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He doesn't care and somehow slaughtering civilians means killing terrorists to him.

Collateral damage is a part of war or a military strike.... but at the momement the only collateral damage is to the terrorists - the overwhelming casualties are women and children. And all it is doing is ensuring future generations of violent extremists hell bent on taking revenge on Isreal. That's a stone cold fact no matter whether you agree with the process or not.

It is a fact. There are also choices that can be made to either maximize or minimize that collateral damage. Ground troops can identify their targets. They can clearly identify a woman, children, an elderly person or a family trying to escape to safety. Bombs do none of those things. Looking at the wide spread devastation in Gaza clearly paints the picture that Israel was not just targeting Hamas with those bombs.

I support Israel eliminating Hamas. I do not support the clear choice thy have made to inflict as much human carnage as they have chosen to do in the process. Some people try to make that sound like one in the same thing.

Amen, the world continues its normal thing- humans killing other humans- what's new. Both sides commit acts of extreme cruelty. Ain't Hamas sweet to put headquarters in and under hospitals and then say the Israelis are "beyond forgiveness" because the strike hospitals.....WOW- how crazy is that. I don't know when fighting will stop- not soon.

That's the claim. I commend them for going into hospitals with troops. I don't commend bombing hospitals. Yeah, bombing hospitals is crazy if they do that.

But hitt, we must fight with honor and integrity against terrorists… They can kill kids, behead people, commit atrocities, take hostages, and then Israel is supposed to have the Muslim worlds permission to gut GAZA… never going to happen. And most of the outraged Americans are just falling into a propaganda trap. HAMAS wants American’s fighting to save them. Putin wants American’s fighting to save them. And some people are just to happy to drink that Koolaid thinking they are being better humans…

Some people will try to make you out as the monster if you state your feelings on the matter. So, even though they are hiding in the civilians wanting them to be killed so they can cry about it, America should step in and protect those civilians. I say to hell with that. Let Israel do it’s thing and be done with HAMAS. No dirt or blood on American hands that way.

For anyone who has seem the destruction in Gaza it's obvious that Israel was lying when they claimed they were only bombing Hamas targets. Claiming that you have the right to kill civilians when you claim the other side is terrorists when they do it is some F'd up logic. Propaganda is a two way street. It might be wise for you to listen to sources not associated with either side. Like Doctors Without Borders, UNICEF and the U.N. Your opinion is based on who you listen to and when you are only listening to one side while ignoring neutral voices you end up where you are. Not giving a damn about innocent civilians.

Pastor John Hagee Says an Israel-Palestinian Peace Deal Will Be the Work of the Anti-Christ

Who thought it was a good idea to have him speak at Tuesday’s pro-Israel rally?

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...obsoGd5zgKZs6ZzhXVMuXlrd7s3O12gArCAK8hEY

Where do your loyalties lay? Are you an American or a Palestinian? I ask because I see you lambasting Israel but I seem to have missed your outrage about the October 7th attack where HAMAS made sure no IDF forces were there to protect the civilians they targeted and attacked. I guess to you, those lives don’t matter. I guess you’d rather align yourself with Iran and Russia in your “concerns”. Good on you for sticking to your guns…

Meanwhile, none of your BS will change my mind, and your petty ass attacks and crying every other second won’t either. Israel can do whatever it wants as far as I’m concerned. They can sort the details later. And You keep saying Israel is going too far, yet how far should they go? Should they give HAMAS a pass?

I believe about 2% of anything said in or on the middle east. The entire region is a cesspool of theocratic strongman regimes and lies. Every country around them wants Israel to fail/fall. All the Muslim states seem to hate Israelis for simply existing. But I’m sure everything you are seeing or hearing is straight facts and you are infallible. I’ll read all about it in your next post.

Meanwhile, all of your bloviating hasn’t changed a damn thing. Those civilians will still be in the crosshairs, HAMAS will still be terrorists, but you can feel good for standing up and paying lip service on the DT boards… Go you. Smh.

We completely flattened nearly every city in Germany with bombs. We fire-bombed Dresden so badly that is nearly ceased to exist and it glowed so brightly that it was visible from dozens of miles away at night; the plume of smoke rose over 15000 feet into the air.. Tens of thousands of civilians, and even Allied POWs, perished.
We killed hundreds of thousands of people - almost all civilians - when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

At no point in the eighty-plus years following WW2 do I recall hearing about any Japanese or German extremists wanting to destroy America over this.

Extremism is born from extremist teachings. The HAMAS people that are left alive will use whatever manipulation they can to recruit more to their cause. It has been the way of the extremist networks for decades.
Keep eliminating them until the people they hide among are so sick of them that they have nowhere left to hide.
The way to defeat an ideology is to create the conditions where others come to their own conclusion that it is not in their best interests to embrace it, that it is sensible to reject it.

John Hagee is 100% correct. Israel is a sovereign nation that was attacked and has every right to defend itself and rid themselves of terrorists in Gaza. The world has no right to demand a 2-state solution to Israel and even though Israel was willing multiple times to work with Palestine and have a 2-state solution just for peace. Palestine has always rejected it at every attempt. They want nothing more and nothing less than Israel to no longer exist and will never settle for less. Israel even won 2 wars against Arab neighboring Countries in 1967 and 1973 and acquired more land in those military victories. Then to gain peace gave the land back. It is Palestine that birthed Hamas and not Israel. Hamas is responsible for the war that is happening now, and Israel should not stop until there is no Hamas. Anything short of that and October 7th will happen again.

I'm for innocent civilians not being slaughtered. I'm for minimizing the death of civilians when possible. I don't care where they live or who their government is. I don't care what religion they are. You seem to ignore that I have said several times in this very tread that Hamas slaughtered innocent Israeli civilians, that it was an atrocity and there is no excuse for it. The only difference between us is I refuse to make an excuse for either side that does this.

Hamas is responsible for the war. Innocent Palestinian civilians aren't. Slaughtering the civilian population is exactly why Israel is outraged. I don't blame them. But the answer isn't to turn around and needlessly slaughter the Palestinian population. That's what bombs do. They had a choice to send in troops instead sparing thousands of Palestinian lives. They chose not to.

"Choice" to send in troops =

Send in troops to destroy tunnels, rocket launching pads, a 50,000 terror group, all while operating within a densely populated urban area filled with people who want you dead.

Innocent Israelis. Men, women, and children are being held hostage by Hamas in a Hamas govern country and they won’t release them. Sooooooo. Bombs away until the Hostages are released. No brainer. No water No electricity all Palestinian people need to do is reject Hamas but they chose not to.

Besides Hamas has been lobbing in shells for decades now, and to think IDF doesn’t have a lot of boots on the ground already? Well they do.

Hamas is the defacto governing body in Gaza.
https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/hamas_fto.html

Is Hamas part of the Palestine government?
As a result of elections held in January, 2006, representatives of HAMAS currently form the majority party within the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC) and hold high-level offices within the Palestinian Authority (PA) including the position of Prime Minister.
https:// ofac.treasury.gov/sanctions-programs-and-country-information/counter-terrorism-sanctions/palestinian-authority/
(link edited to stop the board from trying to turn it into a YouTube link for some reason... remove the space after the forward slashes to follow the link)

All of Palestine is a legitimate target. Their people chose Hamas. Palestine is Hamas. Hamas is Palestine.

Filled with people? The figures I have seen number Hamas at 30k people, not 50k. Israel itself admits there are at least 311 miles on tunnels. Do you really think Hamas is living above ground getting the hell bombed out of them by Israel when they have tunnels to hide in? and if not, isn't Israel also reigning bombs down on the very hostages you claim they are trying to save and protect?

Hamas has not allowed an election in Palestine since 2006. What are they supposed to reject them with, rocks?

Their people "chose Hamas" in 2006. Hamas hasn't allowed an election since. Innocent civilians are never a legitimate target when you can decrease the number of their casualties easily by making a different choice. Hamas are not Palestinian civilians.

They kinda are! When they were committing their atrocities, they were calling home to their parents who raised them and were bragging that they killed so many Jews. Then their parents these innocent civilians you keep talking about would celebrate on the phone with them. The innocent civilians you keep talking about partied in the streets when Hamas brought back dead Israeli soldiers and the captives that are still being held. Let's not also forget that in 2001 when the towers were brought down these same innocents in Palestine again partied in the streets. They do cry women and children when Israel, the USA, or European countries come down on them. Then there are always those bleeding hearts that then lose fortitude and turn on the real victims that are just trying to defend their citizens from brutal animals. This is Hamas fault. No one else's fault but theirs!

Man you have been sucked in by somebody. How many people did this again? Where did you hear this?


What you have done first is make some very outrageous claims. Secondly even if some part of what you are saying is true, there are 2.4 million people in Gaza. How many people are you claiming took part in such activities? 100k? Which would be a very small percentage of people. More, less? I know it's popular to take the minority of any group and lump them in as representing everyone. You have done a fine job of that. Well, if half of what you're claiming is even true.

Defending their people doesn't involve Palestinian civilians. Their enemy is Hamas. You seem to lack the ability to separate the two in your blood lust.

There certainly are blinders on one of us. I just think the blinders of seeing the truth and being deceived is coming from your side of things. The things you write are anti-Israel and very much antisemitic. I support Israel. i support the Jewish people. The chosen people in the chosen land. The Palestinians don't want peace. That is Rashida Tlaib a Palestinian will say things like from the river to the sea. You do know that is very much the same as the N word. They have empowered Hamas and are being used by Iran the main culprit in the entire fiasco.

Nothing I post is antisemitic. I support Israel wiping out Hamas. I just promote they do it while killing as few Palestinian civilians as possible. There's nothing antisemitic about that except in your mind. It's just another attempt by your kind to try and place a negative label on anyone who disagrees with you to paint them as evil. Most people with a functioning brain understand that.

I'm not a fan of the squad and much of what they say. There's a difference between trying to promote that less civilians die no matter where they occur and in supporting Hamas. It seems you are still having trouble distinguishing the difference.

I know this much, if my neighbor was a hateful man who had threatened my family and then came to my house while I was gone and killed some of them, I wouldn't be making excuses why some of his family members should also be killed for his actions. I mean maybe you think bombing his home while his family was in it would be justified for his actions. I don't.

Well bless your bleeding heart!

It's better than children bleeding in Palestine. And that's all you got. No answers, no counterpoints. No evidence to back up the claims you were making. About what I expected from you. But let's look at what happens when you listen to any government when they are spreading war propaganda. And believe me, I'm grateful for the outcome. No shots fired, nobody was injured or killed. But that's how things work out when you send in troops instead of dropping bombs.

We heard about this big command center at the Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza. About the tunnel network connected to the hospital which permitted Hamas to go freely in and out of the hospital. How they were holding people at the hospital hostage. Yet here is the actual footage of what they found. A few guns....



I admire the way the Israeli military conducted this operation. I'm glad no innocent civilians lost their life. Even though their evidence of any "Hamas command center" and some of their other claims about this location is either scant or non existent. It could have been much this way all along.

Hamas is holding innocents hostage. No stopping this until the hostages are released.


How do you know they aren’t. BTW they found a hostage dead. She was probably crying too loud in her captivity.

That would be a good start. And BTW I feel the same way about the people of Russia, and North Korea, while Iranian women have bigger nads then all of ‘em..it’s nearly impossible to put down a full blown rebellion. Especially when the military turns on you.

J/C if you’re into that sort of thing. …. Bible Gateway Zechariah 14 :: NIV. A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you. I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped.

Yes, she was found near the hospital where fighting was going on between Hamas and Israel. I have no idea how she was killed. Thus far I don't think you do either. Was it by a bullet? And if so who fired that bullet? You know, there's always collateral damage. I wonder how many of those hostages were killed by Israeli bombs reigning down on Gaza?

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/202...ns-letter-should-concern-us-all-n2166415

Libtards gushing over and supporting Osama Bin Laden and 911.


Yall are sick in the head.

Yes, those are idiots, not necessarily dems. And if it targets the left, the site is call redstate for a reason, right wing propaganda.

They are libtards. They certainly arent from the right.

My source isnt wrong just because you dont like it. Here is another.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/technology/videos-bin-laden-letter-tiktok.html

Most likely libertarians. Strange people.

Pretty sure its not libertarians. Libertarians have actual common sense.

Since when?

Forever.

You can be in denial about your libtard commrades if you want, but the fact is all those pro-hamas libtards start spouting wokeisms when pressed about their views.

Yes - stories about randos making comments on twitter, on tiktok. it's 'news' and it represents all of the people who you don't align yourself with politically. Damn you nailed it.

Randos? Thousands of people have posted sympathy for a terrorist. It's viral and TicTok is aggressively taking down vids. These losers are screaming and yelling that the media is trying to silence the truth. 🤔

BTW... please point me toward the magical portal to the "news" in this section of the site.

Each side has losers. And these certainly qualify.

Is that kinda like there are good people on both sides?