll be much more surprised than not, if he plays next week against the Colts.

the issue is that we'll be 2-4 or 2-5 when he returns and basically done

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I’m told the #Browns QB Deshaun Watson will not play Sunday vs the 5-0 #49ers, per source.

so he's ruled out more than 2.5 days before last game, which was 2 weeks ago

Maybe DW feels he made a mistake and isn't too enthused about playing here anymore. Hey just a thought!!!

I wonder what kind of influence this Quincey Avery dude is having behind the scenes.

This aged well.

I guess I missed something...explain???

Maybe there's nothing, but I would bet there is more to this

Well, PJ knew.

PJ Walker Career stats...5 TD, 11 INTs and a QBR of 64 in 3 years.

Oh boy.

Glad we got rid of Dobbs.

Maybe Watson realized that this club punishes quarterbacks who try to play through injuries.

And the loyal fans who had to watch

we should be looking for more help.. you can't tell me a 3400 year old matt ryan isn't a better option than PJ walker or DTR

Dan Marino just got contact lenses...

Maybe I have it wrong but I think Dshaun has a personal QB coach,.Avery, that I think is with him all the time. I think he was in the video clip floating around where Watson tells Stefanski he can't go against the Ravens.

If I have that wrong, someone tell me.

yes, he is Weston's personal coach ... he's often chiming in on twitter defending Watson's throws/reads/etc

So you think he's telling Deshaun not to play?

Quincy Avery is his personal QB coach and also does a weekly podcast with Watson. He comes across as a clown.

Avery was not on the field when Watson told Stefanski and Berry he could not go against the Ravens.

Browns have officially ruled out Watson about 20 mins ago

We wasted a lot of money and draft picks on this guy. Should have stuck with Mayfield.

I truthfully wonder if we could trade for Brissett

this goes back to my poor opinion of this FO with regards to personnel management. You tell everyone the goal is a deep playoff run it should be a fun year, but none of your moves suggest that. Putting a rookie against a defense that has the propensity to destroy rookie QBs, then your plan is to sign a guy that has thrown twice as many interceptions as touchdowns.. I mean the two most important pieces on the offense to have viable depth imo is QB and RB, our moves don't align with having good depth at skill positions. So what you have instead, two games where there is literally less than a zero percent chance of winning given the situation and all that is at stake is potential injuries to other players . You have to give your team a chance to win on any given sunday and Berry has failed miserably at that on the offensive side, add in a HC that shouldn't be calling plays and what you're going to get is a game that is going to be over with by Q2

So, by my calculation, Watson has been with the Browns for 17 games last season, and including the SF game in 2 days, 5 this season. 22 games total.

He's played a total of 9 - maybe 10 games. Is that right?

I know, suspended, no injured.

not a very good return on investment thus far

At this moment... the investment is a bust.

Not saying it will stay that way, just sayin'.

I'm saying I don't know what kind of influence he has on Watson and am wondering if it's an issue.

It aged the way it should have aged. "I'll talk to you tomorrow" didn't mean watson wouldn't start. It turns out watson isn't starting but those two things don't mean the same thing. No matter how much you attempt to make that so.

I didn't particularly like the trade at the time and like it even less now. We gave up way too much in value. IMO, we could have won it all with Brissette and the draft choices....

j/c...

So now the reports are Watson has not been cleared to play. Stefanski had said Watson had been medically cleared to play. Over the bye week, both he and Berry doubled down saying they expected Watson to play in the SF game and now this...

The messaging by the Browns on this has been disastrous.

there are weird rumors on Twitter that he may be in an out-patient rehab thing right now and this is all being used to cover that up.

Could just be stupid talk ... and that's the problem: when we are so unforthcoming, rumors spread and it gets worse

Maybe I'm being lazy here, but doesn't the NFL have strict rules about accurately reporting injuries?

yeah I think so .. but I think you can get loose with the phrasing of injuries to keep it more ambiguous. It's a gray area for sure

I would guess stupid talk is putting it mildly. It could be true I guess, but it reminds me of the in-season trade rumors I keep reading on Facebook.

yeah for sure .. you get into the area of people just spouting off wild stuff to see what sticks. It's the risk you run when you sign a controversial guy and then aren't very open about sharing what's going on

And then he "gets hurt" but never shows any sign of being hurt... pops up from a hit, finishes the game with a smile on his face, gives no sign of an injury until late that week, ends up missing a game, luckily before a bye week, still isn't well through the bye week, misses the next game... with reports of the injury being likely to sideline him for multiple weeks.

I suspect, by next week, he'll have cancer of the shoulder and will need experimental surgery.

All this, on the heels of a QB that would play with a broken shoulder and severed limb.

Only in Cleveland -- this is fun!

I seriously have not been this 'checked out' since we realized Charlie Frye wasn't going to be a HOFer.

This is where I am at. I'll watch with passing interest moving forward. If the team ever gets over the hump I'll amp up the interest level.

Count me in that group. It's seriously a clown car of one letdown after another. I'm probably taking the grandson to the zoo tomorrow.

Getting rid of my season tickets may be one of the most rational decisions I’ve made as an adult. 😀

It’s the same story every year, huge offseason hype. Most talented team on paper they’ve ever had! Inevitably, they manage to puke all over themselves.

I feel basically the same as the four posts above. Though I think that point came for me during the crumbling of the 2014 season after Hoyer's 7-4 start.

However, as hard as I've tried or promises I've made to myself to stay away from the TV on Sundays (including Hue's years), I find myself sitting in my chair watching the whole game. I've turned it off a few times during the 4th quarter, but that's the exception. When 10am rolls around (even when it was obvious we were going to lose going in), the self-loathing and masochism amps up I guess.

The worst part is that I gave up drinking years ago which, of course, has made the entire situation clearer.