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This is the truth that many do not know. Bennett is also a political rival of Benjamin Netanyahu.


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Hopefully you're being ironic because there's absolutely nothing in that whatsoever.


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This is response to you and OCD:

This is what we train for. Just because our enemy doesn’t operate based on the Geneva convention doesn’t mean we get to fall short of the standard. That’s like saying because china is polluting the planet, the US shouldn’t try to reduce our carbon footprint either. Just because Hamas doesn’t give a damn about civilian casualties doesn’t mean we shouldn’t either.

This idea about ‘sending a message’ in the Middle East of all places is highly ignorant. Sorry for using that word OCD, but it’s perfectly applicable in this specific case. Send what message? That we’re willing to let our ally do whatever they want -war crimes be damned- cause….why exactly?

The only message being sent to the Middle East is that the US is fully engaged in a holy war against Islam. If you think that message is gonna deter anything, I dunno what else to say. You’re talking about people in the Gaza Strip who literally own nothing, guys. They have NOTHING to lose. They don’t control their own water supply, energy supply, anything! What message could we possibly send that will be useful long term?

Were soldiers. We train for crap like this. We develop tactics for crap like this. Yes, there’s a chance we get hurt or worse, but that’s the position we play. IDF needs to pick themselves up by the bootstraps and start kicking down doors and going through those tunnels inch by inch.

Because the reality is we are combatants, this is our freaking job. Yes, there’s a high chance of casualties with military personnel on the ground, but that’s the inherent risk we take to reduce civilian casualties.


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And this is a serious question; if you knew a known child murderer, rapist, and war criminal was hiding behind his wife and kids to avoid punishment, would you call off the police raid? This is basically what HAMAS counts on, our western sense of morality and ethics. Meanwhile, by our standards, they act completely amoral and ruthless. It’s an impossible war without blameless people on either side. I know Israel is far from innocent or without blame, but they are our allies and a democracy. Then you have Palestine, a Muslim radical theocracy or a terroristic hardline Muslim government… either way, I have to have Israels back on this one.

The police could go in with non-lethal rounds. If the perpetrator kills his family, it's on him. If the cops kill the family, it's on them. Just because dropping a bomb on the house would be easier doesn't make it right. Some times the right thing is hard and dangerous. The Israelis should have the "armor of God," though, right?

So you've got to back the "child murderer and war criminal" because he's your ally?

If one of my friends was killing kids and committing war crimes, he'd stop being my friend. I'd likely try to get "him" help, but I don't need that evil in my life.

People/countries/religions change. Israel seems to have changed for the worse. Excusing bad behavior is unlikely to have positive results.


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Israel-Gaza conflict: Deepening concern for civilians, as UN school is hit

“Dozens were injured (including UNRWA staff) and severe structural damage was caused to the school", he said. "The numbers are likely to be higher. This is outrageous, and it again shows a flagrant disregard for the lives of civilians."

No place is safe in Gaza anymore, he warned, stressing that it was hit as Israeli airstrikes and bombardment continues.
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“At least 4,000 people have taken refuge in this UNRWA school turned shelter. They had and still have nowhere else to go."

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He said that the agency has provided the coordinates of its facilities to "relevant parties" on a daily basis.

The UN human rights office (OHCHR) issued a fresh alert on Tuesday for civilians left in northern Gaza, amid ongoing military operations in the enclave ahead of an anticipated full-scale Israeli response to Hamas’s 7 October attack.

The past 10 days of conflict have claimed the lives of 4,200 people, forced more than one million individuals to flee their homes following an order from the Israeli authorities and left large areas in the Gaza Strip “reduced to rubble”, according to the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR).
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In New York on Monday morning, the Assistant Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs, Joyce Msuya, briefed Member States on the Gaza crisis, and said the situation "can only be described as an utter catastrophe."

She added that as every hour passes, the restoration of essential supplies and services, "becomes every more critical."

She said the UN would continue to identify urgent solutions for getting aid into Gaza.

“We have grave fears about the toll on civilians in the coming days,” said OHCHR spokesperson Ravina Shamdasani in Geneva, “with military operations showing no signs of abating, a continued siege on Gaza affecting water supply, food, medicines and other basic needs and daily indications of violations of international humanitarian law and international human rights law.”

UN Secretary-General António Guterres will travel to the Egyptian capital Cairo, arriving on Thursday his Spokesperson announced at his daily briefing in New York, to engage with President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi on the Gaza crisis.

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In southern Gaza where a humanitarian emergency is already playing out, UN relief agencies reiterated their call for a secure and reliable humanitarian corridor to deliver stockpiled aid into the Occupied Territory.

Both Egypt and Israel have faced multiple calls from the UN and international community to protect non-combatants impacted by the war.

“We call for unimpeded access, safe passage for desperately needed humanitarian supplies to Gaza,” said Abeer Etefa, UN World Food Programme (WFP) Regional Communications Lead for the Middle East and North Africa. Some 300 tonnes of food “are either at or on the way to the Egyptian border in Rafah”, said Ms. Etefa. “That's enough to feed around a quarter million people for one week."

According to OHCHR, “a large number” of women and children are among the dead in Gaza, as well as at least 11 Palestinian journalists, 28 medical staff and 14 UN colleagues.
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“It remains unclear how many more bodies may be buried in the rubble – with many families missing loved ones, terrified about their uncertain fate,” Ms. Shamdasani said, speaking in Geneva.

Echoing urgent warnings from the UN agency for Palestinian refugees UNRWA about the desperate situation in Gaza amid heavy Israeli bombardments, from the air, sea and land, humanitarians echoed deep concern that healthcare facilities had been targeted - raising concerns about medical care for the injured, including pregnant women and those with chronic health issues.

Additionally, civilians attempting to relocate to southern Gaza have been struck and killed by explosive weapons, demanding urgent and independent investigation, OHCHR says.

The world body has called for an immediate humanitarian pause to facilitate aid delivery and prevent further suffering.

Strict compliance with the laws of war and the protection of civilians is essential to prevent further loss of life in this dire crisis, Ms Shamdasani said.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142432

I suppose this must be some sort of preemptive strike to get children before they can grow up and join Hamas.



And they told Palestinians to go to southern Gaza to "be safe". This appears to be an odd definition of the word safe.


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I actually don't disagree with his point regarding the need to eliminate Hamas, either. I'm marrying the importance of being equally resolute, if not more so, in Ukraine. Supporting one and not the other is contradictory.


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But that's where they try and write the defining line. No matter how many times you explain that ground troops could identify their targets and help greatly reduce civilian casualties yet Israel continues to, by all measures one can see, indiscriminately bomb Gaza killing so many innocent people, they make it sound like you don't support Israel wiping out Hamas.

And the most odd thing I find about it is that Swish, who has fought in battle has explained how nations are taught to fight wars. That there are rules of engagement for wars. That there is a difference between Terrorists and civilized nations. Israel agreed to and signed the Geneva Conventions and the subsequent updates of the agreement. All one really has to do is read what Israel agreed to in order to know it in no way represents what they're doing....

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml


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As Israeli jets devastate Gaza, air force photos show fighter aircraft armed with what look like unguided 'dumb' bombs

https://www.businessinsider.com/isr...-aircraft-armed-unguided-weapons-2023-10

It's a very long article but worth the read.


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https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-30

On average 134 children are dying each day in Gaza.

1.5 million people displaced.

No electicity since October 12th.

Essential food to be depleted in 2-3 days.

All of these things are wrong - and it's actually okay to call out what Hamas did as evil and vile and also highlight that the response and 10,000 lives of which the majority are innocent women and children - is also wrong.


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Don't start a war and you won't have that problem.

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So you have an excuse why Israel is choosing to kill more civilians than they need to. Keeping innocent children from having water and medical supplies. And it's someone elses fault they are making that choice. So much for being pro life huh? And then people wonder why they're accused of only being in support of pro birth and not pro life. Israel has a choice to cut down on the number of civilian casualties and allow these Palestinian citizens to have water, food and medical supplies. They have chosen not to. So much for all of that droning on a bout personal responsibility.


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blah blah blah pacifist tears.

Don't start wars and then cry when your ass is handed to you.

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Once again you lie but then that's all you have left. All along I've supported Israel destroy Hamas. But you can accomplish that with ground troops. Troops can actually see what they're shooting at and identify their target. Bombs can not. In case you missed it, that isn't being a pacifist. Palestinian civilians didn't start a war with Israel. Hamas did. It's fine to have Hamas get their asses handed to them. That's no excuse to not allow humanitarian aid to civilians. I know you're having trouble comprehending this, but that's two different things.


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Blah blah blah pacifist tears pffft

Dont start wars and then cry when your ass is handed to you.

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I see what killing innocent civilians means to you. "Blah, blah blah". That helps explain a lot.


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Over 400 Americans and their family members depart Gaza: State Department

More than 400 Americans and their family members have now been able to exit Gaza through the Rafah border crossing, according to the State Department.

"We have assisted more than 400 U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents, and other eligible individuals to depart Gaza," State Department principal deputy spokesperson Vedant Patel said on Tuesday.

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I'm glad they have gotten those Americans out of the place Israel was bombing. Because you know, bombing where Americans are is nothing but "Blah, blah, blah"? I guess they must be some of those people Eve feels should have been getting their ass kicked too just like Palestinian civilians?


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Americans who hang out in Gaza are stupid. But I'm glad they got out.

But keep on with your pacifist tears from the river to the sea.

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Originally Posted by EveDawg
blah blah blah pacifist tears.

Don't start wars and then cry when your ass is handed to you.

The "war" has been going on for a long time. The two sides/toddlers are throwing tantrums, and any and everyone caught near them is paying the price. Hamas and the new Gestapo/Israeli government can kill each other all they want without me shedding too many tears. Anyone killing kids or supporting such actions can get bent. I just wish they'd go ahead and face each other instead of catching bystanders in the crossfire as they try to hide from each other while firing blindly. Morally shallow cowards the lot of them.


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The Palestinians elected Hamas to be their political leadership..

Elections have consequences and that is what happens when your political leadership vows to destroy and then attacks those who they wish to destroy.

But yes, you need to minimize the deaths of non combatants.


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It is always important to remember who is responsible here. Hamas! The Palestinian people celebrated in the streets when Hamas terrorists returned with dead Israeli soldiers, with captives many women and children. They elected Hamas as their leaders. The civilians that do not support Hamas have been victims of Hamas. They have been tortured for years by these terrorists. I believe Israel is not committing genocide as the antisemitic crowd wants us to believe but rather liberating the [Palestinian people from their true captures Hamas. Wake up!


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The Palestinians elected Hamas to be their political leadership..

Elections have consequences and that is what happens when your political leadership vows to destroy and then attacks those who they wish to destroy.

That was 15 years ago. Hamas hasn't allowed an election since then.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
It is always important to remember who is responsible here.

Each side is responsible for their own actions. When Israel chooses the path of war that kills the most innocent civilians, that's on them. Claiming one side is acting barbaric while excusing the other side for the same thing is your fault and nobody elses. Everyone keep talking about "they elected them". That was 15 years ago and Hamas has not allowed an election since. As you would say, "wake up!"

But that seems to be your go to line. Anyone not wanting more and more civilians to be slaughtered must be "antisemitic". And here I actually thought not wanting to see innocent children slaughtered for the actions of others was a Christian principal.

It's not just Palestinian children I don't want to see slaughtered. It's all children I don't want to see slaughtered. I don't pick and choose.


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All one has to do is look at the Palestinian charter. They refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, and they refuse to recognize any diplomatic resolution toward peace. Their stated goal is to wipe the state of Israel off the map through armed conflict. Here are a few snippets:

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"It is a national duty to bring up individual Palestinians in an Arab revolutionary manner. All means of information and education must be adopted in order to acquaint the Palestinian with his country in the most profound manner, both spiritual and material, that is possible. He must be prepared for the armed struggle and ready to sacrifice his wealth and his life in order to win back his homeland and bring about its liberation.

"Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase. The Palestinian Arab people assert their absolute determination and firm resolution to continue their armed struggle and to work for an armed popular revolution for the liberation of their country and their return to it ".

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All one has to do is look at the Palestinian charter. They refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, and they refuse to recognize any diplomatic resolution toward peace. Their stated goal is to wipe the state of Israel off the map through armed conflict. Here are a few snippets:

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"It is a national duty to bring up individual Palestinians in an Arab revolutionary manner. All means of information and education must be adopted in order to acquaint the Palestinian with his country in the most profound manner, both spiritual and material, that is possible. He must be prepared for the armed struggle and ready to sacrifice his wealth and his life in order to win back his homeland and bring about its liberation.

"Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase. The Palestinian Arab people assert their absolute determination and firm resolution to continue their armed struggle and to work for an armed popular revolution for the liberation of their country and their return to it ".

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/plocov.asp

Look up the Oslo I Accord. It was signed in 1993 and contradicts your claim that they "refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist." That charter you're quoting was written in 1967 and most of the people involved "grew up" before the modern state of Israel was established. If the UN decided to make a Palestinian state in Ohio against the will of Ohioans, people that lived there would probably be pissed for a couple decades, too (more likely indefinitely.)


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Although Arafat and Abbas have agreed to amend the charter, it still remains in it's 1968 form AFAIK.


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Blinken says ‘far too many’ Palestinians have died as Israel wages relentless war on Hamas

NEW DELHI (AP) — U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Friday that “far too many” Palestinians have died and suffered as Israel wages a relentless war against the militant Hamas group in the Gaza Strip. He urged Israel to minimize harm to civilians and maximize humanitarian assistance that reaches them.

Speaking to reporters in New Delhi, Blinken said recent Israeli moves to improve dire conditions in Gaza as its military pushes deeper into the strip — including pauses in military operations to allow Palestinians to move from northern to southern Gaza and the creation of a second safe corridor — are positive but they are not nearly enough.

“Much more needs to be done to protect civilians and to make sure that humanitarian assistance reaches them,” he said. “Far too many Palestinians have been killed, far too many have suffered these past weeks, and we want to do everything possible to prevent harm to them and to maximize the assistance that gets to them.”

Blinken spoke as he wrapped up an intense nine-day diplomatic tour of the Middle East and Asia — his second frenetic Mideast trip since the war began with Hamas’ deadly incursion into southern Israel on Oct. 7.

In Hamas-run Gaza, the Health Ministry said Friday that the Palestinian death in the coastal strip toll has surpassed 11,000 people. More than 1,400 people have been killed in Israel, mainly in the initial Hamas attack.

Blinken’s tour focused largely on the war amid growing international outrage over the destruction wrought on Gaza and demands for an immediate cease-fire. Neither Israel nor the United States support a cease-fire because they argue Hamas would take advantage of it to regroup and launch new terror attacks.

Blinken said the U.S. has come up with additional proposals how better to protect civilians but did not elaborate.

U.S. officials have said they would like to see Israel introduce longer “humanitarian pauses” in areas beyond the two established safe passage and exponentially expand the amount of assistance getting into Gaza from Egypt by increasing the flow of truck convoys.

The U.S. also remains resolute to secure the release of Israeli and other hostages held by Hamas, get all foreigners who want to leave Gaza out, prevent the violence from spreader to the broader region, and to begin planning for what a post-conflict Gaza will look like, Blinken said.

Starting last week, Blinken’s marathon mission took him to eight countries — Israel, Jordan, Cyprus, Iraq, Turkey, Japan, South Korea and India — as well as the occupied West Bank. But as he did on his previous Mideast tour last month, he encountered skepticism and outright resistance.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Tel Aviv last Friday rejected the idea of “humanitarian pauses,” saying military pressure on Hamas could not be eased.

“We are going full steam ahead,” Netanyahu said shortly after Blinken warned that Palestinians were being driven toward further radicalism that could perpetuate the unresolved Israeli-Palestinian conflict and leave Israel at greater risk.

Then, Arab foreign ministers accused Israel of war crimes, demanding nothing less than an immediate full-on cease-fire and dismissing Blinken’s call for post-conflict planning as naïve and premature while civilian deaths were rising.

“The Arab countries demand an immediate cease-fire that will end this war,” Jordanian Foreign Minister Ayman al-Safadi told Blinken in Amman on Saturday.

Diplomatically, things weren’t looking much better.

During Blinken’s trip, both Jordan and Turkey recalled their ambassadors to Israel in protest and made clear that Israeli envoys to their countries would not be welcomed back until the conflict was over.

Over the weekend, massive pro-Palestinian demonstrations against the war and U.S. support for Israel rocked capitals around the world, fueling fears of unrest amid a global spike in both antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents.

By the time Blinken had visited Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah, made a brief stop in Cyprus, and flown on to Iraq and Turkey on Sunday, it appeared he had won little, if any, support for most of his proposals.

Privately, however, U.S. officials said they were making headway with Netanyahu on the humanitarian pauses and increased aid to Gaza and that the Arab states would in the interim support temporary pauses.

Leaving Ankara on Monday, Blinken acknowledged his efforts remained “a work in progress” while U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations, insisted prospects for at least some success were not so bleak.

In Tokyo on Tuesday, where Blinken attended a Japanese-hosted meeting of foreign ministers from the Group of Seven leading industrial democracies, there were fears that the bloc, which has overcome differences to remain united against Russia’s war in Ukraine, might split over the Middle East.

Both Japan and France, along with the European Union, had taken less forceful stances in support of Israel. The French had voted in favor of a U.N. Security Council resolution demanding a cease-fire that the U.S. has vetoed. The other G7 members had all abstained on a similar but non-binding General Assembly resolution that the U.S. had voted against.

Behind the scenes, U.S. officials said momentum was shifting.

Israeli officials were beginning to warm to the idea that temporary rolling pauses could both benefit Israel militarily and show its willingness to ease civilian hardship. In the meantime, Arab leaders, including Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammed Shia al-Sudani, were stepping up quiet efforts to keep the conflict from spreading.

After Blinken warned of consequences if Iranian-backed militias continued to attack U.S. facilities in Iraq and Syria on Sunday in Baghdad, al-Sudani had travelled to Tehran and met Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in a move U.S. officials suggested was positive.

And, in Tokyo, after a forceful closed-door intervention by German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, the G7 coalesced around a strong statement of support for all of Blinken’s priorities, including an unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and backing for Israel’s right to defend itself.

They also backed humanitarian pauses and corridors, post-conflict planning for Gaza, and an eventual restoration of a process to bring lasting peace through a two-state solution.

As Blinken concluded bilateral talks with South Korean leaders in Seoul and made his way to India, Israel announced daily four-hour humanitarian pauses, with a three hours’ notice, and the opening of a second safe corridor for Palestinians to leave northern Gaza to seek safety in the south.

“We appreciate the fact that” Israel finally agreed to the pauses, Blinken said as he stopped in New Delhi, more than a week after starting his mission.

“As I’ve said, from the start, this is a process and it’s not always flipping the light switch,” he said. “But we have seen progress. We just need to see more of it.”

https://apnews.com/article/blinken-israel-gaza-hamas-850cf28c13d8df087f75c0536462b604


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Biden says a deal to free hostages held by Hamas is ‘going to happen’ as officials say they are nearing an agreement

President Joe Biden said Tuesday that he believes a deal can be reached to release hostages being held by Hamas in Gaza, voicing optimism as officials tell CNN prolonged talks to free hostages are nearing an agreement.

“I’ve been talking with the people involved every single day. I believe it’s going to happen. But I don’t want to get into detail,” Biden told reporters at the White House.

A senior US official familiar with the talks told CNN on Tuesday that Israel and Hamas are moving closer to a deal to secure the release of hostages taken during the Hamas attacks on Israel in exchange for a sustained, days-long pause in fighting.

The official stressed that while the parties have inched closer to striking a deal, the talks remained volatile and could still break down: “It’s closer but it’s not done.” One European diplomat on Monday expressed optimism that some hostages could be released in the coming days or weeks.

The broad parameters that are currently being discussed entail Hamas releasing a large group of hostages at the same time Israel frees Palestinian prisoners. The hostages-for-prisoners exchange would take place in the course of a sustained, days-long pause in fighting that could last as long as five days, but many details, including the duration of a pause, remain in flux.

Asked Tuesday for his message for families waiting for news on their captive loved ones, Biden said: “Hang in there, we’re coming.”

National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan and Special Presidential Envoy for Hostage Affairs Roger Carstens met on Monday evening in Washington, DC, with family members of some of the US hostages, a US official told CNN. The family members were in town for a pro-Israel march on Tuesday.

Israel recently asked for 100 hostages to be released, according to a Hamas spokesman and a source familiar with the negotiations.

An overnight statement from the Qassam Brigades, Hamas’s military wing, said negotiations were focusing on the possible release of 70 women and children in exchange for a pause in the fighting of five days.

A senior Israeli official told that CNN hostage negotiations are ongoing – and are being handled by Qatar, the CIA, and Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad.

The official acknowledged Hamas is looking to release as few people as possible in exchange for the longest possible ceasefire but said Israel would agree to one if there were a serious deal on offer. “But it has to be a serious deal,” the official stressed.

The Israeli official viewed the pressure on Hamas as successful, saying there could be progress in the negotiations, and the situation could develop quickly.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told CNN’s Dana Bash on Sunday that, “we’re doing everything we can around the clock,” to free the hostages but said he could not go into any details.

As CNN previously reported, in the deal currently being discussed, hostages would exit Gaza in stages on a rolling basis – with priority placed on extra vulnerable groups like children and women. The process is expected to take multiple days.

Only a handful of hostages – including two American citizens – have been released so far since the start of the war. After their exit, Biden revealed that Israel had agreed to a brief pause to secure their release.

One of the complications in the ongoing talks has been verifying the list of names of both hostages and Palestinian prisoners that Hamas and Israel would respectively release as part of the deal, two officials told CNN. Israel wants to make sure none of the prisoners released are connected to Hamas and has been scrutinizing names proposed as part of the process.

Another factor that had slowed talks was a lack of information about the hostages Hamas is holding. Because other groups in Gaza, like Islamic Jihad, are believed to have taken hostages, it wasn’t clear to negotiators who exactly Hamas would be able to release as part of a deal.

Throughout the process, the ongoing fighting and logistical problems have slowed down the negotiations, including communication blackouts in Gaza that prevented Hamas leaders on the strip from talking to their political leaders in Qatar.

The complicated indirect diplomacy, involving mediators from Qatar, has meant it could at times take hours and even days for messages to be exchanged among all the parties.

The indirect style of negotiating is cumbersome, one US official acknowledged, but necessary.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/14/politics/biden-hamas-hostages-negotiations/index.html


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Biden is doing the right thing, but I hate negotiating with terrorists. We never used to do that as a country and I’m not sure when that policy changed.

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We always have. Just because politicians mouth those words does not make it true.


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Dupes here being manipulated…

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Or those who are actually being duped can't see it.



Israel has claimed all along they are "only bombing Hamas targets". The evidence proves otherwise.

Nearly half of Gaza home have been destroyed, damaged by Israel-Hamas conflict: UN

https://thehill.com/policy/internat...yed-damaged-by-israel-hamas-conflict-un/

Yep, they are only targeting Hamas.

Propaganda is a two way street.


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Oh bro, I’m in camp whatever it takes to kill all the HAMAS terrorists that took part in the atrocity they committed. But good news for you, Rashida and Ilhan, are with you! So you have an audience that might give a damn about your take there..

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I look at film of the area. I listen to people like UNICEF, Doctors Without Borders and the WHO. You know, neutral humanitarian organizations. I don't but into the government propaganda from either side. Obviously you have decided that the slaughter of innocent civilians is justified. But you didn't think so when the innocent civilians were Jewish. A lot of people are against the unneeded slaughter of innocent civilians no matter what their religion or where they are located. Unlike you I don't pick and choose.


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You sure like to TRY to use guilt trips to argue your point, just like an old woman. I see through that BS. Only good terrorist is a dead terrorist, surprised you haven't figured that out.

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Those over 11k dead Palestinian civilians weren't terrorists. The fact you consider facts a guilt trip should be telling you something. You may not realize it but you're starting to sound like the guy who calls everyone on the "other side" vermin. I'm all for Israel destroying Hamas. But you don't have to destroy almost half of civilian homes in order to do that.


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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Only good terrorist is a dead terrorist,

While this is true - you still haven't figured out that Sovreign nations can't (or shouldn't) commit mass genocide and target innocent civilians in their pursuit of said terrorists.

Back to my example that no-one wanted to comment on previously - the IRA was a terrorist organisation slaughtering thousands of innocents over many years. Should the British government sactioned wholsale mass civilian killings in an attempt to eliminate IRA who had a relatively small amount of support but who hid amonst the Civillian population? ... Well I guess your answer must be yes based on what's happening in Gaza. Same for every other person who simply thinks Isreal can do whatever they want regardless of international law .


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