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That's twice now you've posted an opinion from the same attorney, who just so happens to be one of trump's former attorney's as if it means something. It's an opinion from a very bias source. And that's all it is.


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Lawyers have a spin on everything. The 14th has never been tested in court. Nobody knows what a court will decide. But there is no question about it. trump engaged in insurrection and tried to overturn the vote in his favor. He’s been charged with nearly 100 crimes and he’ll eventually be prosecuted. He doesn’t qualify to be on the 2024 ballot. He can try again in 2028 if found innocent.


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just to be clear, this only applies to the state's republican primary, and doesn't actually affect the general election ballot.

a primary where everyone else is fighting for 2nd place because Trump already had the nomination wrapped up when he announced his reelection bid.

That's true, but if it stands, the ripple effect leading into next year would be gigantic.


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https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...0-in-possible-trump-14th-amendment-case/

Former White House lawyer Ty Cobb predicted Tuesday that the U.S. Supreme Court could rule “9-0” in favor of former President Trump in a potential appeal of Colorado Supreme Court’s ruling that would kick Trump off the state’s ballot.

“I think this case will be handled quickly. I think it could be 9-0 in the Supreme Court for Trump,” Cobb said in an interview on CNN, adding later, “I do believe it could be 9-0, because I think the law is clear.”


The Colorado Supreme Court issued a ruling Tuesday that Trump should not appear on Colorado’s ballot due to his alleged role in the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack.

Citing the 14th Amendment’s “insurrection clause,” the 4-3 ruling by the Colorado Supreme Court argued Trump engaged in an insurrection by promoting false claims of election fraud and encouraging supporters to go the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

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The Colorado Supreme Court ruled the office of the president falls under the insurrection clause, which states those who previously took oaths to support the Constitution as a “member of Congress,” “officer of the United States,” “member of any State legislature” or an “executive or judicial officer of any State” cannot engage in a rebellion against it.

“The real key issue in this case is — is Trump an officer in the United States in the context in which that term is used in the Article 3 of the 14th Amendment,” Cobb said. “And in 2010, Chief Justice [John] Roberts explained in free enterprise that people don’t vote for officers of the United States.”

Cobb went on to reference multiple Supreme Court decisions that do not conclude officers include the president or vice president in this context.

Steven Cheung, a spokesperson for Trump’s campaign, has already vowed the Trump campaign will appeal the ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority and includes three justices nominated by Trump.


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“The Supreme Court though will not hesitate to move quickly on this; they know what the stakes are. They know what their responsibility is,” Cobb continued. “And they can delay some of these Colorado dates to the extent that they feel they’re obligated to or have to.”

Colorado’s Supreme Court put its ruling on hold until Jan. 4 to allow Trump to first seek review from the U.S. Supreme Court. If he does, his name will automatically remain on the ballot until justices resolve the appeal.

Cobb further argued the ruling “vindicates” Trump’s “insistence that this is a political conspiracy to interfere with the election and that … he’s the target and people shouldn’t tolerate that in America.”

I mentioned my disagreement with Cobb before, and I stand by that. Certainly a prediction for a 9-0 decision, or even hinting at that, seems quite aggressive, to say the least.

I wouldn't necessarily seem surprised if it was overturned by the Supreme Court, but I think Cobb is myopic on his focus on the definition of "officer." Yes, it was a section of the decision, but A) It's one of many points they discussed and B) I don't think it was at the crux of the decision. I think if it gets overturned, I agree more with Raskin's theory that the SCOTUS majority would try to find an easier off-ramp (something like the 2/3 of Congress dynamic), rather than taking a kitchen sink approach of surgically addressing every section of the Colorado Supreme Court's decision. The latter would be painful, because the Colorado Supreme Court was surgical in how it came to those various rulings, whether one agrees or disagrees.

Moreover, his reference to Free Enterprise is apples and oranges, and my guess is that he said it as part of an MSM analysis because he knows most of the public can't recall various SCOTUS cases off the top of their heads. Hell, most attorneys can't either (myself included). Anyhow, Free Enterprise talked about The Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, created by Sarbanes Oxley in 2002. The members of the board were appointed by the SEC. The case goes into the process of removal of these officers from the board.

I couldn't readily find his reference to Roberts' quote in that decision, but I am theorizing it would be dicta and hardly direct precedent for the current case. Furthermore, in Roberts' decision on Free Enterprise, he references Congressional intent to bolster his decision. If anything, that would lead me to believe he would actually rely on the Congressional proceedings that the Colorado Supreme Court cited in its own decisions.

Again, JMHO. Who knows how this will turn out.


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All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!

Oh and you almost have Texas BLUE thanks to the disgraceful handling of the border. A country without borders is not a country, yet the big guy has thousands busing over everyday ILLEGALLY.

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Originally Posted by JimDawg
All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!
Sure. Facts be damned, you roll with your emotions because.... Well just because. At least you don't have to debate anything that way. Murica!!


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https://www.cpr.org/2023/12/20/how-colorados-supreme-court-justices-divided-on-trump-ruling/

05, here is the breakdown of the court. 4-3 decision wasn’t along party lines (a Democrat voted in the minority) but not all Judges have party affiliation since it is supposed to be a non partisan position. When a Republican or Democratic Governor appoints someone I assume they are appointing someone who has a like mind. I could be wrong but I believe that the court is probably 6-1 Democrats I only saw one judge who was a Republican or appointed by one.

What does this mean? Probably nothing.


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Originally Posted by mgh888
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All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!
Sure. Facts be damned, you roll with your emotions because.... Well just because. At least you don't have to debate anything that way. Murica!!

LOL...They are trying to use a Civil War case to keep Trump off the ballot...Hilarious! SCOTUS will laugh it out of the Court. Laughing at you guys.

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Originally Posted by mgh888
Originally Posted by JimDawg
All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!
Sure. Facts be damned, you roll with your emotions because.... Well just because. At least you don't have to debate anything that way. Murica!!

When it comes to certain types I just refer to this quote from Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

“Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force.
Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease.
Against stupidity we are defenseless.
Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one's prejudgment simply need not be believed - in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical - and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self-satisfied and,
being easily
irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack.
For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one.
Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.”


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Originally Posted by JimDawg
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All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!
Sure. Facts be damned, you roll with your emotions because.... Well just because. At least you don't have to debate anything that way. Murica!!

LOL...They are trying to use a Civil War case to keep Trump off the ballot...Hilarious! SCOTUS will laugh it out of the Court. Laughing at you guys.


Libtards will do anything to take choice away from Americans and dictate a leader. They are the fascists here.


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Yes Eve and how can the liberals on this board be so blind to it?

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That's actually funny coming from someone who has defended Republican states who have been on a campaign to make it harder for some demographics to vote. All in the name of fixing an issue that doesn't really exist... And where voter fraud was found in the last election it's widely been the Republicans that were found to be guilty.

You and Jim make a handsome pairing. Maybe teach him some of your insults that are a play on the mentally disabled, be classy together.

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That's actually funny coming from someone who has defended Republican states who have been on a campaign to make it harder for some demographics to vote. All in the name of fixing an issue that doesn't really exist... And where voter fraud was found in the last election it's widely been the Republicans that were found to be guilty.

You and Jim make a handsome pairing. Maybe teach him some of your insults that are a play on the mentally disabled, be classy together.


Georgia made it easier to vote and you and your circle jerkers will not convince me otherwise.


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Originally Posted by JimDawg
All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!

Oh and you almost have Texas BLUE thanks to the disgraceful handling of the border. A country without borders is not a country, yet the big guy has thousands busing over everyday ILLEGALLY.

Well let em wake up! MAYBE THEY’LL FINALLY FIGURE OUT THEY WERE DUPES! I don’t give a damn what you think, Trump directed/lead an insurrection by every definition and multiple judges have now reached that conclusion. AND DISQUALIFICATION is the most ‘constitutional’ thing to do with that traitor.

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All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!
Sure. Facts be damned, you roll with your emotions because.... Well just because. At least you don't have to debate anything that way. Murica!!

LOL...They are trying to use a Civil War case to keep Trump off the ballot...Hilarious! SCOTUS will laugh it out of the Court. Laughing at you guys.


Libtards will do anything to take choice away from Americans and dictate a leader. They are the fascists here.

Your guy attempted a coup. His people erected a gallows for the VP on the steps of the Capitol because he (Pence) stuck to his constitutional duty and didn't subvert the will of the people.

Your guy says the election was stolen but has somehow not been able to produce a single shred of evidence in the 70-some lawsuits that got laughed out of each court (some by Trump-appointed judges).

His appointees are pretty much all in jail or have turned on him. His remaining friends are the likes of MTG, Gym Jordan, and Putin.


He deserves to be at the business end of a firing squad, or at the very least getting his affairs in order prior to a very lengthy stay in prison.

How anyone can take anything this man says at face value is astounding.


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Your guy attempted a coup. His people erected a gallows for the VP on the steps of the Capitol because he (Pence) stuck to his constitutional duty and didn't subvert the will of the people.

Your guy says the election was stolen but has somehow not been able to produce a single shred of evidence in the 70-some lawsuits that got laughed out of each court (some by Trump-appointed judges).

His appointees are pretty much all in jail or have turned on him. His remaining friends are the likes of MTG, Gym Jordan, and Putin.

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Originally Posted by oobernoober
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All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!
Sure. Facts be damned, you roll with your emotions because.... Well just because. At least you don't have to debate anything that way. Murica!!

LOL...They are trying to use a Civil War case to keep Trump off the ballot...Hilarious! SCOTUS will laugh it out of the Court. Laughing at you guys.


Libtards will do anything to take choice away from Americans and dictate a leader. They are the fascists here.

Your guy attempted a coup. His people erected a gallows for the VP on the steps of the Capitol because he (Pence) stuck to his constitutional duty and didn't subvert the will of the people.

Your guy says the election was stolen but has somehow not been able to produce a single shred of evidence in the 70-some lawsuits that got laughed out of each court (some by Trump-appointed judges).

His appointees are pretty much all in jail or have turned on him. His remaining friends are the likes of MTG, Gym Jordan, and Putin.


He deserves to be at the business end of a firing squad, or at the very least getting his affairs in order prior to a very lengthy stay in prison.

How anyone can take anything this man says at face value is astounding.

Your "will of the people" is laughable when you take away their choices.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
Your guy attempted a coup. His people erected a gallows for the VP on the steps of the Capitol because he (Pence) stuck to his constitutional duty and didn't subvert the will of the people.

Your guy says the election was stolen but has somehow not been able to produce a single shred of evidence in the 70-some lawsuits that got laughed out of each court (some by Trump-appointed judges).

His appointees are pretty much all in jail or have turned on him. His remaining friends are the likes of MTG, Gym Jordan, and Putin.


He deserves to be at the business end of a firing squad, or at the very least getting his affairs in order prior to a very lengthy stay in prison.

How anyone can take anything this man says at face value is astounding.

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Originally Posted by EveDawg
Your "will of the people" is laughable when you take away their choices.

Nonsense. There are a lot of reasons individuals are disqualified from running for office. That applies to everyone. Trump himself isn't (yet) disqualified from running for office. But if he is disqualified from office through his own actions and being held accountable - that's a him problem.


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Red States need to take Biden off the ballot. Fair is fair!


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Originally Posted by JimDawg
All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!

Oh and you almost have Texas BLUE thanks to the disgraceful handling of the border. A country without borders is not a country, yet the big guy has thousands busing over everyday ILLEGALLY.

Thanks for your imput.. would you tell me which rulings you find unconstitutional? Or are you afraid to be specific?


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Originally Posted by Pdawg
https://www.cpr.org/2023/12/20/how-colorados-supreme-court-justices-divided-on-trump-ruling/

05, here is the breakdown of the court. 4-3 decision wasn’t along party lines (a Democrat voted in the minority) but not all Judges have party affiliation since it is supposed to be a non partisan position. When a Republican or Democratic Governor appoints someone I assume they are appointing someone who has a like mind. I could be wrong but I believe that the court is probably 6-1 Democrats I only saw one judge who was a Republican or appointed by one.

What does this mean? Probably nothing.

Thanks P! I was curious about that. And, yeah, it's a different set of judges, but a lot of them give indicators of how they rule either from previous decisions, or they campaign on how they view their constitutional and statutory interpretations, which basically signals to voters and/or appointees.


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Originally Posted by JimDawg
All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!

Oh and you almost have Texas BLUE thanks to the disgraceful handling of the border. A country without borders is not a country, yet the big guy has thousands busing over everyday ILLEGALLY.

The Colorado Supreme Court literally made a ruling on the Constitution, using the same preferred analysis technique that the originalists on SCOTUS prefer to use by citing framer intent, and you deem it unconstitutional.


Can't make this up.


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Originally Posted by JimDawg
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All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!
Sure. Facts be damned, you roll with your emotions because.... Well just because. At least you don't have to debate anything that way. Murica!!

LOL...They are trying to use a Civil War case to keep Trump off the ballot...Hilarious! SCOTUS will laugh it out of the Court. Laughing at you guys.


What Civil War case are you and Eve referring to?


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Red States need to take Biden off the ballot. Fair is fair!

Under what Constitutional provision?


Communism.


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
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All your leftist and unconstitutional judiciary rulings are BS. These ridiculous charges are only making Trump stronger. Keep it going. The people are waking up. Watch out!
Sure. Facts be damned, you roll with your emotions because.... Well just because. At least you don't have to debate anything that way. Murica!!

LOL...They are trying to use a Civil War case to keep Trump off the ballot...Hilarious! SCOTUS will laugh it out of the Court. Laughing at you guys.




What Civil War case are you and Eve referring to?

Faux News likely didn’t give that detail. Don’t expect an answer.


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My guess is they are referring to the discussions that were had by the framers in the post-Civil War floor discussions that discussed the intent of the Fourteenth Amendment provisions before it was incorporated into the Constitution.

If that's the case, that's a huge backfire on their part, because that is exactly the standard all the conservative-appointed SCOTUS justices - especially the ones Trump appointed - utilize in their review of Constitutional questions: framer intent.

But I thought I might be missing something, so I wanted to give a fair chance.

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Red States need to take Biden off the ballot. Fair is fair!

Under what Constitutional provision?


Communism.

If Colorado can keep a person from a political party, they don't like off the ballot so can red states. Biden is up for impeachment. I am sure we can drum up so bogus charge somewhere like the Democrats are doing. What they did was unconstitutional but that never stops Democrats. They don't even like the framework this Country was built on. They twist and change the Constitution to fit whatever agenda they want.


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Red States need to take Biden off the ballot. Fair is fair!

Under what Constitutional provision?


Communism.

If Colorado can keep a person from a political party, they don't like off the ballot so can red states. Biden is up for impeachment. I am sure we can drum up so bogus charge somewhere like the Democrats are doing. What they did was unconstitutional but that never stops Democrats. They don't even like the framework this Country was built on. They twist and change the Constitution to fit whatever agenda they want.

Did you read the ruling? How was it - a ruling utilizing a provision of the Constitution - unconstitutional? I laid out all the various rationale the court used, including originalism. There might be something in there where you disagree with the ruling and, again, I'd be glad to discuss that.

But to disregard the decision and deride it as unconstitutional because you don't like the outcome, and then to demand ballot removal of another candidate who has not been through the same process is, well...


Communism.


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
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Red States need to take Biden off the ballot. Fair is fair!

Under what Constitutional provision?


Communism.

If Colorado can keep a person from a political party, they don't like off the ballot so can red states. Biden is up for impeachment. I am sure we can drum up so bogus charge somewhere like the Democrats are doing. What they did was unconstitutional but that never stops Democrats. They don't even like the framework this Country was built on. They twist and change the Constitution to fit whatever agenda they want.

Did you read the ruling? How was it - a ruling utilizing a provision of the Constitution - unconstitutional? I laid out all the various rationale the court used, including originalism. There might be something in there where you disagree with the ruling and, again, I'd be glad to discuss that.

But to disregard the decision and deride it as unconstitutional because you don't like the outcome, and then to demand ballot removal of another candidate who has not been through the same process is, well...


Communism.

I don't care what you laid out!!! The only reason this was done was purely political. You know it and so do I. The left hates this man because he does not bow down to their agenda. Plain and simple. That provision was in place to keep confederates from running for office. Not a member of an opposing political party. If rhetoric can be used to cause political unrest and rise to those levels, then there are many on the left that should have the same. How many of them told people to fight, fight, fight while he was President? Maxine Walter told people to stalk Republicans and they did. What Colorado did was a shameful act.


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LOL...that's what I thought...

If the framers just intended to keep Confederates out, why did the provision not say that? Why did that not come up in the discussion?

There is a popular saying I always remember: "When the law is on your side, pound the law. When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When neither is on your side, pound the table..." I'll leave it up to you to decide which of those applies to what you're advocating.

I'm sorry the facts of the decision are inconvenient to your desires. Again, if you want to discuss the case's merits instead of yelling at clouds, I'm all ears.


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Lol another goose stepping trump lover in tears. I love it. rofl you aren’t even glossing over the fact that trump has broken the law. You are flat out ignoring it like all the other trump loving goose stepper’s here.


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By the way, CREW, who brought the original lawsuit, is nonpartisan. Every year since 2005 they publish a list of most corrupt members of congress, which includes both Republicans and Democrats.


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That’s going to bounce off their heads like a pickle ball bro. Besides they only care about corruption when it’s the libtards being corrupt.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
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Red States need to take Biden off the ballot. Fair is fair!

Under what Constitutional provision?


Communism.

If Colorado can keep a person from a political party, they don't like off the ballot so can red states. Biden is up for impeachment. I am sure we can drum up so bogus charge somewhere like the Democrats are doing. What they did was unconstitutional but that never stops Democrats. They don't even like the framework this Country was built on. They twist and change the Constitution to fit whatever agenda they want.

It’s not a matter of liking him, he’s an insurrectionist! That is DISQUALIFYING. What can’t GOPers wrap around here? No leftie is doing anything but observing and upholding the constitution. The entire disqualification is CONSTITUTIONAL. We all play by the same rules, GOPers just don’t like when the rules rein them in.

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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Red States need to take Biden off the ballot. Fair is fair!

Under what Constitutional provision?


Communism.

If Colorado can keep a person from a political party, they don't like off the ballot so can red states. Biden is up for impeachment. I am sure we can drum up so bogus charge somewhere like the Democrats are doing. What they did was unconstitutional but that never stops Democrats. They don't even like the framework this Country was built on. They twist and change the Constitution to fit whatever agenda they want.

It’s not a matter of liking him, he’s an insurrectionist! That is DISQUALIFYING. What can’t GOPers wrap around here? No leftie is doing anything but observing and upholding the constitution. The entire disqualification is CONSTITUTIONAL. We all play by the same rules, GOPers just don’t like when the rules rein them in.

He is not an insurrectionist. He told a crowd of people to fight. He also said to be peaceful. He did not say to storm the Capital. No matter how hard the Dems try to convince everyone. That is not what he said. Trying to tie him to the storming of the capital is like tying the Dems to the actual truth. He did not ask for the storming of the capital and the truth lies nowhere near a Democrat!!!


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Funny, the judges found he IS AN INSURRECTIONIST. And don’t look now, but when he gets removed for being disqualified, a whole slew of GOPers will follow. They are all insurrectionist traitors. I can’t wait to see them fall.

See voting for deplorable people has consequences. GOPers need to re-learn about consequences. We’ll call it re-education.

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Yeah, three biased libtard judges. They will say anything.


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