Yes, Doofus McGoofus, multiple hours long waits to vote in Red state major cities in 80+ degree temps tends to leave people thirsty, tired, and annoyed. And we all get that that is the GOPer goal, but you won’t admit it to save your lives. NOPE. but you’ll come in like a green bag on the curb and call em libtard snowflakes and pussies.
I watched 100s of old people in those lines, just exhausted, but going through that hell to vote out Trump. It was wrong, is wrong, and always will be wrong. Voting should be encouraged by everyone, not limited by the party that can’t govern.
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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
I understand that showing an obvious pattern isn't something you favor. You forgot that Santos, MTG and Jan. 6th were included as well. But that's easy for you to do since you have TDR.
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1) Bring your own refreshments lazy asses. 2) The reason they said no handouts is because the people doing the handouts were campaigning while they were doing it. Which is illegal as you may not campaign within x number of a feet from a polling place.
Libtards are the biggest snowflakes ever. WAAAAHHHHH We're gonna melt in line. We need refreshments!!
I didn't call them snowflakes. I called all the able bodied young libtards who need refreshments snowflakes. Talk about privliged. But thanks for making up lies.
It's not my fault you either didn't read or didn't comprehend what you responded to. I posted in quotes what you responded to. It's not hard to understand.
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Where are these long lines everyone is talking about?
Google it and make me eat my words, I dare you. Hard to find anything past the 2020... and 90% of those stories were long lines in the first days of early voting.
CNN could only find pics of white voters waiting in lines though, maybe the photoshop department was closed that day...
Since then nearly every state has expanded early voting to accomodate all of these poor souls.
"With polls open across the country, no widespread problems with ballots, long lines or voter intimidation were reported, though there were hiccups in some places, which is typical on any Election Day."
Please post your stories of the long lines past the pandemic or quit using a b.s. narrative from once in a lifetime circumstances to lie about today or falsely predict the future.
As far as refreshments and the whole "denying humans the basic right of water". Here's what everyone is crying about:
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Democrats repeatedly mischaracterized a simple provision in the law that bans political solicitations within 150 feet of voting locations. President Biden said: “It’s an atrocity … they passed a law saying you can’t provide water for people standing in line while they’re waiting to vote. You don’t need anything else to know that this is nothing but punitive design to keep people from voting. You can’t provide water for people about to vote? Give me a break.”
In fact, the law is focused on preventing political groups from soliciting or pressuring voters as they try to cast their ballot. The provision reads: “No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector.” The law allows for self-service water stations, and of course voters can bring water with them. Groups can also set up tables 150 feet or more away from polling locations and hand out literature, food, water, or anything else.
In the end, the claims about access to water, just like the claims about “voter suppression” and early closing times at the polls, proved to be nothing more than mischaracterization and outright falsehoods about a law that is well within the mainstream of election laws across the states. The Georgia law protects all Georgians right to vote while ensuring that elections in Georgia are secure.
Oh, the horror! Imagine walking 150 feet for a drink of water? Not in my America!
And here, let's repost this in case anyone missed it the first time...
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UGA poll: 0% of black respondents said their voting experience in Georgia was poor in the 2022 midterm election. Around 73% of black voters said it was excellent, equal to white voters. https://t.co/tQYs54wGgN pic.twitter.com/z67fwEJr0d
— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) January 23, 2023
That’s right: 0 percent of black voters in Georgia said they had a poor experience voting. Zero.
On the positive side, 72.6 percent of black voters said their voting experience was excellent, almost identical to the 72.7 percent of white voters who said so.
Only 0.8 percent of black Georgia voters rated the job performance of election officials in their county as poor. That compares to 1.4 percent of white voters.
When asked if they faced a problem voting, any problem at all, 99.5 percent of black voters said they had not. That’s slightly more than the 98.7 percent of white voters who said the same.
On election confidence, 94.3 percent of black Georgia voters said they were confident their vote was counted as they intended, and 79.7 percent said they were confident the state counted all votes as intended. For white voters, it was 88 percent and 74.8 percent, respectively.
When asked whether it was easier or harder to vote in 2022 than it was in 2020, 19.1 percent of black voters said it was easier, compared to only 13.3 percent of white voters. The vast majority said there was no difference (72.5 percent of black voters and 80.1 percent of white voters).
That is all well and good. If the polling places can't get enough people to volunteer, it's hard to keep the poll open there.
That's a bigger problem than you think that nobody talks about.
And I really can't say I disagree with you. So then the question becomes why close the polling locations where people lack adequate means to transportation and in areas where minorities vote rather than more affluent communities where those situations do not exist? Why polling places are being close does not address where they're being closed.
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I'm glad conditions are getting better in "some places". That still doesn't change the fact you keep ignoring where they're getting worse.
My point is "worse", "harder" and all these terms are relative. Harder than what?
Living in poverty is hard by all standards, there is no magic cure. There is also no possible way to make everything perfect in any discussion surrounding any subject. With all the problems presented by poverty, difficulty in voting is akin to swatting away a fly from your picnic table in the grand scheme of things. It's been made out to be some wide-spread horror story that simply doesn't exist... during a time when major strides have been taken to making voting way, way easier and convenient than it's ever been before.
Harder than they were. And they still are in many places. When you make voting "way easier" and then reverse that trend, that's making it harder. Are you trying to say that closing polling places mainly in minority areas doesn't make voting harder for people that often times have little means to travel further? Or that passing a law that now only has one drop box in the entire county for 2.4 million people who mainly vote Democrat isn't a step backwards and makes it harder and take much longer to use a drop box?
There are certainly parts of this country that have made it more difficult. I'm not sure where you are getting that people are trying to "make that a horror story". It's great that major strides have been made in voting until you start limiting the strides that have been made and seemingly target where you institute those limitations. I applaud places that make it an even playing field for everyone. I applaud efforts any time a state rolls back things that were unfairly targeted before.
But I think it's a unfair when people stop to realize just how many people have fought and died for our rights which includes the right to vote and then try to trivialize that by saying, "With all the problems presented by poverty, difficulty in voting is akin to swatting away a fly from your picnic table in the grand scheme of things." I don't think that's the intent with which you may have meant it but that's the way it came off to me. I consider voting as a quintessential right of American citizens that may be even more important to the marginalized in our society than anyone else. At least just as important.
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I guess I was under the impression we had regular voting, early voting, mail in voting. Am I wrong?
The left will use whatever type voting they can to win. It's like having a game that is played between 1 and 4 but if your behind when it ends let's extend the hours. Also, let's let those not registered votes, let's vote darn near year around. I mean anything but playing within a set of rules.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
The left will use whatever type voting they can to win. It's like having a game that is played between 1 and 4 but if your behind when it ends let's extend the hours. Also, let's let those not registered votes, let's vote darn near year around. I mean anything but playing within a set of rules.
And now the brainwashed MAGA crowd chimes in. Murica! Freedumb!
Raffensperger says: Total of 4 dead people voted, not 5,000 as Trump claimed
Not at all, most of the argument seems to be about the convenience of drop boxes. While I'll gladly admit that only one drop box in an area of millions of people seems ridiculous, I'll preface that by saying in my opinion the idea of drop boxes itself is ridiculous and opens the possibility for "cheating' in an exponential manner by comparison. I think we all want our elections to be just and true. That requires checks, balances and accountability.
And again, acting like you are offered no ability to vote because a drop box is far away is like complaining that the dairy section is in the back of Wal-Mart... it doesn't mean you are being deprived of the luxury of drinking milk. Anybody that doesn't want to drive to a drop box can purchase a postage stamp, it's literally cheaper than the gas you'll burn driving to a drop box that is a mere three miles away.
Widespread adoption of early voting has squashed all of these theories of injustice and suppression... some people are just riding off the fumes and trying to make it some great injustice that the facts say it is not.
Federal Court Moves to Drastically Weaken Voting Rights Act Nick Corasaniti Updated Mon, November 20, 2023 at 3:32 PM EST·5 min read 411
Voting rights leaders have viewed the current conservative makeup of the Supreme Court as hostile to the Voting Rights Act. (The New York Times) (NYT) A federal appeals court on Monday moved to drastically weaken the Voting Rights Act, issuing a ruling that would effectively bar private citizens and civil rights groups from filing lawsuits under a central provision of the landmark civil rights law.
The ruling, made by the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, found that only the federal government could bring a legal challenge under Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act, a crucial part of the law that prohibits election or voting practices that discriminate against Americans based on race.
The opinion is almost certain to be appealed to the Supreme Court. The court’s current conservative majority has issued several key decisions in recent years that have weakened the Voting Rights Act. But the justices have upheld the law in other instances, including in a June ruling that found Alabama had drawn a racially discriminatory congressional map.
Passed in 1965, the Voting Rights Act was one of the most significant achievements of the civil rights movement, undoing decades of discriminatory Jim Crow laws and protecting against egregious racial gerrymanders. But the law has been under legal assault almost since its inception, and court decisions through the years have hollowed out key provisions, including a requirement that states with a history of discrimination in voting obtain approval from the federal government before changing their voting laws.
Monday’s decision by the 8th Circuit found that the text of the Voting Rights Act did not explicitly contain language for “a private right of action,” or the right of private citizens to file lawsuits under the law. Therefore, the court found, the right to sue would effectively lie with the government alone.
Should the ruling stand, it would remove perhaps the most important facet of the Voting Rights Act; the majority of challenges to discriminatory laws and racial gerrymanders have come from private citizens and civil rights groups.
“It will be a devastating near-death blow to the Voting Rights Act if it remains the law,” said Wendy Weiser, director of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice. “Radical theories that would previously have been laughed out of court have been taken increasingly seriously by an increasingly radical judiciary.”
But Weiser said she “would be surprised if this decision stands,” based on decades of legal precedent and recent rulings by the Supreme Court.
Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act has been at the heart of many civil rights and voting rights decisions. The case in the Supreme Court’s ruling in June against Alabama’s map was brought by a number of civil rights organizations. In 2013, the section was also used to challenge a strict voter identification law passed in Texas.
Some conservative legal scholars heralded Monday’s decision, saying it would prevent the Voting Rights Act from being used for political ends.
“Today’s decision is a win for Arkansas and for the rule of law,” said Jason Snead, executive director of the Honest Elections Project, a conservative group. “The Voting Rights Act (VRA) remains intact as a tool to prevent actual discrimination and disenfranchisement. But the VRA is not, and was never intended to be, a partisan weapon against democratically enacted election integrity laws and redistricting practices.”
The current legal debate over who can bring Section 2 claims took a significant turn in February 2022, when Judge Lee Rudofsky, a district judge in eastern Arkansas appointed by then-President Donald Trump, found that “only the Attorney General of the United States may bring suit” to enforce Section 2.
The decision was appealed to the 8th Circuit, which Monday issued a 2-1 ruling largely agreeing with the previous decision and finding that the law did not explicitly provide for a “private right of action.”
“Did Congress give private plaintiffs the ability to sue under [Section] 2 of the Voting Rights Act?” wrote Judge David Stras, an appointee of Trump’s. “Text and structure reveal that the answer is no.”
Proponents of the law and its use by private citizens point to statements made by Congress in 1982, when the Voting Rights Act was amended. In a report that accompanied the changes to the law, the House and Senate Judiciary Committees said, “It is intended that citizens have a private cause of action to enforce their rights under Section 2.”
The 8th Circuit rejected that argument in its Monday ruling, stating that the committee's report “does not point to a single word or phrase in the Voting Rights Act in support of the conclusion that a private right of action has existed from the beginning.”
Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act has faced legal challenges before. In 2021, the Supreme Court found that Section 2 could be used to strike down voting restrictions only when they imposed substantial and disproportionate burdens on minority voters.
But the court left Section 2 intact, and it has remained a critical tool for civil rights groups, especially when challenging congressional and legislative district maps.
The battle over voting rights has entered a pitched new phase since the 2020 election. After Trump tried to overturn the outcome with a campaign casting doubt on the integrity of the country’s electoral infrastructure, Republican-led state legislatures across the country passed laws adding new restrictions to voting.
Sophia Lin Lakin, director of the Voting Rights Project at the American Civil Liberties Union, who argued the appeal on behalf of the challengers, called Monday’s ruling a “travesty for democracy.”
“For generations, private individuals have brought cases under Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act to protect their right to vote,” she said in a statement. “By failing to reverse the district court’s radical decision, the 8th Circuit has put the Voting Rights Act in jeopardy, tossing aside critical protections that voters fought and died for.”
Nobody has, that's true. And in your last response to the thread, it's not just about drop boxes. It's about where they have chosen to close polling locations as well. And nobody said anyone was "offered no ability to vote" because a drop box is far away. That's simply something you made up. All that has been said is that places have made it more difficult in some places to vote. They have limited the option and ease with which there was to vote prior to the changes they made in their laws. And for all of the rationalizations you have used, that is factually correct no matter how hard you dance around it.
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I guess I was under the impression we had regular voting, early voting, mail in voting. Am I wrong?
If you wish to gloss over an entire topic with one sentence I would say you are correct.
So, one can vote in person on election day. One can vote early. One can get a mail in ballot. What else needs to be done? Do we need pollsters to actually go to homes/apartments in person?
I guess I was under the impression we had regular voting, early voting, mail in voting. Am I wrong?
If you wish to gloss over an entire topic with one sentence I would say you are correct.
So, one can vote in person on election day. One can vote early. One can get a mail in ballot. What else needs to be done? Do we need pollsters to actually go to homes/apartments in person?
What needs to be done is stop going backwards. Stop closing polling places in minority neighborhoods. Stop making it to where 2.4 million people only have one drop box location. I know you can see that. But rather than admit that you have to make silly analogies.
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Why don't they vote early, or use mail in ballots?
Why should they have to? Shouldn't they have easy access to a polling location like you do? Shouldn't they have easy to get to drop boxes that aren't shared by 2.4 million people like you do? Or are you suggesting some of their options be more difficult than yours?
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