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So it went back to the states like GOPers wanted and they lost, so now they want to make new rules, move the goal post and try to shove their sickening fascist theological beliefs in every vagina in Ohio? You can’t make this [censored] up. We need a civil war, and we need to thin the idiots. Better yet, THE WHOLE WORLD needs a Thanos reset.

And BTW, GOPers can’t govern, can’t win, have bad and stupid ideas about how government works or should work, and cheat every time they get the chance. It’s how they’ve remained in power.. They elect idiots, dregs, fascists, corporatists, criminals and would-be dictators. They look in the mirror and blame everything wrong in their lives on democrats. Now, as if they weren’t already off the chain, they’ve moved onto violence, domestic terrorism, full on disinformation and propaganda attacks, coups, governmental overthrows, constant threats, vicious hate mongering, and blatant disregard for the will of the majority.

How is the majority supposed to live with that? There’s already a large swath of non-republicans that would be perfectly content to never interact with a MAGA GOPer again… Yet we suffer fools.

How much crack did you take tonight?

I do so it's a simple difference in opinion bro.

Having Lost Abortion Vote, Ohio GOP Now Plans to Sabotage Results
Tori Otten
Fri, November 10, 2023 at 4:24 PM EST·2 min read
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Ohio state Republican lawmakers are once again trying to overturn the will of the people, after a devastating loss on abortion rights.

Ohioans overwhelmingly chose to enshrine abortion protections in the state Constitution earlier this week. Republicans had tried multiple times to block the referendum, called Issue 1, but they were handily defeated every time.

So on Friday, the state GOP unveiled a new tactic: stopping the courts from allowing the new amendment to take effect.

“To prevent mischief by pro-abortion courts with Issue 1, Ohio legislators will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative,” Republican state representatives said in a press release. “The Ohio legislature alone will consider what, if any, modifications to make to existing laws based on public hearings and input from legal experts on both sides.”

The new amendment doesn’t take effect until December 7, and even then, it isn’t automatically implemented. Each individual abortion restriction needs to be repealed by a court. And Ohio has a lot of restrictions.

Abortion is legal up to 22 weeks, but certain abortion procedures are banned. Patients must wait 24 hours and undergo anti-abortion biased counseling before they can undergo the procedure. State-based insurance is prohibited from covering abortion services, and minors must have the consent of a parent, guardian, or judge in order to get an abortion.

As abortion reporter Jessica Valenti explained, Ohio Republicans don’t want the courts to repeal all of these restrictions. They want the GOP-controlled state legislature to decide whether to repeal the restrictions.

In the press release, lawmakers also blamed “foreign billionaires” for interfering in the election and tipping it in favor of abortion rights. In reality, right-wing billionaires and organizations donated millions of dollars from out of state (although still domestically) to try to block Issue 1.

This isn’t the first time Ohio Republicans have blatantly ignored—and actively worked against—what the people want. In August, they tried to raise the threshold for constitutional amendments to a 60 percent vote instead of a simple majority.

When that failed, the Ohio Ballot Board voted 3–2, along party lines, to change the text of the amendment on the ballot to a Republican-authored summary littered with inflammatory and fearmongering language.

Republicans have repeatedly refused to accept the results of elections on abortion, in a massive threat to local democracy. In Kansas, despite residents voting overwhelmingly in August 2022 to keep abortion rights in the state Constitution, the state legislature is still trying to pass laws that would restrict abortion access. And in Wisconsin, after voters elected a state Supreme Court judge in large part because of her outspoken support for abortion access, state Republicans tried to impeach her.

https://news.yahoo.com/having-lost-abortion-vote-ohio-212408227.html

And one line from Dewine about we accept election results in this country. You have the current leader of your party as well as most of his underlings not accepting the election results from 2020. And some of those 91 felonies are why. And you dumbasses still won't come out and say you lost

Ohio Gov. DeWine ‘accepts’ will of the people on abortion, marijuana, but hold on

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine is “accepting” the will of the people on legalizing abortion access and marijuana recreation, but that acceptance comes with caveats.

State of the State Address
By: Morgan TrauPosted at 6:20 PM, Nov 09, 2023 and last updated 12:38 PM, Nov 10, 2023
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine is “accepting” the will of the people on legalizing abortion access and marijuana recreation, but that acceptance comes with caveats.

Days after Ohioans voted to enshrine abortion and other reproductive rights in the state constitution, the governor acknowledged the result — even as fellow Republicans look for ways to overturn it.



"In this country, we accept the results of elections, and we certainly accept the results of Issue 1 in Ohio as well as Issue 2," he said.

Dozens of Statehouse Republicans wrote a letter saying they would try to prevent the repealing of anti-abortion provisions, in essence stopping Issue 1 from taking effect. However, DeWine emphasized the importance of respecting the voters. Despite doing so, he avoided answering Statehouse reporter Morgan Trau's questions about the efforts of his colleagues.

"Do you think that GOP plans or opponent plans to repeal it would be going against the will of the people?" Trau asked.

"Look — I'm not going to talk about what anybody else is doing," DeWine said. "What I've just said is that we respect the vote but like everything else in this country, whether it's legislation passed by the General Assembly, a constitutional amendment passed by the people, we always continue to evaluate how things are working."


DeWine kept DeFlecting but eventually said the voters and lawmakers would consider all avenues.

"People will decide if they are comfortable with what we voted on, or they will decide that it maybe needs to be changed or tweaked," the governor said.

RELATED: Issue 1 passed in Ohio, protecting abortion rights — now what?


However, he acknowledged one of the reasons Issue 1 passed is because of the unpopular six-week abortion ban, one without exceptions for rape and incest. This was a bill he signed into law but said he wasn't responsible for the constitutional amendment.

"How people felt once Roe v. Wade was overturned, what was hypothetical became real... You can see a change in people's opinions," he said.

The governor also pushed back against the GOP members planning on overhauling Issue 2, which legalized recreational marijuana, but he said he does want to see some changes.


"We have an obligation to make sure that this is done right," he added.

He says that his main recommendation to the lawmakers is to make sure that Ohioans are protected from smoke in public places and that children don't accidentally ingest weed products like gummies.

"People have a right to smoke marijuana, that's fine," DeWine said. "But other people have a right not to smell it and not to have their kids or their grandkids exposed to it."

DeWine seemed to get fed up with reporters asking about repealing or changing both Issues. News 5's media partner, the Ohio Capital Journal, asked a follow-up question about J.D. Vance making a comment about abortion, which DeWine rejected.

"No, no, no, no, no," DeWine said. "How often in this conversation you all are not quoting me.... I always take responsibility for what I say, but you're quoting someone else — this is about the eighth time.

"I'm happy to dodge that question like I tried to dodge the other ones."


What's next

Democratic representatives have introduced legislation to repeal numerous restrictions in state law to abortion access.

Some of these included removing the six-week ban and the mandatory 24-hour waiting period between showing up to get an abortion and getting the procedure.

"This bill is making sure that people do have access to by removing some of the barriers that have been put in place over the last 20 or 30 years that really impact women's health and the care they're able to receive," physician and state representative Beth Liston (D-Dublin) said.

It is unlikely that the Republicans in the statehouse will pass this bill. In fact, News 5 asked state Rep. Josh Williams (R-Sylvania) if he thinks it will be heard, and he just responded, "No."

"What's going to happen is those restrictions are going to have to be challenged in court," Williams said.

Williams is one of the 27 of 67 Republican members of the House who have condemned the passage of Issue 1.


"We will do everything in our power to prevent our laws from being removed based upon perception of intent," the letter states.

When asked what this meant, Williams said it means whether or not Issue 1 being put into effect or the new legislation from the Democrats would directly conflict with existing law.

The lawmakers then plan to challenge these in court, he said. However, there doesn't seem to be much legally the GOP can do.

"The key is to make sure that the public knows exactly what it is — in case we try to amend this amendment in the future," he said.

Liston knew this was the likely situation and that the Republicans would ignore her bill, but said it's her job as a lawmaker in the Democratic caucus to lift up Ohioans voices.

"I'm not sure what some of the extremists will be doing, but we will be working to make sure that women have access to health care," she said.

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news...people-on-abortion-marijuana-but-hold-on

Typical conservative and republicans.

Conservatives: We support peaceful protest!!

*Kaep kneels**

Conservatives: not like that!!!!

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Conservatives: let the states decide!!

*states vote for pro-choice**

Conservatives: not like that either!!!

Their policies suck. They know they have to force them on their populace because they can’t do it through a vote. Why people keep voting these anti American losers into office I’ll never understand.

Wedge issues and clowns on fox news lying through their teeth to the old and ill informed on a whole bunch of issues like that the dems are coming for your social security/medicare all the while why the repubs are actively working to cut the programs.
They are too damn stupid to figure out that tax cuts don't create more tax revenue.

I wish I could find the story again, but it appears that DeWine is going to try to change Issue 1..

Can someone tell me when republicans are going to learn to accept defeat. The will of the people should mean something. But to GOPers, it's clear that it does not.

Respect, but you’re dead wrong on this issue and always will be. And men shouldn’t even have a vote.

Never.

They have decided to make overturning election results into an art form. The vote of the people mean nothing to them. I expected no less from this bunch.

Complains about fascists and dictators, yet OCD wants to eliminate any one who disagrees with him. And the liberals can't figure out why they are being called commies. You can't make this stuff up.

If the results of issue 1 were reversed, would you have accepted the will of the people or keep fighting?

You can't make up that one side tried to overturn our elections and on this board they have failed to even address that. The fact that their parties eventual nominee to run for president has said he will pardon those who tried to interfere with that election. But yeah, OCD is the problem. lmao

I thought you were opposed to genocide. I guess you switched sides again.

When did OCD commit genocide?

As long as it's the mans baby as well then he should have a say. When a woman gets preggers without him I will agree that he should have zero say bro

There are other things that Republicans have pushed that I don't like also,,, Citizens United.. I don't think that corporations are people and I never did.

As mentioned many times in other threads your man vote has consequences. Your vote helped give fatherly rights to rapists in Ohio. When a women doesn’t want to get peggers and is coerced into unprotected sex, the man or boy is usually the instigator. Date rape. Dude doesn’t deserve to get a vote.

My vote against abortion has NOTHING to do with some jackdonkeys on the far right did not want exemptions for rape/incest, and for the life and health of the mother has zero to do with me. I agree that anybody who rapes another person should have none, zero, zilch, nada say in the matter.

While I get what you're saying and understand it, surely deep down you knew and understood that the far right was going to rule the day on this. That they would go to these extreme measures and that's exactly what your vote would result in. And sadly that's what voting has turned into these days. Half of the things the people you vote for stand for are not the things we stand for. You chose what you see as the lesser of the two evils in this instance. I understand that. But it's hard for me to believe that in the political climate we live in today you didn't see the results of it coming.

And while you say the father should have some say in this, that too sounds great in principal. But we have so many deadbeat dad's in this country. Women living off of government assistance because the dad's won't pay child support. Living in poverty while raising those children alone. My oldest grandson is almost 30 and his two siblings are in their mid 20's and their dad is still paying back child support. Very little at a time. She doesn't need that money now but it wasn't there when she did. Once again the fathers rights issue is a two edged sword. And some of the consequences that would come from that you would end up not liking too.

Your vote in your eyes has nothing to do with the jackmonkeys, but they will take your vote and implement their extreme wishes.
You can't have your cake and eat it too

That kinda depends on how you voted on issue # 1 this election.

Deep down I expect others to act with honor and respect for others. If they don't that's on them not me, or you or anybody else. Almost every single republican I know wanted exemptions for rape/incest, and for the health of the mother.


According to your logic then there is no need to vote at all since neither side is going to vote exactly for each and every thing I would.


Up we have way to many dead beat dads. (Hell one is to many) We also have many dead beat moms. All the more reason to let the Dads raise their own children if they want too.

BOTH sides do that, so just like I told Pit, why do you even bother to vote?

Then you have unrealistic expectations which has been proven to you time and time again. Ignoring the obvious is what one would have to have done not to see this coming. Hopefully every other single Republican you know learned their lesson on that as well.


Which is nothing close to what I said. I'm just saying there are consequences you may not like when you vote for someone in either party. You obviously don't like some of the consequences that came with Ohio's abortion law as it was.


So then should these future fathers be required to sign a contract guaranteeing they will raise and support the child after it is born with legal consequences attached if they don't? Because I would think that after learning your lesson about expecting "others to act with honor and respect" you would expect some accountability this time? Because you certainly don't expect that from the mothers. You just expect them to give birth no matter if they're willing to agree to raise that child and be a good mother or not.

Their selection for POTUS is a known rapist.

That’s personal, how much did you give away?

If it were up to my ex girlfriend/ex wife, my son would have been aborted. He's 35 and doing so well in life.

Read an article today: Something like 1% of abortions are due to fetuses being "non birthamble" And .5 percent of abortions are due to incest/rape.
Abortion is being used as birth control, while birth control is available to everyone, male and female alike, for cheap.

Umm, who was it up to? I mean I’m happy you have your son, but you make it sound like she had no choice?

lol right. Like, was she forced to have the baby or just convinced to keep it? Two different things here.

I don't disagree with you except in the case of Rape and Incest. That is where I draw the line on a mans rights as a father. Also, if it comes down to the father saying I want the baby and the mom saying she doesn't, I have to defer to the mom, she's the one that has to give birth. However, when a man can carry the kid to term, then of course, he wins the decision. (kidding but not kidding)

I'm glad she chose to give birth to your son. My problem is me making the choice for millions of women I don't know. That choice is none of my business. Many people believe otherwise. As has been mentioned, you too had a choice to use contraceptives and chose not to. Had you have made a different choice she would never have been in that situation. I too made that choice when I was a young man and as a result I have a beautiful daughter. Our choices were the same and the results are too. The only difference between us seems to be that I don't believe it's my right to make that choice for everyone else.

except you had a daughter. Big differences there bro. You know, since these maga men want to control her reproductive rights also.

There is a huge difference between having a son and having a daughter. When you have a son you only have one penis to worry about. When you have a daughter you have to worry about all of them.

Classic!!

Jc

Karen’s for Facism (moms for liberty) took some massive L’s this election cycle.

Almost as if banning books is the exact opposite of ‘liberty’.

Statistics are meaningless when there is a person or couple that is one of them. We lost a baby at 16 weeks. Technically, it could be considered an abortion, and there are reports of women in Texas not being able to get the procedure and waiting for nature to intervene.