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Let’s gooooo!!! Freedom has been protected in Ohio! Women’s rights, and my right to start forest fires!!!

I’m proud of Ohio for voting on the side of sanity. My family came out in numbers to support women’s rights. Couldn’t be happier with the outcome. Ohio was too conservative when I left. It’s part of the reason why I left. Glad to see the tide turning.

Ohio makes the seventh out of seven in states that have voted on abortion to overturn their elected state governments restrictive abortion laws. States that voted and elected Republicans have drawn a line in the sand. And Ohio makes yet another state that has voted to overturn marijuana laws, something the federal government in their antiquated minds have continued to call a schedule 1 drug. I'm happy to see that Ohio has expanded their choices rather than continuing to allow their lawmakers to restrict their choices.

2024 is going to be a major L for the red team.

Couldn’t be happier about yesterday’s election results. Ohio took it’s future back from the radical gerrymandered MAGA State government. And serving up a bottomless glass of STFU to the right2lifers filled my soul.

I'm not so sure yesterday means what you think it means. It may. But there are a lot of moderate Republicans. Republicans who will side with abortion rights but not a lot of the democrats platform on other issues. One's that will support things like weed or abortion but would never vote for a Democrat as president or even to represent them in the senate or the house. There was some indication in Virginia that gave the Democrats a bigger advantage than they had going into last nights election but I'm not sure that's enough evidence to claim that will be a trend in 2024.

Anybody actually listening to what Trump says he will do in a second term might have to overcome that bipartisanship if they prefer living in a democracy over a Trumpian fascist dictatorship. That’s a tough pill to swallow no matter how stupid or stubborn they might be. So I’m banking on America’s better angels doing what’s best. And that’s been the trend since the first election Trump stole in 2016.

I'm certainly hoping for it but I'm not banking on it.

Given he is a rapist this is interesting.

Well, the Supreme Court returned the decision to the individual States and now 7 of the 50 have passed amendments to make it legal.

That appears to be an unintended consequence of the Dobbs decision…

43 to go.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Sometimes, this what happens when the dog catches the car- after 60 years of running full-tilt. Dobbs decision gave them what they'd been chasing. Dobbs also seems to be the tipping point across America that galvanized citizens of many different stripes on this one, specific issue. Turns out, ordinary people are not fans of stripping/limiting rights.

"It's an 'America thing'- fascists wouldn't understand."

We should all view this as a victory for "States' rights."
This time, The People- not legislators or unelected judges- have determined what we should do next.

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"When the Gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers."
-Oscar Wilde

A political party that suffers at the polls, customarily enters a period of self-reflection: "What did we do wrong? What might we do better?" Pols call this process a "post-mortem." The premise is that self-reflection reveals strengths/flaws, and gives the party an opportunity to fix problems, self-correct- and hopefully perform better in the future.

In the immediate aftermath of yesterday's election results, it's informative to spend time with our friends at Newsmax. After all, Newsmax/OANN/FOX are the sources I access when trying to understand voters who see things differently than I. In this particular interview, Rick Santorum was the guest.

If this is the level of self-awareness that passes for introspection, it doesn't surprise me that they find themselves in their current situation. There are none so blind than they who cannot see.

This one just made me shake my head, slowly.

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Bemoaning Ohio results, Santorum says ‘pure democracies’ aren’t how to run a country

After a particularly disappointing night of election results for Republicans, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) lamented “pure democracies,” where major decisions are left up to voters rather than their elected officials.

“Thank goodness that most of the states in this country don’t allow you to put everything on the ballot, because pure democracies are not the way to run a country,” Santorum said Tuesday night on Newsmax.

Ohio voters overwhelmingly approved separate ballot measures protecting abortion rights in the state constitution and legalizing recreational marijuana.

“You put very sexy things like abortion and marijuana on the ballot, and a lot of young people come out and vote,” Santorum said.

Nearly 57 percent of voters backed the abortion access measure, and about 56 percent approved of the marijuana measure. Both are set to take effect in 30 days.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4299354-santorum-ohio-results-pure-democracies/

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Like Donald Trump, The Joker, and Skeletor, this cardigan-wearing cut-rate cartoon villain is guilty of the same sin as all the others: saying the (stupid) secret parts out loud.

With guys like these, every single noise that spills from those holes at the the bottom of their faces tell us exactly who they are, and what they believe.
Believe what they say.

In essence, Rick Santorum is:

1. bemoaning the fact that American citizens still have an actionable voice in their country's future
2. applauding the concept of Gerrymandered politicians running s# in as many states as can be amassed.

What he isn't doing, is figuring out why that has already been backfiring on him/his... and will continue to spank dat azz, going forward.
Personally, I hope guys like him continue to double down on the deliberate deafness.

#hubris
#tonedeaf

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I wouldn't do that if I were you.

Nearly 1/3 of voters think Trump won 2020.

Trump currently leads (narrowly) Biden in the upcoming 2024 election.

People actually have to pay attention and look away from tik-tok or FB for a few moments - but don't hold your breath.

Many woman voted NO on issue one Mac, while many men voted Yes on issue one. Also Issue one passed in less counties than it failed in. It passed in large cities and failed in small towns.

Here is a list of the counties it passed and failed in.

https://www.wlwt.com/article/ohio-issue-1-abortion-rights-passes-county-map/45772375#

This was much closer than most of y'all thought. Take away the four largest Counties in ohio and the NO votes would have won.

Congrats to those of you who support abortion on your victory. Those of us who are against abortion will continue to fight, just like those of you who are for abortion continued to fight.

Thankfully those women trapped in rural communities that have other women voting against their own rights were supported by larger swaths of folks in big cities.
I know my rural family voted for women’s rights. And though the county they all live in swung against abortion, they still won their right to self determination.
Screw all the backwards folks around them. They can live with their rape babies if they choose. They can still choose to NOT have an abortion. While the rest of the state can do as they choose.
Such a simple, American, concept… choice.

I'll finish it for you to Murder!!!

Go have a God sanctioned rape baby. Enjoy.

Psychopaths that think like this are walking cockroaches on this planet… in need of eradication.
Idaho Republican Sen. Scott Herndon.
He wants to remove rape and incest exceptions from the state abortion ban, and says that it could be "cathartic" for teens raped by their dads to have the baby.
He believes teens being raped by family members are
"natural circumstances."

bUt ThE BaBy!!!!
Screw the teen… literally.

Many did. Most didn't......

About 80% of voters of color supported the abortion rights initiative, as did about 63% of White female voters with a college degree and nearly 6 in 10 White male college graduates. By contrast, White women without college degrees were about evenly split. White men without college degrees were among the relatively few demographic groups to solidly vote “no” on the initiative.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/politics/exit-polls-election-2023/index.html

It appears it wasn't men who deiced this issue. As you can see, it was mainly only white men without degrees who in the majority voted against the bill. People that have no uterus and can walk away at any time.


State elections are decided by voters, not land mass. Until bovines can vote that's the way it will continue to be.

And one good thing about it. Those people who don't want to get an abortion still don't have to. Nobody was voting to try and take that choice and right away from them.

I'll finish it for you. Day of The Dog, "Abortion is murder but killing innocent children in Gaza is just fine! I pick and choose which children I protect. Some you save and some you kill!"

Pro life my ass.

Counties don’t vote. People do.

And this is the way it should be. The abortion issue is a state issue, not a federal issue.

I think the only real issue to discuss is at what point should it not be allowed? Late term abortions should be illegal.

I actually don't disagree with you. But I would ask how one is to approach that? Would that be as Republicans have claimed, that abortion decisions are a state's issue where that may vary from state to state? Or is that now an exception that should be done on the national level? Because as states keep upholding the right to abortion, Republicans are beginning to change their tune about leaving it up to the states. There are some of them who believe that upholding states rights is a good thing when it serves to uphold their position. But when that backfires things become totally different.

GOP candidates clash over national abortion ban

The heated debate comes as deep-pocketed anti-abortion groups press the candidates to outline how far they would go if elected.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/23/gop-debate-national-abortion-ban-00112666

House GOP Forges Ahead on Wildly Unpopular National Abortion Ban

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...-on-unpopular-national-abortion-ban.html

Far-right hosts are blaming the GOP's big election losses on Taylor Swift

https://www.yahoo.com/news/far-hosts-blaming-gops-big-192544213.html

"Republicans still haven't internalized that the Left promotes abortion as a pro-feminism issue. They aren't voting to kill babies, they're voting bc of feminist movies like Barbie and pop stars like Taylor Swift influencing an army of voters," Posobiec wrote.

He fumed in another all-caps post that "THE CHILDLESS, UNMARRIED ABORTION ARMY MOBILIZED BY BARBIE, TAYLOR SWIFT, AND TIKTOK" was "CRUSHING REPUBLICANS AT THE BALLOT BOX."

Far-right firebrand media personality Charlie Kirk also went after Swift on his talk radio show on Wednesday, saying that the Republican Party "better have a plan" for the "Anti-Hero" singer's influence over young voters.

"Taylor Swift is going to come out in the presidential election and she is going to mobilize her fans," Kirk warned his viewers on Wednesday, adding, "And we're going to be like, 'Oh wow, where did all these young, female voters come from?' We better have a plan for that."

Kirk continued: "All the Swifties want is swift abortion. That's what they want. It's 100%."

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So, a couple things:

1. Republican voters, you guys need to understand that the absolute LAST demographic of Americans you want to beef with are Swifties. I understand you guys have a problem with pretty much everybody that isn’t - well - you, but I’d definitely consider not beefing with a demographic that transcends political, social, and racial ideology. But y’all gonna do it anyway so whatever.

2. Big picture here, this really highlights how much right wing Americans hate voter turnout. They show time and time again in multiple ways that they actually hate Americans exercising their constitutional right to vote. Can’t win on ideas, so just gonna suppress the vote as much as possible.

I have always felt that the feds had no business telling women what they should be doing and it should be handled on the state level.

Soon, all 50 will be back to where we were.

Guess what? “Pearl clutching conservative grannies” and “back in the day grandpas” have as much right as Millennials and Gen Z’s in a democracy.

Abortion is a losing Argument for conservatives in America. As Clem said, The Dobbs decision just illustrates that the dog caught the car and the car ran over it.

If you have objections to abortion, then don’t get one. Males included.

Maybe not 50, but I don't disagree. I see it as possible.

Yes they are decided by voters ALL voters. What I pointed out was that issue one was a failure in more places than it wasn't. If the far right had not been so stupid and set up abortion at 6 to 8 weeks, with no exceptions for rape/incest, or clear exceptions for the mothers life and health. IMO only I believe Issue one would have been a NO if the far right had set it at say 10 weeks (time enough to know they are preggers) with exceptions for both the mothers life and health, and for rape/incest.

My daughter in law was not confirmed until 14 weeks, my grandson is doing well.

Outlier yes, but a true story.

Once again you're trying to use geography as some kind of measuring stick. It's like saying the Mohave desert voters in California didn't support abortion. It's a lot of land with very few voters. I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make here. I mean you are certainly entitled to your opinion but while I think the vote may have been slightly closer under your scenario I don't think it would have changed the outcome.

I think it was the same point that fox was trying to make a couple nights ago. Show a map like Ohio on Issue 1 and note how many counties are red (no)-and then they say "how did the issue pass-look at the sea of red". Well, trees don't vote

Nor livestock....... yet.

She has 275 million followers and she absolutely can not stand drump

Your thread title is sexist as all get out.
WOW

How can anyone be surprised the right blames Taylor Swift? They always blame their own failures on the left. Let's face it, they have their own musicians railing for them. They're just mad that people like Ted Nugent, Lee Greenwood and Kid Rock can't raise the votes Taylor Swift can.

Ohio Republicans vow to target judiciary over Issue 1 abortion measure
Melissa Quinn
Fri, November 10, 2023 at 4:21 PM EST·3 min read

Washington — Republicans in the Ohio state legislature are threatening to strip state courts of their authority to review cases related to Issue 1, the ballot measure approved by voters on Tuesday that established a right to abortion in the state constitution.

A group of four state GOP lawmakers announced their plans in a press release Thursday, which also teased forthcoming legislative action in response to voters' approval of the reproductive rights initiative.

"Issue 1 doesn't repeal a single Ohio law, in fact, it doesn't even mention one," state Rep. Bill Dean said in a statement. "The amendment's language is dangerously vague and unconstrained, and can be weaponized to attack parental rights or defend rapists, pedophiles, and human traffickers."

The Ohio Republicans said state lawmakers "will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative. The Ohio legislature alone will consider what, if any, modifications to make to existing laws based on public hearings and input from legal experts on both sides."

Republicans hold wide majorities in both chambers of the Ohio General Assembly. The state's governor is a Republican, and the seven-seat Ohio Supreme Court has a 4-3 Republican majority.

Ohio state Rep. Jennifer Gross also claimed that the campaign in favor of Issue 1 was funded in part by foreign donations, saying, "this is foreign election interference, and it will not stand."

The GOP lawmakers did not provide details on the legislation they plan to introduce.

Issue 1

Ohio voters on Tuesday passed Issue 1 by a margin of 56.6% to 43.4%, marking the first time a Republican-led state has affirmatively guaranteed the right to abortion in its state constitution. The approval of the measure extended the winning streak by abortion-rights proponents after they were victorious in all six states where abortion-related measures were directly on the ballot last year.

The constitutional amendment, titled "The Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety," guarantees that every individual has the right to make their own decisions on abortion, contraception, fertility treatment, miscarriage and continuing their pregnancy. It also allows the state to prohibit abortion after fetal viability, considered between 22 and 24 weeks into pregnancy, except when necessary to protect the life or health of the mother.

Republicans who opposed the measure claimed it would allow parents to be excluded from their children's medical decisions and lead to abortions later in pregnancy. Less than 1% of all abortions performed in 2020 occurred at or after 21 weeks gestation, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Abortion-rights advocates are looking to combat stringent abortion laws and protect abortion access through citizen-initiated ballot measures following the Supreme Court's reversal of Roe v. Wade roughly 17 months ago. In addition to the campaign in Ohio that put the issue directly before voters, abortion-rights groups are mounting similar efforts to land proposals guaranteeing reproductive rights on the ballot in Florida, Arizona, and Nevada in 2024.


https://news.yahoo.com/ohio-republicans-vow-target-judiciary-212140700.html

Just like anything else, when the GOP says stuff like “states rights”, it’s just something they say, don’t actually mean.