DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Israel at war continues.

Just like Trump, you whine and play silly games, but never fixed a damn thing and are wrong about everything you open your mouth about. GOPers, lmfao.

We all understand the difference between collateral damage and intentionally targeting civilians, right?

They said to go to the southern part of gaza. Its not hard.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...fter-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/

Except when it is.

And they are also bombing in southern Gaza.

Strikes on south Gaza: BBC verifies attacks in areas of ‘safety’

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67264703

You know, the place you said Israel told them to go in order to "be safe".

I had no idea that intentionally targeting areas with huge civilian populations was considered collateral damage. Because that's exactly what has been happening.

Hamas hides among civilians, which makes them targets.

So according to your own link Israel told people to go somewhere to be safe when they're not safe there. I find it odd that nobody seems to want to hold them accountable for saying that. Instead they post excuses for what they told the Palestinian civilians isn't true. Telling millions of people to go to a location in order to be safe and then bombing the area you told them to go to should be simple enough to see.

Of course they're going to make excuses for that. What else can they do at that point?

And you do realize that if they sent troops in there they could tell the difference between armed men and children right? Instead they use bombs. Bombs can't tell the difference and kill them all. Many more civilians than the actual enemy.

Its what you get when Hamas terrorists use people as human shields. Perhaps Palestinians shouldnt have voted them into power or hid in the same buildings they are in. Israel has said they will destroy Hamas no matter what.

The Palestinians haven't had an election in 15 years. What proof do you have that "Palestinians are hiding them"? It would seem easy to understand that unarmed civilians have zero say in where Hamas decides to hide. But hey, we need excuses, right? And the "no matter what" is the problem. There's a way to do that with far less civilian casualties and they, as well as you it appears don't care about children and families. That's the same way Hamas felt on October 7th.

Reread the article. Or stop being obtuse. Israel said they will target anywhere Hamas exists. That includes targets in the south. If Hamas is staying in apartments (USING CIVILIANS AS HUMAN SHIELDS), only stupid people would stay there with them.

You mean AFTER they told the Palestinians to go to southern Gaza to be safe. And obviously they will kill as many civilians as it takes to kill even one Hamas soldier. It seems you tend to believe that if a single Hamas operative is hiding out in an apartment building everyone living in that building must know, right? So that means they all deserve to die, right? Sometimes I don't think you even hear yourself.

Why do you keep avoiding the fact they could send soldiers in these places to kill Hamas while killing far less civilians and still making excuses for that?

I didnt say any of those things you said. Stop putting imaginary words in my mouth. I simply told you WHY Israel is bombing targets in southern gaza. They are Hamas targets.

Which is the reasoning they came up with AFTER they told the Palestinians to go to that area to be safe. So they decided that after sending them there to be safe they would bomb it anyway. Sounds about right.

Pretty sure they said they will wipe out Hamas since the very begining.

And a lot of Palestinians most of which would be easily avoidable along the way. That's the issue here.

Collateral damage. Dont start wars if you dont want to die.

You're conflating a couple things here.

Hamas started the war. Israel condemned their brutality. Hamas doesn't care who dies. Israel claims moral high ground while racking up a bodycount that's going to make Hamas' attacks look like nothing. That's in addition to what they've done to Palestinians for decades.

I do believe that Israel's gotta do what it's gotta do... but this whole vibe that they are above any criticism is really dumb.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12703453/Hamas-killers-roasted-babies-oven.html

This doesnt look like nothing.

In spades.

And every innocent that they kill and maim - and there are 1000's - is going to cultivate one or two future extremists. All they are doing is perpetuating a circle of hate and violence and extremism.

That would happen anyways. Palastinians teach their school children to hate Israel and to kill Jews if they see them.

No. But you carry on.

https://new.reddit.com/r/IsraelHama..._sharing_what_they_are_taught_in_school/

Yes. Dont be gulible.

Hamas also built a bunker under a hospital

huge no no

Eve, is this a tryout for the ANTI Squad? Lmao.

Look, nobody wants to hurt innocent civilians but terrorists. However, when you are the population said terrorists hide among, you should expect to pay a price for their vicious attack on INNOCENT CIVILIANS. I get what you are saying, Eve, and actually agree. But that’s as far as I go because I won’t come right out and say middle eastern Muslims mean less to me. People are people is the way to look at it. Unfortunately for the Palestinians, their HAMAS leaders are in fact terrorists and should be hunted and killed to the man for what they did. There is no good answer, so either stay out of it or pick a side. My side is the one where all the terrorists die. I pick that side.

We have to remember who started this round.

When you finally have to kill rats, poison is pretty much the only way.

I am not talking about 1-2 rats hanging out around the dumpster. Simple traps can take care of that. I am talking an infestation. Poison works great, but it kills other things as well.

Here we have folks shooting rockets, then slipping back to the village selling their rugs or whatever. Sooner of later people get tired of setting a few traps here and there and finally say F it and just poison and burn the entire hillside. It's the only way to exterminate them.

You and I are on the same side on this one.

We could keep the camparison to vermon out of the debate about human lives.. just saying.

I wasn't calling them that. Just making an illustrative comparison as to how the situations are similar.

Reps. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) and Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) were the only GOP lawmakers opposed to the emergency funding bill...
https://nypost.com/2023/11/02/news/house-passes-14-3-billion-in-aid-for-israel-to-help-fight-hamas/

IDF has killed far more civilians than Hamas fighters, to the point that one can make a solid argument that the civilians are the targets.

To everyone whining about Hamas hiding within the civilian population: duh. Where have you been for the last 20 years while we were already in the desert?

Do you know what would RIGHTFULLY happen to me if I was in Iraq, let the 50 cal shred a hospital or mosque that had 50 civilians in there because there were MAYBE 5-6 insurgents hiding in there?

Straight to prison. Again, a well deserved sentence, because how could anybody justify having a mass amount of civilian deaths compared to a handful of actual combatants?

That would make me the terrorist, no?

Oh well - it's on the internet - it must be true.

There's only one supremely gullible person here. I could try educating you on the Palastinians but it'd be a waste of my time clearly.

There's plenty to argue and debate that Isreal is committing war crimes with what they have done.

It doesn't make what hamas did any less evil and attrocious. But we do actually have legal definitions of what is allowable in war - they apply whether it's Ukraine fighting off Russia, the US responding to 911 or an other miliatary response/operation.

For context:

At least 9,061 Palestinians have been killed in the war, mostly women and minors, and more than 32,000 people have been wounded, the Gaza Health Ministry said Thursday, without providing a breakdown between civilians and fighters. The death toll is without precedent in decades of Israeli-Palestinian violence.

Over 1,400 people have died on the Israeli side, mainly civilians killed during Hamas’ initial attack, also an unprecedented figure.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-2-2023-6a398d4aeba979aef24960efc31eb772#:~:text=At%20least%209%2C061%20Palestinians%20have,decades%20of%20Israeli%2DPalestinian%20violence.

I have not heard of the Israel military killing a husband, throwing a baby in the oven, and gang raping the mom beside the same oven while her baby is being burnt alive. That is the kind of animals Israel is dealing with. Those same people are using the Palestinian people as human shields, and they are responsible for the Democracy that is Israel coming down on them. Hamas is to blame here! No one else. They are the elected government of Palestine. They are in control and choose to put the citizens in harm's way. They had no regard for Israeli life, and they have no regard for Palestinians lives either.

Most "good guys" try to avoid killing the "hostages." Israel appears to be instead treating them as cannon fodder. You haven't heard about Israel's bad actions most likely because of the "news" outlets you choose. I'm not saying that Hamas are the good guys, but it seems more and more that there are just two bad groups killing anyone that gets in their way, or they disagree with, or simply isn't them.

So it's not that Israel is killing a mass amounts of women and children. It that they're using bombs to do it? A more humane way of slaughtering civilians? Israel has always had the choice of using ground troops to go in and destroy Hamas rather than bombing the crap out of the civilian population. They have chosen to kill thousands of innocent Palestinians. At least own that and stop blaming others for it.

Well said. This is a better way than how I was trying to explain.