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there is a large faction of libtards who support terrorism and advocate for the killing of jews.

And yet another conspiracy theory hits the streets with no proof showing true facts. Pfft typical Goper finger pointing willynilly


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This is why I've always questioned the energy behind supporting Israel. Nobody has the moral high-ground, but yet you're an anti-semite if you start asking questions. With the Ukraine war as the background (and all the wrangling involved in sending them help), it's just weird to me the difference in responses.


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And yet another post that complains about not showing "true facts" while showing no "true facts." It's an argument one expects from a pre-teen. Let me point the finger while complaining about finger pointing. rolleyes

While we can quibble on how "large," there is a not insignificant amount of people that seem to be supporting terrorism and advocating for killing Jews. Just because you don't want to associate them with your group, doesn't mean they don't exist. Illustrations/"facts" have been linked on the boards.

At the same time, I don't think name calling does anything to help the situation on the other side, either.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
This is why I've always questioned the energy behind supporting Israel. Nobody has the moral high-ground, but yet you're an anti-semite if you start asking questions. With the Ukraine war as the background (and all the wrangling involved in sending them help), it's just weird to me the difference in responses.

One side is purposefully torturing women and children. The other is being indiscriminate in response to straight up vile actions. I don't like either. There is no excuse for the first.

I'm fine with asking questions, but ultimately for me it comes back to Hamas condoning/praising the indefensible. I feel obliged to lean towards the other side.

It's not Israel vs Palestine. It's Israel vs Hamas, and Hamas is using regular Palestinians as human shields. Unfortunately, terrorists have effectively taken an entire region hostage.


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Hamas was counting on people like AOC to lose focus and start blaming Israel. Giving in now is the same as giving into terrorists.


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You're never going to see me tearing down those posters of missing Israeli's or anything like that. And I was talking about supporting Israel over the years (it's definitely easier to do now).

Just an observation of mine when I heard Blinken speak that first time. I found it odd hearing, in no uncertain terms, about how we've 100% got Israel's back (a carrier group had already arrived on-site) when we're struggling to get Ukraine equipment. I would think supporting Ukraine/NATO would be more pragmatic than adding to what we've already given Israel... knowing full well how they've been treating Gaza over the years.

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Originally Posted by FATE
There are only two boxes on the liberal flowchart.

The first one can be anything from climate change to aliens.

The second one is 100% always "TRUMP!!!"

Who is the leading candidate to win the Republican nomination in 2024 again? Who is it Republicans last elected president again? I know you wish to silence anyone who points out your own hypocrisy but that isn't going to work. You own it.

Now let's recap. The civilian population in Palestine are not Hamas. The women and children in Gaza are not Hamas. No more than the innocent civilians of Israel are members of the IDF or responsible for what the Israeli government has and is doing to the Palestinian civilians.

It seems some wish to pick and choose which women, children and elderly people should be slaughtered based on where they live, who their government is and what their religion is. Innocent people are innocent. And they should all be protected.

And if you wish to bring up antisemitism, nothing is any more antisemitic than this. When white nationalists marched across the campus in Charlottesville chanting "Jews will not replace us!". Only one person made a claim as outrageous as this......"There are very fine people on both sides.”

No wonder you want to silence anyone from saying that. Manning up to reality isn't your strong suit. It would be better if you could blame the people calling you on your BS.


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You’re going to need better material, Eve. I enjoy sparring with you from time to time, but I show up with bullets and you show up with barstool babble… Step it up kid.

Democrats with bullets, a sure sign of the apocalypse.

Not really. I've been telling them to prepare for over a decade. I saw all of this coming long ago. It began with the tea party. I knew at some point we would have to defend America from an overthrow coming from within. Trying to overthrow our election was the opening salvo. The beginning, not the end. You would be very surprised by how many liberals are preparing for the obvious.


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When one can no longer come up with a cognitive argument on their own they try to rely on something artificial to produce one for them. Key word "artificial".


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Originally Posted by Swish
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I’m not liking the IDF’s tactics. Essentially bombing Gaza isn’t doing anything but creating more Hamas militants. They should’ve done a ground invasion from the very beginning instead of targeted bombing, especially because there’s zero chance of avoiding civilian casualties in an urban environment if you’re bombing the place.

IDF is doing the same thing Hamas is doing, making no one have the moral high ground. Should have been ground invasion from the jump, kicking down doors, and gaining valuable intel at the same time. Hell, if they started with ground forces, I would support some American troops joining in because we have 20 years of doing exactly that in Afghanistan and Iraq.

IDF has struck a church in Gaza, because people forget there are plenty of Palestinian Christian’s there as well. Former Republican rep Amash announced that some relatives were killed sheltering in a church that was struck by IDF bombing. But this is what happens when you decide to link everybody’s ethnicity with their religion; you no longer can tell - or WANT to tell - the difference.

Y’all know I have no problem with military engagements, but I have big issues with responding to civilian casualties by purposely targeting civilians. This is similar to the indiscriminate bombing Russia has been doing to Ukrainian civilians, except they are the aggressors from the start.

Other than getting American ground troops involved we agree 100% and this is exactly what I've been saying from the very beginning. Israel has an overwhelming military in comparison to Hamas not only in troops but in equipment. From every estimate I've seen there have between 300 and 360 thousand troops ready to go into Gaza. That's more troops than we had deployed in both Iraq and Afghanistan at any one point during the wars combined.

Bombs can't target who they're killing. Soldiers can.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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There are only two boxes on the liberal flowchart.

The first one can be anything from climate change to aliens.

The second one is 100% always "TRUMP!!!"

Who is the leading candidate to win the Republican nomination in 2024 again? Who is it Republicans last elected president again? I know you wish to silence anyone who points out your own hypocrisy but that isn't going to work. You own it.

Now let's recap. The civilian population in Palestine are not Hamas. The women and children in Gaza are not Hamas. No more than the innocent civilians of Israel are members of the IDF or responsible for what the Israeli government has and is doing to the Palestinian civilians.

It seems some wish to pick and choose which women, children and elderly people should be slaughtered based on where they live, who their government is and what their religion is. Innocent people are innocent. And they should all be protected.

And if you wish to bring up antisemitism, nothing is any more antisemitic than this. When white nationalists marched across the campus in Charlottesville chanting "Jews will not replace us!". Only one person made a claim as outrageous as this......"There are very fine people on both sides.”

No wonder you want to silence anyone from saying that. Manning up to reality isn't your strong suit. It would be better if you could blame the people calling you on your BS.

I thought I was commenting on a post from OCD comparing some Neo Nazis chanting about Jews during a march in Charlottesville... in 2016.

Oh wait, I was.

Also, since your response was all about Trump while ignoring the actual conversation, you did a damned fine job of proving my point.

Thanks for playing.


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The conversation was concerning antisemitism. How some of you only want to point the finger in the direction of Democrats in this thread. Every neo Nazi and white supremacist group in America supports the Republican party. You're welcome.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
You're never going to see me tearing down those posters of missing Israeli's or anything like that. And I was talking about supporting Israel over the years (it's definitely easier to do now).

Just an observation of mine when I heard Blinken speak that first time. I found it odd hearing, in no uncertain terms, about how we've 100% got Israel's back (a carrier group had already arrived on-site) when we're struggling to get Ukraine equipment. I would think supporting Ukraine/NATO would be more pragmatic than adding to what we've already given Israel... knowing full well how they've been treating Gaza over the years.

We don't think about Russian terrorist attacks on US soil. We do think about 9/11. Israel is one of our few allies in that region.

I think "Islamic terrorism" is seen as a more immediate threat to most Americans.

I'm not trying to knock your observation. Just providing an additional perspective.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Bombs can't target who they're killing. Soldiers can.

Bombs can't be killed. Soldiers can.

Just saying. There aren't easy solutions for taking out entrenched combatants hidden amongst civilian populations.


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You’re going to need better material, Eve. I enjoy sparring with you from time to time, but I show up with bullets and you show up with barstool babble… Step it up kid.

Democrats with bullets, a sure sign of the apocalypse.

Not really. I've been telling them to prepare for over a decade. I saw all of this coming long ago. It began with the tea party. I knew at some point we would have to defend America from an overthrow coming from within. Trying to overthrow our election was the opening salvo. The beginning, not the end. You would be very surprised by how many liberals are preparing for the obvious.

There's a reason I put it in purple.

No, I wouldn't be surprised. The increase in violence and violent rhetoric on both sides is easy to see.

You say, its "the beginning, not the end." I say its been coming for a long time and this might have been (or may be) the beginning of the end.


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Hamas was counting on people like AOC to lose focus and start blaming Israel. Giving in now is the same as giving into terrorists.

What the hell did AOC do? You always drop her name like she’s the evil queen in your fairy tale.

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She did nothing. Gopers just hate women in general and anything to do with women’s rights. So minority women in power get the brunt of their hate.


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Hamas was counting on people like AOC to lose focus and start blaming Israel. Giving in now is the same as giving into terrorists.

What the hell did AOC do? You always drop her name like she’s the evil queen in your fairy tale.

She has been calling out Israel time and time again. Hamas is the problem the squad cannot seem to figure that out.


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Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
She did nothing. Gopers just hate women in general and anything to do with women’s rights. So minority women in power get the brunt of their hate.

Libtards hate women too. Dressing up a man in a dress and calling it a woman. Putting dudes in womens lockerrooms. Taking over womens sports and spaces. Shame on you.

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rofl nice rant. must be happy hour.


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rofl nice rant. must be happy hour.

Well, you certainly sound like youve been drinking.

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Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
And yet another post that complains about not showing "true facts" while showing no "true facts." It's an argument one expects from a pre-teen. Let me point the finger while complaining about finger pointing. rolleyes

While we can quibble on how "large," there is a not insignificant amount of people that seem to be supporting terrorism and advocating for killing Jews. Just because you don't want to associate them with your group, doesn't mean they don't exist. Illustrations/"facts" have been linked on the boards.

At the same time, I don't think name calling does anything to help the situation on the other side, either.

Name one…ONE…democrat law maker on capitol hill not fully backing Israel? Facts bro. I can name a lot of republicans not wanting to back Ukraine.


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Tlaib? Omar?

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Originally Posted by EveDawg
Tlaib? Omar?
? What’s that?


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Tlaib? Omar?
? What’s that?


You dont even know your own Dems. saywhat

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Yes I do. And you forgot Elison and Carson. Yeah all Muslims hate Jews. notallthere Lol pfft.


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And yet another post that complains about not showing "true facts" while showing no "true facts." It's an argument one expects from a pre-teen. Let me point the finger while complaining about finger pointing. rolleyes

While we can quibble on how "large," there is a not insignificant amount of people that seem to be supporting terrorism and advocating for killing Jews. Just because you don't want to associate them with your group, doesn't mean they don't exist. Illustrations/"facts" have been linked on the boards.

At the same time, I don't think name calling does anything to help the situation on the other side, either.

Name one…ONE…democrat law maker on capitol hill not fully backing Israel? Facts bro. I can name a lot of republicans not wanting to back Ukraine.


You said name ONE. I named TWO. Libtards pfffft

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And how do you know they aren’t backing Israel?


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And how do you know they aren’t backing Israel?

Go read about it, or be in complete denial of reality. I linked articles spelling it in crayon for you. Im sorry your education level isnt higher than preschool.

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The reason I put our troops on the ground is because they have American hostages. If it wasn’t for that, then yes Israel can handle that.


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The reason I put our troops on the ground is because they have American hostages. If it wasn’t for that, then yes Israel can handle that.

This story indicates that the USA does have seat at Israel's table, looking out for what is best for our people (hostages and negotiators).

Pentagon rushes defenses and advisers to Middle East as Israel’s ground assault in Gaza looms
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Originally Posted by Swish
The reason I put our troops on the ground is because they have American hostages. If it wasn’t for that, then yes Israel can handle that.

And there are currently as many as 600 Americans in Gaza that can't get out as Israel bombs the hell out of it...........

Trapped in Gaza for 2 weeks, hundreds of American citizens still not able to leave

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Doing some reading on the modern history of Gaza, it’s interesting that these underground tunnel networks were actually more successful and profitable when Israel decided to start their blockade.

It’s like middle eastern version of America’s drug war; all they did was strengthened Hamas and made them more powerful and prosperous.


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The 85 year old woman who was released described being taken into the tunnels and described them as being like a spider web. It pretty much tells you where Hamas is hiding right now as the bombs destroy Gaza.


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Originally Posted by Swish
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Doing some reading on the modern history of Gaza, it’s interesting that these underground tunnel networks were actually more successful and profitable when Israel decided to start their blockade.

It’s like middle eastern version of America’s drug war; all they did was strengthened Hamas and made them more powerful and prosperous.


Is there a running theory of the actual effect airstrikes/missiles have on a group that mostly operates out of a tunnel system like this? Based on my very limited understanding of a conflict like this, it sounds like the current strategy minimizes damage to Hamas while maximizing collateral damage (to civilians).


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That's the way it appears to a lot of people. And it seems to be something not all that difficult to understand. If in fact the goal is to get back all the hostages in Gaza, how would Israel bombing Gaza with hundreds of strikes a day not be killing those hostages? But if you know they're underground that's a situation you don't have to be concerned about. Either Israel is purposefully risking killing many of those hostages or they understand that they're underground with Hamas and that risk is very small.

The last lady who was released explained they were all underground in an elaborate tunnel system that was like a spiderweb. Surely people don't take Hamas as being so stupid as staying above ground when they have a safe place to hide.


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I would think the air strikes don't have much effect, unless they are using bunker busters or something of that nature.

What'll be interesting to see is how Israel shuts the tunnel system down. It would actually be fairly easy without hostages, but taking the hostages into consideration makes it immensely difficult. It really depends on what level of collateral damage they are comfortable with.


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