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Let’s gooooo!!! Freedom has been protected in Ohio! Women’s rights, and my right to start forest fires!!!

I’m proud of Ohio for voting on the side of sanity. My family came out in numbers to support women’s rights. Couldn’t be happier with the outcome. Ohio was too conservative when I left. It’s part of the reason why I left. Glad to see the tide turning.

Ohio makes the seventh out of seven in states that have voted on abortion to overturn their elected state governments restrictive abortion laws. States that voted and elected Republicans have drawn a line in the sand. And Ohio makes yet another state that has voted to overturn marijuana laws, something the federal government in their antiquated minds have continued to call a schedule 1 drug. I'm happy to see that Ohio has expanded their choices rather than continuing to allow their lawmakers to restrict their choices.

2024 is going to be a major L for the red team.

Couldn’t be happier about yesterday’s election results. Ohio took it’s future back from the radical gerrymandered MAGA State government. And serving up a bottomless glass of STFU to the right2lifers filled my soul.

I'm not so sure yesterday means what you think it means. It may. But there are a lot of moderate Republicans. Republicans who will side with abortion rights but not a lot of the democrats platform on other issues. One's that will support things like weed or abortion but would never vote for a Democrat as president or even to represent them in the senate or the house. There was some indication in Virginia that gave the Democrats a bigger advantage than they had going into last nights election but I'm not sure that's enough evidence to claim that will be a trend in 2024.

Anybody actually listening to what Trump says he will do in a second term might have to overcome that bipartisanship if they prefer living in a democracy over a Trumpian fascist dictatorship. That’s a tough pill to swallow no matter how stupid or stubborn they might be. So I’m banking on America’s better angels doing what’s best. And that’s been the trend since the first election Trump stole in 2016.

I'm certainly hoping for it but I'm not banking on it.

Given he is a rapist this is interesting.

Well, the Supreme Court returned the decision to the individual States and now 7 of the 50 have passed amendments to make it legal.

That appears to be an unintended consequence of the Dobbs decision…

43 to go.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Sometimes, this what happens when the dog catches the car- after 60 years of running full-tilt. Dobbs decision gave them what they'd been chasing. Dobbs also seems to be the tipping point across America that galvanized citizens of many different stripes on this one, specific issue. Turns out, ordinary people are not fans of stripping/limiting rights.

"It's an 'America thing'- fascists wouldn't understand."

We should all view this as a victory for "States' rights."
This time, The People- not legislators or unelected judges- have determined what we should do next.

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"When the Gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers."
-Oscar Wilde

A political party that suffers at the polls, customarily enters a period of self-reflection: "What did we do wrong? What might we do better?" Pols call this process a "post-mortem." The premise is that self-reflection reveals strengths/flaws, and gives the party an opportunity to fix problems, self-correct- and hopefully perform better in the future.

In the immediate aftermath of yesterday's election results, it's informative to spend time with our friends at Newsmax. After all, Newsmax/OANN/FOX are the sources I access when trying to understand voters who see things differently than I. In this particular interview, Rick Santorum was the guest.

If this is the level of self-awareness that passes for introspection, it doesn't surprise me that they find themselves in their current situation. There are none so blind than they who cannot see.

This one just made me shake my head, slowly.

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Bemoaning Ohio results, Santorum says ‘pure democracies’ aren’t how to run a country

After a particularly disappointing night of election results for Republicans, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) lamented “pure democracies,” where major decisions are left up to voters rather than their elected officials.

“Thank goodness that most of the states in this country don’t allow you to put everything on the ballot, because pure democracies are not the way to run a country,” Santorum said Tuesday night on Newsmax.

Ohio voters overwhelmingly approved separate ballot measures protecting abortion rights in the state constitution and legalizing recreational marijuana.

“You put very sexy things like abortion and marijuana on the ballot, and a lot of young people come out and vote,” Santorum said.

Nearly 57 percent of voters backed the abortion access measure, and about 56 percent approved of the marijuana measure. Both are set to take effect in 30 days.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4299354-santorum-ohio-results-pure-democracies/

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Like Donald Trump, The Joker, and Skeletor, this cardigan-wearing cut-rate cartoon villain is guilty of the same sin as all the others: saying the (stupid) secret parts out loud.

With guys like these, every single noise that spills from those holes at the the bottom of their faces tell us exactly who they are, and what they believe.
Believe what they say.

In essence, Rick Santorum is:

1. bemoaning the fact that American citizens still have an actionable voice in their country's future
2. applauding the concept of Gerrymandered politicians running s# in as many states as can be amassed.

What he isn't doing, is figuring out why that has already been backfiring on him/his... and will continue to spank dat azz, going forward.
Personally, I hope guys like him continue to double down on the deliberate deafness.

#hubris
#tonedeaf

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I wouldn't do that if I were you.

Nearly 1/3 of voters think Trump won 2020.

Trump currently leads (narrowly) Biden in the upcoming 2024 election.

People actually have to pay attention and look away from tik-tok or FB for a few moments - but don't hold your breath.

Many woman voted NO on issue one Mac, while many men voted Yes on issue one. Also Issue one passed in less counties than it failed in. It passed in large cities and failed in small towns.

Here is a list of the counties it passed and failed in.

https://www.wlwt.com/article/ohio-issue-1-abortion-rights-passes-county-map/45772375#

This was much closer than most of y'all thought. Take away the four largest Counties in ohio and the NO votes would have won.

Congrats to those of you who support abortion on your victory. Those of us who are against abortion will continue to fight, just like those of you who are for abortion continued to fight.

Thankfully those women trapped in rural communities that have other women voting against their own rights were supported by larger swaths of folks in big cities.
I know my rural family voted for women’s rights. And though the county they all live in swung against abortion, they still won their right to self determination.
Screw all the backwards folks around them. They can live with their rape babies if they choose. They can still choose to NOT have an abortion. While the rest of the state can do as they choose.
Such a simple, American, concept… choice.

I'll finish it for you to Murder!!!

Go have a God sanctioned rape baby. Enjoy.

Psychopaths that think like this are walking cockroaches on this planet… in need of eradication.
Idaho Republican Sen. Scott Herndon.
He wants to remove rape and incest exceptions from the state abortion ban, and says that it could be "cathartic" for teens raped by their dads to have the baby.
He believes teens being raped by family members are
"natural circumstances."

bUt ThE BaBy!!!!
Screw the teen… literally.

Many did. Most didn't......

About 80% of voters of color supported the abortion rights initiative, as did about 63% of White female voters with a college degree and nearly 6 in 10 White male college graduates. By contrast, White women without college degrees were about evenly split. White men without college degrees were among the relatively few demographic groups to solidly vote “no” on the initiative.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/politics/exit-polls-election-2023/index.html

It appears it wasn't men who deiced this issue. As you can see, it was mainly only white men without degrees who in the majority voted against the bill. People that have no uterus and can walk away at any time.


State elections are decided by voters, not land mass. Until bovines can vote that's the way it will continue to be.

And one good thing about it. Those people who don't want to get an abortion still don't have to. Nobody was voting to try and take that choice and right away from them.

I'll finish it for you. Day of The Dog, "Abortion is murder but killing innocent children in Gaza is just fine! I pick and choose which children I protect. Some you save and some you kill!"

Pro life my ass.

Counties don’t vote. People do.

And this is the way it should be. The abortion issue is a state issue, not a federal issue.

I think the only real issue to discuss is at what point should it not be allowed? Late term abortions should be illegal.

I actually don't disagree with you. But I would ask how one is to approach that? Would that be as Republicans have claimed, that abortion decisions are a state's issue where that may vary from state to state? Or is that now an exception that should be done on the national level? Because as states keep upholding the right to abortion, Republicans are beginning to change their tune about leaving it up to the states. There are some of them who believe that upholding states rights is a good thing when it serves to uphold their position. But when that backfires things become totally different.

GOP candidates clash over national abortion ban

The heated debate comes as deep-pocketed anti-abortion groups press the candidates to outline how far they would go if elected.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/23/gop-debate-national-abortion-ban-00112666

House GOP Forges Ahead on Wildly Unpopular National Abortion Ban

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...-on-unpopular-national-abortion-ban.html

Far-right hosts are blaming the GOP's big election losses on Taylor Swift

https://www.yahoo.com/news/far-hosts-blaming-gops-big-192544213.html

"Republicans still haven't internalized that the Left promotes abortion as a pro-feminism issue. They aren't voting to kill babies, they're voting bc of feminist movies like Barbie and pop stars like Taylor Swift influencing an army of voters," Posobiec wrote.

He fumed in another all-caps post that "THE CHILDLESS, UNMARRIED ABORTION ARMY MOBILIZED BY BARBIE, TAYLOR SWIFT, AND TIKTOK" was "CRUSHING REPUBLICANS AT THE BALLOT BOX."

Far-right firebrand media personality Charlie Kirk also went after Swift on his talk radio show on Wednesday, saying that the Republican Party "better have a plan" for the "Anti-Hero" singer's influence over young voters.

"Taylor Swift is going to come out in the presidential election and she is going to mobilize her fans," Kirk warned his viewers on Wednesday, adding, "And we're going to be like, 'Oh wow, where did all these young, female voters come from?' We better have a plan for that."

Kirk continued: "All the Swifties want is swift abortion. That's what they want. It's 100%."

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So, a couple things:

1. Republican voters, you guys need to understand that the absolute LAST demographic of Americans you want to beef with are Swifties. I understand you guys have a problem with pretty much everybody that isn’t - well - you, but I’d definitely consider not beefing with a demographic that transcends political, social, and racial ideology. But y’all gonna do it anyway so whatever.

2. Big picture here, this really highlights how much right wing Americans hate voter turnout. They show time and time again in multiple ways that they actually hate Americans exercising their constitutional right to vote. Can’t win on ideas, so just gonna suppress the vote as much as possible.

I have always felt that the feds had no business telling women what they should be doing and it should be handled on the state level.

Soon, all 50 will be back to where we were.

Guess what? “Pearl clutching conservative grannies” and “back in the day grandpas” have as much right as Millennials and Gen Z’s in a democracy.

Abortion is a losing Argument for conservatives in America. As Clem said, The Dobbs decision just illustrates that the dog caught the car and the car ran over it.

If you have objections to abortion, then don’t get one. Males included.

Maybe not 50, but I don't disagree. I see it as possible.

Yes they are decided by voters ALL voters. What I pointed out was that issue one was a failure in more places than it wasn't. If the far right had not been so stupid and set up abortion at 6 to 8 weeks, with no exceptions for rape/incest, or clear exceptions for the mothers life and health. IMO only I believe Issue one would have been a NO if the far right had set it at say 10 weeks (time enough to know they are preggers) with exceptions for both the mothers life and health, and for rape/incest.

My daughter in law was not confirmed until 14 weeks, my grandson is doing well.

Outlier yes, but a true story.

Once again you're trying to use geography as some kind of measuring stick. It's like saying the Mohave desert voters in California didn't support abortion. It's a lot of land with very few voters. I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make here. I mean you are certainly entitled to your opinion but while I think the vote may have been slightly closer under your scenario I don't think it would have changed the outcome.

I think it was the same point that fox was trying to make a couple nights ago. Show a map like Ohio on Issue 1 and note how many counties are red (no)-and then they say "how did the issue pass-look at the sea of red". Well, trees don't vote

Nor livestock....... yet.

She has 275 million followers and she absolutely can not stand drump

Your thread title is sexist as all get out.
WOW

How can anyone be surprised the right blames Taylor Swift? They always blame their own failures on the left. Let's face it, they have their own musicians railing for them. They're just mad that people like Ted Nugent, Lee Greenwood and Kid Rock can't raise the votes Taylor Swift can.

Ohio Republicans vow to target judiciary over Issue 1 abortion measure
Melissa Quinn
Fri, November 10, 2023 at 4:21 PM EST·3 min read

Washington — Republicans in the Ohio state legislature are threatening to strip state courts of their authority to review cases related to Issue 1, the ballot measure approved by voters on Tuesday that established a right to abortion in the state constitution.

A group of four state GOP lawmakers announced their plans in a press release Thursday, which also teased forthcoming legislative action in response to voters' approval of the reproductive rights initiative.

"Issue 1 doesn't repeal a single Ohio law, in fact, it doesn't even mention one," state Rep. Bill Dean said in a statement. "The amendment's language is dangerously vague and unconstrained, and can be weaponized to attack parental rights or defend rapists, pedophiles, and human traffickers."

The Ohio Republicans said state lawmakers "will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative. The Ohio legislature alone will consider what, if any, modifications to make to existing laws based on public hearings and input from legal experts on both sides."

Republicans hold wide majorities in both chambers of the Ohio General Assembly. The state's governor is a Republican, and the seven-seat Ohio Supreme Court has a 4-3 Republican majority.

Ohio state Rep. Jennifer Gross also claimed that the campaign in favor of Issue 1 was funded in part by foreign donations, saying, "this is foreign election interference, and it will not stand."

The GOP lawmakers did not provide details on the legislation they plan to introduce.

Issue 1

Ohio voters on Tuesday passed Issue 1 by a margin of 56.6% to 43.4%, marking the first time a Republican-led state has affirmatively guaranteed the right to abortion in its state constitution. The approval of the measure extended the winning streak by abortion-rights proponents after they were victorious in all six states where abortion-related measures were directly on the ballot last year.

The constitutional amendment, titled "The Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety," guarantees that every individual has the right to make their own decisions on abortion, contraception, fertility treatment, miscarriage and continuing their pregnancy. It also allows the state to prohibit abortion after fetal viability, considered between 22 and 24 weeks into pregnancy, except when necessary to protect the life or health of the mother.

Republicans who opposed the measure claimed it would allow parents to be excluded from their children's medical decisions and lead to abortions later in pregnancy. Less than 1% of all abortions performed in 2020 occurred at or after 21 weeks gestation, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Abortion-rights advocates are looking to combat stringent abortion laws and protect abortion access through citizen-initiated ballot measures following the Supreme Court's reversal of Roe v. Wade roughly 17 months ago. In addition to the campaign in Ohio that put the issue directly before voters, abortion-rights groups are mounting similar efforts to land proposals guaranteeing reproductive rights on the ballot in Florida, Arizona, and Nevada in 2024.


https://news.yahoo.com/ohio-republicans-vow-target-judiciary-212140700.html

Just like anything else, when the GOP says stuff like “states rights”, it’s just something they say, don’t actually mean.

So it went back to the states like GOPers wanted and they lost, so now they want to make new rules, move the goal post and try to shove their sickening fascist theological beliefs in every vagina in Ohio? You can’t make this [censored] up. We need a civil war, and we need to thin the idiots. Better yet, THE WHOLE WORLD needs a Thanos reset.

And BTW, GOPers can’t govern, can’t win, have bad and stupid ideas about how government works or should work, and cheat every time they get the chance. It’s how they’ve remained in power.. They elect idiots, dregs, fascists, corporatists, criminals and would-be dictators. They look in the mirror and blame everything wrong in their lives on democrats. Now, as if they weren’t already off the chain, they’ve moved onto violence, domestic terrorism, full on disinformation and propaganda attacks, coups, governmental overthrows, constant threats, vicious hate mongering, and blatant disregard for the will of the majority.

How is the majority supposed to live with that? There’s already a large swath of non-republicans that would be perfectly content to never interact with a MAGA GOPer again… Yet we suffer fools.

How much crack did you take tonight?

I do so it's a simple difference in opinion bro.

Having Lost Abortion Vote, Ohio GOP Now Plans to Sabotage Results
Tori Otten
Fri, November 10, 2023 at 4:24 PM EST·2 min read
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Ohio state Republican lawmakers are once again trying to overturn the will of the people, after a devastating loss on abortion rights.

Ohioans overwhelmingly chose to enshrine abortion protections in the state Constitution earlier this week. Republicans had tried multiple times to block the referendum, called Issue 1, but they were handily defeated every time.

So on Friday, the state GOP unveiled a new tactic: stopping the courts from allowing the new amendment to take effect.

“To prevent mischief by pro-abortion courts with Issue 1, Ohio legislators will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative,” Republican state representatives said in a press release. “The Ohio legislature alone will consider what, if any, modifications to make to existing laws based on public hearings and input from legal experts on both sides.”

The new amendment doesn’t take effect until December 7, and even then, it isn’t automatically implemented. Each individual abortion restriction needs to be repealed by a court. And Ohio has a lot of restrictions.

Abortion is legal up to 22 weeks, but certain abortion procedures are banned. Patients must wait 24 hours and undergo anti-abortion biased counseling before they can undergo the procedure. State-based insurance is prohibited from covering abortion services, and minors must have the consent of a parent, guardian, or judge in order to get an abortion.

As abortion reporter Jessica Valenti explained, Ohio Republicans don’t want the courts to repeal all of these restrictions. They want the GOP-controlled state legislature to decide whether to repeal the restrictions.

In the press release, lawmakers also blamed “foreign billionaires” for interfering in the election and tipping it in favor of abortion rights. In reality, right-wing billionaires and organizations donated millions of dollars from out of state (although still domestically) to try to block Issue 1.

This isn’t the first time Ohio Republicans have blatantly ignored—and actively worked against—what the people want. In August, they tried to raise the threshold for constitutional amendments to a 60 percent vote instead of a simple majority.

When that failed, the Ohio Ballot Board voted 3–2, along party lines, to change the text of the amendment on the ballot to a Republican-authored summary littered with inflammatory and fearmongering language.

Republicans have repeatedly refused to accept the results of elections on abortion, in a massive threat to local democracy. In Kansas, despite residents voting overwhelmingly in August 2022 to keep abortion rights in the state Constitution, the state legislature is still trying to pass laws that would restrict abortion access. And in Wisconsin, after voters elected a state Supreme Court judge in large part because of her outspoken support for abortion access, state Republicans tried to impeach her.

https://news.yahoo.com/having-lost-abortion-vote-ohio-212408227.html

And one line from Dewine about we accept election results in this country. You have the current leader of your party as well as most of his underlings not accepting the election results from 2020. And some of those 91 felonies are why. And you dumbasses still won't come out and say you lost

Ohio Gov. DeWine ‘accepts’ will of the people on abortion, marijuana, but hold on

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine is “accepting” the will of the people on legalizing abortion access and marijuana recreation, but that acceptance comes with caveats.

State of the State Address
By: Morgan TrauPosted at 6:20 PM, Nov 09, 2023 and last updated 12:38 PM, Nov 10, 2023
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine is “accepting” the will of the people on legalizing abortion access and marijuana recreation, but that acceptance comes with caveats.

Days after Ohioans voted to enshrine abortion and other reproductive rights in the state constitution, the governor acknowledged the result — even as fellow Republicans look for ways to overturn it.



"In this country, we accept the results of elections, and we certainly accept the results of Issue 1 in Ohio as well as Issue 2," he said.

Dozens of Statehouse Republicans wrote a letter saying they would try to prevent the repealing of anti-abortion provisions, in essence stopping Issue 1 from taking effect. However, DeWine emphasized the importance of respecting the voters. Despite doing so, he avoided answering Statehouse reporter Morgan Trau's questions about the efforts of his colleagues.

"Do you think that GOP plans or opponent plans to repeal it would be going against the will of the people?" Trau asked.

"Look — I'm not going to talk about what anybody else is doing," DeWine said. "What I've just said is that we respect the vote but like everything else in this country, whether it's legislation passed by the General Assembly, a constitutional amendment passed by the people, we always continue to evaluate how things are working."


DeWine kept DeFlecting but eventually said the voters and lawmakers would consider all avenues.

"People will decide if they are comfortable with what we voted on, or they will decide that it maybe needs to be changed or tweaked," the governor said.

RELATED: Issue 1 passed in Ohio, protecting abortion rights — now what?


However, he acknowledged one of the reasons Issue 1 passed is because of the unpopular six-week abortion ban, one without exceptions for rape and incest. This was a bill he signed into law but said he wasn't responsible for the constitutional amendment.

"How people felt once Roe v. Wade was overturned, what was hypothetical became real... You can see a change in people's opinions," he said.

The governor also pushed back against the GOP members planning on overhauling Issue 2, which legalized recreational marijuana, but he said he does want to see some changes.


"We have an obligation to make sure that this is done right," he added.

He says that his main recommendation to the lawmakers is to make sure that Ohioans are protected from smoke in public places and that children don't accidentally ingest weed products like gummies.

"People have a right to smoke marijuana, that's fine," DeWine said. "But other people have a right not to smell it and not to have their kids or their grandkids exposed to it."

DeWine seemed to get fed up with reporters asking about repealing or changing both Issues. News 5's media partner, the Ohio Capital Journal, asked a follow-up question about J.D. Vance making a comment about abortion, which DeWine rejected.

"No, no, no, no, no," DeWine said. "How often in this conversation you all are not quoting me.... I always take responsibility for what I say, but you're quoting someone else — this is about the eighth time.

"I'm happy to dodge that question like I tried to dodge the other ones."


What's next

Democratic representatives have introduced legislation to repeal numerous restrictions in state law to abortion access.

Some of these included removing the six-week ban and the mandatory 24-hour waiting period between showing up to get an abortion and getting the procedure.

"This bill is making sure that people do have access to by removing some of the barriers that have been put in place over the last 20 or 30 years that really impact women's health and the care they're able to receive," physician and state representative Beth Liston (D-Dublin) said.

It is unlikely that the Republicans in the statehouse will pass this bill. In fact, News 5 asked state Rep. Josh Williams (R-Sylvania) if he thinks it will be heard, and he just responded, "No."

"What's going to happen is those restrictions are going to have to be challenged in court," Williams said.

Williams is one of the 27 of 67 Republican members of the House who have condemned the passage of Issue 1.


"We will do everything in our power to prevent our laws from being removed based upon perception of intent," the letter states.

When asked what this meant, Williams said it means whether or not Issue 1 being put into effect or the new legislation from the Democrats would directly conflict with existing law.

The lawmakers then plan to challenge these in court, he said. However, there doesn't seem to be much legally the GOP can do.

"The key is to make sure that the public knows exactly what it is — in case we try to amend this amendment in the future," he said.

Liston knew this was the likely situation and that the Republicans would ignore her bill, but said it's her job as a lawmaker in the Democratic caucus to lift up Ohioans voices.

"I'm not sure what some of the extremists will be doing, but we will be working to make sure that women have access to health care," she said.

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news...people-on-abortion-marijuana-but-hold-on

Typical conservative and republicans.

Conservatives: We support peaceful protest!!

*Kaep kneels**

Conservatives: not like that!!!!

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Conservatives: let the states decide!!

*states vote for pro-choice**

Conservatives: not like that either!!!

Their policies suck. They know they have to force them on their populace because they can’t do it through a vote. Why people keep voting these anti American losers into office I’ll never understand.

Wedge issues and clowns on fox news lying through their teeth to the old and ill informed on a whole bunch of issues like that the dems are coming for your social security/medicare all the while why the repubs are actively working to cut the programs.
They are too damn stupid to figure out that tax cuts don't create more tax revenue.

I wish I could find the story again, but it appears that DeWine is going to try to change Issue 1..

Can someone tell me when republicans are going to learn to accept defeat. The will of the people should mean something. But to GOPers, it's clear that it does not.

Respect, but you’re dead wrong on this issue and always will be. And men shouldn’t even have a vote.

Never.

They have decided to make overturning election results into an art form. The vote of the people mean nothing to them. I expected no less from this bunch.

Complains about fascists and dictators, yet OCD wants to eliminate any one who disagrees with him. And the liberals can't figure out why they are being called commies. You can't make this stuff up.

If the results of issue 1 were reversed, would you have accepted the will of the people or keep fighting?

You can't make up that one side tried to overturn our elections and on this board they have failed to even address that. The fact that their parties eventual nominee to run for president has said he will pardon those who tried to interfere with that election. But yeah, OCD is the problem. lmao

I thought you were opposed to genocide. I guess you switched sides again.

When did OCD commit genocide?

As long as it's the mans baby as well then he should have a say. When a woman gets preggers without him I will agree that he should have zero say bro

There are other things that Republicans have pushed that I don't like also,,, Citizens United.. I don't think that corporations are people and I never did.

As mentioned many times in other threads your man vote has consequences. Your vote helped give fatherly rights to rapists in Ohio. When a women doesn’t want to get peggers and is coerced into unprotected sex, the man or boy is usually the instigator. Date rape. Dude doesn’t deserve to get a vote.

My vote against abortion has NOTHING to do with some jackdonkeys on the far right did not want exemptions for rape/incest, and for the life and health of the mother has zero to do with me. I agree that anybody who rapes another person should have none, zero, zilch, nada say in the matter.

While I get what you're saying and understand it, surely deep down you knew and understood that the far right was going to rule the day on this. That they would go to these extreme measures and that's exactly what your vote would result in. And sadly that's what voting has turned into these days. Half of the things the people you vote for stand for are not the things we stand for. You chose what you see as the lesser of the two evils in this instance. I understand that. But it's hard for me to believe that in the political climate we live in today you didn't see the results of it coming.

And while you say the father should have some say in this, that too sounds great in principal. But we have so many deadbeat dad's in this country. Women living off of government assistance because the dad's won't pay child support. Living in poverty while raising those children alone. My oldest grandson is almost 30 and his two siblings are in their mid 20's and their dad is still paying back child support. Very little at a time. She doesn't need that money now but it wasn't there when she did. Once again the fathers rights issue is a two edged sword. And some of the consequences that would come from that you would end up not liking too.

Your vote in your eyes has nothing to do with the jackmonkeys, but they will take your vote and implement their extreme wishes.
You can't have your cake and eat it too

That kinda depends on how you voted on issue # 1 this election.

Deep down I expect others to act with honor and respect for others. If they don't that's on them not me, or you or anybody else. Almost every single republican I know wanted exemptions for rape/incest, and for the health of the mother.


According to your logic then there is no need to vote at all since neither side is going to vote exactly for each and every thing I would.


Up we have way to many dead beat dads. (Hell one is to many) We also have many dead beat moms. All the more reason to let the Dads raise their own children if they want too.

BOTH sides do that, so just like I told Pit, why do you even bother to vote?

Then you have unrealistic expectations which has been proven to you time and time again. Ignoring the obvious is what one would have to have done not to see this coming. Hopefully every other single Republican you know learned their lesson on that as well.


Which is nothing close to what I said. I'm just saying there are consequences you may not like when you vote for someone in either party. You obviously don't like some of the consequences that came with Ohio's abortion law as it was.


So then should these future fathers be required to sign a contract guaranteeing they will raise and support the child after it is born with legal consequences attached if they don't? Because I would think that after learning your lesson about expecting "others to act with honor and respect" you would expect some accountability this time? Because you certainly don't expect that from the mothers. You just expect them to give birth no matter if they're willing to agree to raise that child and be a good mother or not.

Their selection for POTUS is a known rapist.

That’s personal, how much did you give away?

If it were up to my ex girlfriend/ex wife, my son would have been aborted. He's 35 and doing so well in life.

Read an article today: Something like 1% of abortions are due to fetuses being "non birthamble" And .5 percent of abortions are due to incest/rape.
Abortion is being used as birth control, while birth control is available to everyone, male and female alike, for cheap.

Umm, who was it up to? I mean I’m happy you have your son, but you make it sound like she had no choice?

lol right. Like, was she forced to have the baby or just convinced to keep it? Two different things here.

I don't disagree with you except in the case of Rape and Incest. That is where I draw the line on a mans rights as a father. Also, if it comes down to the father saying I want the baby and the mom saying she doesn't, I have to defer to the mom, she's the one that has to give birth. However, when a man can carry the kid to term, then of course, he wins the decision. (kidding but not kidding)

I'm glad she chose to give birth to your son. My problem is me making the choice for millions of women I don't know. That choice is none of my business. Many people believe otherwise. As has been mentioned, you too had a choice to use contraceptives and chose not to. Had you have made a different choice she would never have been in that situation. I too made that choice when I was a young man and as a result I have a beautiful daughter. Our choices were the same and the results are too. The only difference between us seems to be that I don't believe it's my right to make that choice for everyone else.

except you had a daughter. Big differences there bro. You know, since these maga men want to control her reproductive rights also.

There is a huge difference between having a son and having a daughter. When you have a son you only have one penis to worry about. When you have a daughter you have to worry about all of them.

Classic!!

Jc

Karen’s for Facism (moms for liberty) took some massive L’s this election cycle.

Almost as if banning books is the exact opposite of ‘liberty’.

Statistics are meaningless when there is a person or couple that is one of them. We lost a baby at 16 weeks. Technically, it could be considered an abortion, and there are reports of women in Texas not being able to get the procedure and waiting for nature to intervene.

jc

Colorado voters killed Prop HH, but state Democrats could keep parts of it alive in special session

Prop HH failed in Colorado(a convoluted plan to deal with 40-50% property tax increases many people saw this year). Seems democrats don't care about the will of the voters either.

I may not get the entire picture here but from reading the first half of the article, it sounds like they are just trying to find a way to help those hurting. Idk, but I can’t fault them for that. And it also didn’t sound like they were republicans shoving their minority beliefs on people… It sounds like they are going to salvage or attempt to salvage the parts that would truly help people regardless of party or wealth. I can see why you would be outraged by that…

Lol here comes the leader of the untruthful brigade. Colorado republicans helped kill Prop HH here. Democrats are keeping parts of it alive not Goper’s. But nice finger poking bro.

And now it's New Hampshire with one of the most restrictive bills on abortion yet....

New Hampshire Republicans Introduce 15-Day Abortion Ban

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/hampshire-republicans-introduce-15-day-184319358.html

Good for them. Life is important and it must be protected.