Oh that's right, there are no asylum laws. How quickly we forgot. You know maybe if we had a new immigration bill that addresses changing some of the current laws your concerns could be addressed. Or do you think Biden has the power to change federal asylum laws too?
As it stands we have millions upon millions of people already in this country waiting for asylum hearings. So is it then your contention that they simply stay here for years awaiting a hearing? Or should we have more immigration judges to catch up on the backlog and get those who do not qualify for asylum out of the country?
Too many voices in your head, bro.
I don't blame you for dodging the question. I don't blame you for acting like asylum laws don't exist. I don't blame you for refusing to admit that the entire immigration system is broken and only congress can pass laws to fix it. At this point what other choice do you have?
LOL Yep, that's it.
Speaking of choices...
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
As it stands we have millions upon millions of people already in this country waiting for asylum hearings. So is it then your contention that they simply stay here for years awaiting a hearing? Or should we have more immigration judges to catch up on the backlog and get those who do not qualify for asylum out of the country?
So, let 10 million people in with wide open borders and a red carpet and them blame others because you had no plan??
Now all we need is for congress to put that plan together since that is their job. Screaming "shut down the border!" over and over again isn't a pan to fix the nations immigration issues no matter how many times you repeat it.
I'm actually shocked you didn't join up with 'God's army' on their "Take Our Border Back" convoy traveling to Texas to stop migrants from crossing the border. Those people and their cause seem right up your alley.
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They bring them to a loving home and their faces are beaming with pride and joy.
Pretty soon they realize there's [censored] all over the floor. And the cats seem angry, they're parading around as if in pain. They notice some of them are starting to look real skinny. Some look sickly.
SUDDENLY, they realize -- they have no food or litter boxes! And none of these cats have had shots!
Sooooo.... they start a GoFundMe so that everyone else can help them with their 'problem'.
^That's^ Joe Biden's immigration plan in a nutshell. No plan at all, except to appease those making the most noise and all the people that hated his predecessor, from day one. Reversing everything that was working and letting a problem grow larger and larger and larger.
And when the 'plan' fails. You've got diehard libtards and State TV to do all the lying for you!
Congress writes laws, not trump. Are you ever going to figure out who is responsible for writing the laws in this country?
And of course immigration laws are just like adopting cats. You really need to catch up to that caravan. You will find many like minded people among them.
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IMO the problem is a fairly easy fix. Open federally operated receiving facilities with on site Judges to expedite and process legal immigration. Kinda like Ellis island. We’ve done this before. And really I don’t get Texas. They are shipping all their immigrant traffic to other states without notice. So what do they care?
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
You would think so. But Biden's efforts to get funding in order to pay for an increase in the number of border patrol agents and immigration judges to handle the backlog of cases has been ignored or rejected by the GOP controlled House.
Y'alls couldn't find a solution if it knocked your blindfold off and screamed in your face.
Yes congress who are actually responsible to fix immigration are blameless in the MAGA world. So what do we do about the millions of asylum cases that are backed up as much as six years for the people already here and awaiting their hearings? Oh that's right, we don't need to address that now do we? That would take congress actually doing their job and approve funding for those judges. We con't hold them accountable for that now can we? Who is responsible for funding an increase in hiring more border agents to enforce this shut down of the border you keep proposing? You do realize that will take a lot more people to enforce and that only congress can pass the funding to pay them, correct? But I know, you're all stuck in sleepy Joe mode.
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Didn't you just co-sign that we need more agents at the border to process people into the country faster?
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
IMO the problem is a fairly easy fix. Open federally operated receiving facilities with on site Judges to expedite and process legal immigration. Kinda like Ellis island. We’ve done this before. And really I don’t get Texas. They are shipping all their immigrant traffic to other states without notice. So what do they care?
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
You would think so. But Biden's efforts to get funding in order to pay for an increase in the number of border patrol agents and immigration judges to handle the backlog of cases has been ignored or rejected by the GOP controlled House.
Yes congress who are actually responsible to fix immigration are blameless in the MAGA world. So what do we do about the millions of asylum cases that are backed up as much as six years for the people already here and awaiting their hearings? Oh that's right, we don't need to address that now do we? That would take congress actually doing their job and approve funding for those judges. We con't hold them accountable for that now can we? Who is responsible for funding an increase in hiring more border agents to enforce this shut down of the border you keep proposing? You do realize that will take a lot more people to enforce and that only congress can pass the funding to pay them, correct? But I know, you're all stuck in sleepy Joe mode.
Who cares about that? That has nothing to do with closing the border.
Dems and Biden have a border deal ready to go. The GOPers loved it until Trump realized it would fix it… And you blame dems. FFS, you can’t make this crap up. Buffoons.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Dems and Biden have a border deal ready to go. The GOPers loved it until Trump realized it would fix it… And you blame dems. FFS, you can’t make this crap up. Buffoons.
How does anybody know if this border deal will close the border if nobody knows whats in it?
Dems and Biden have a border deal ready to go. The GOPers loved it until Trump realized it would fix it… And you blame dems. FFS, you can’t make this crap up. Buffoons.
How does anybody know if this border deal will close the border if nobody knows whats in it?
It won't fix anything. But it WILL include money for pork projects.
Biden himself said he'd "shut the border down, if the bill passed." So, why didn't he shut it down without the bill?
Because he can't. No matter what the screamers on here say there are not enough border agents to enforce a border shut down. That's why he's been asking for funding to hire more border agents since October. You can't possibly enforce a border shut down with the number of border agents currently on staff and congress has to pass funding to hire more. People seem to act as though trump too didn't urge congress to pass an immigration deal but he did. He knew that a president can't fix the problem without congress acting. It seems either people forgot about that or simply refuse to mention it. Here it is from 2017....
Trump envisions bill allowing many immigrants to stay in US
President Donald Trump wants to pass an immigration reform bill that could grant legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants living in the US.
“The time is right for an immigration bill as long as there is compromise on both sides,” Trump told reporters Tuesday at the White House.
The President is eager to pass a compromise immigration bill in his first term that would stop short of granting a path to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants, but would allow undocumented immigrants who aren’t serious or violent criminals to live, work and pay taxes in the US without fear of deportation, a senior administration official said.
Trump included the idea of a compromise in his address to a Joint Session of Congress on Tuesday night.
“I believe that real and positive immigration reform is possible, as long as we focus on the following goals: to improve jobs and wages for Americans, to strengthen our nation’s security and to restore respect for our laws,” Trump told lawmakers. “If we are guided by the well-being of American citizens then I believe Republicans and Democrats can work together to achieve an outcome that has eluded our country for decades.”
But Trump also signaled he stands behind some of his most controversial pledges from the campaign cycle, including the “extreme vetting” behind his travel ban that was blocked by the courts, and a call to cut back on low-skilled workers entering the country with a “merit-based” immigration system.
A path to citizenship for those in the country illegally would not be part of Trump’s vision for this deal, with the possible exception of “Dreamers” – those brought into the US illegally as children.
News of the President’s support for a comprehensive reform of the US’s immigration system fell against a backdrop of increasingly aggressive actions by immigration authorities across the US, who under Trump’s administration have found new freedom to deport undocumented immigrants who have not been convicted of a serious crime – the bar they were told to abide by under President Barack Obama’s tenure.
But Trump’s new apparent desire to grant legal status to many undocumented immigrants living in the US also marks a startling reversal from the positions he championed during his campaign for president. Trump focused on the need to build a wall along the US-Mexico border, and for much of his campaign, called for deporting all estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the US. The closest he came to calling for a path to legalization for undocumented immigrants was in his calls to allow the “good ones” who had been deported to reenter the US through an expedited, legal process.
Democrats on the Hill may be open to working with the administration on a compromise, sources said – but healthy skepticism remained about Trump’s true intentions on Tuesday and lawmakers signaled they’d want to see more from the President, and less aggressive immigration enforcement actions, before they believed him.
Tackling immigration reform would be another massive legislative endeavor, piling on top of Trump’s already ambitious goals of repealing and replacing Obamacare and passing a tax reform package.
It would perhaps be the ultimate test of Trump’s deal-making credentials, which he touted daily on the campaign trail.
Supporting a pathway to legalization for millions of undocumented immigrants could roil his base of supporters, many of whom flocked to Trump early on due to his controversial and hardline position on immigration.
But the official said Trump does not see the bill as something that would necessarily upset Trump’s base, stressing that there would need to be “a softening on both sides.”
“It has to be a negotiation,” the official said, arguing that the bill theoretically could make people on both the “far right” and “far left” happy – and it’s a negotiation the President believes he could successfully broker, the official said.
The President believes that the nation is now in a position where it can pass immigration legislation after decades of failed efforts, and he believes the country is “exhausted.”
“There’s got to be a coming together,” the official said.
In private, immigration activists on both sides of the spectrum believe that compromises can be made during Trump’s tenure, although the inclusion of a “pathway to citizenship” for the millions of people living in the US illegally remains a tough sticking point.
“People would be willing to discuss it,” one senior Democratic Hill aide who works on immigration issues said.
For Democrats, “there is openness to discussing options that may fall short of a full path to citizenship,” the aide added.
Still, healthy skepticism remains about whether the White House is being genuine.
“It’s just hard to believe this President,” the Democratic staffer said. “He says things in one room to one group of people and then the next day he does things that are the opposite.”
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said Trump still has work to do to gain Democrats’ trust.
“He’s got a lot to undo,” Schumer said. “The immigrant community is rightfully scared of what President Trump has done. His executive order goes far beyond what anyone proposed. People are cowering. It’s going to hurt us economically. … (The administration doesn’t) seem to know what they are doing. They simply come up with these proposals that sound good and then they can’t implement them.”
Schumer was echoed by fellow Democrat Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden, who said Trump would have some walking back to do.
“I would have to see the details of any proposal,” Wyden said. “Certainly if he is looking at something bipartisan, he’s going to have to walk back some of the statements that he has made time after time after time, which in effect would say that there’d be a lot of focus by immigration authorities like ICE on people who have not committed any serious crimes.”
The Congressional Hispanic Caucus, mainly made up of Democrats, released a statement in response to Trump’s Tuesday remarks, essentially welcoming him to the immigration reform club.
“We’ve been ready,” said Rep. Michelle Lujan Grisham, chairwoman of the caucus.
As always with immigration reform, the devil is in the details. In 2013, the Gang of Eight’s immigration reform bill passed with wide bipartisan support in the Senate only to die in the House, where leadership did not move it forward.
Many of the compromises in that bill still enjoy wide support in Washington, but the pathway to citizenship has remained toxic for the Republican base, which labeled it “amnesty.”
Trump has taken a hardline position on immigration – with charged rhetoric against illegal immigration throughout the campaign.
In the later stages of the campaign and after, he softened slightly, signaling empathy toward Dreamers and saying that deportations for some undocumented immigrants are not necessarily a priority.
White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said the President has been clear about his openness to conversations about a compromise on immigration, but added the focus at the moment is “border control” and “deporting criminals.”
For both Democrats and Republicans, the sequencing matters greatly in negotiating a compromise on immigration.
Some Republican lawmakers endorsed the idea of reform compromises, but said they would like to see efforts to move forward come in pieces. Colorado Republican Sen. Cory Gardner said there are areas of “common ground,” but that it would have to be done piecemeal.
“I think that’s something I’ve been asking for for a very long time,” Gardner said. “I think we can find there is a way forward on an immigration package that Democrats and Republican can support. … (But) the American people have expressed whether it’s through the Affordable Care Act or through the Gang of Eight bill that they would rather see a series of package of bills that Congress can use to gain the trust of the American people as we implement the reform.”
Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, one of the members of the 2013 Gang of Eight who suffered politically for his participation, said that he thinks legalization is better than the status quo, though he originally supported a pathway to citizenship in his bill.
“I personally have always believed that it’s not a good idea to have millions of people in your country that can never become citizens but I certainly think legalization is better than what they have now,” Rubio said. “And if that’s what we need to do to get progress, I would be able to accept that.”
But he also said the path forward exists through smaller pieces.
“Immigration reform is something most people are in favor of,” Rubio said. “It’s what’s in that immigration reform that can quickly become controversial. So we’ll see. It will take a lot of work. It’s a tough issue. And I truly believe it has to be done in multiple steps, piecemeal approach.”
Other Republicans didn’t want to discuss the possibility until border security was addressed.
“It’s an important discussion and one we’ve been trying to resolve for many years now, so I welcome the opportunity to have that discussion,” said No. 2 Senate Republican and Texan John Cornyn. “For my own part, I believe we need to regain the public’s confidence that we’re actually serious about enforcing the law and securing the border, and to me those are the most important priorities.”
Republicans have for years insisted they would be open to immigration reform – if border security and enforcement of existing laws come first. They blamed President Barack Obama for not enforcing laws, and said they did not trust him enough to send him any bill that would be lenient toward undocumented immigrants, alleging he would ignore any enforcement provisions of such a bill.
Now, with Trump as president, the winds have shifted and that argument is off the table, since Trump has made enforcing immigration laws on the books that have been unused for years a priority in his first month as President.
But Democrats are also concerned about sequencing, and while they would agree to certain enhanced enforcement and border-security measures, they are concerned that if they agree to too much compromise, Republicans will never return to working out something to give security to the undocumented immigrants living in the US peacefully who have often have families that are American citizens.
The difficulty has extended even to the narrow BRIDGE Act, proposed by Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin, which would give the undocumented Dreamers currently protected by Obama administration policies formal reprieve from deportations, should the policy be ended by the Trump administration.
The legislation enjoys generally wide support among lawmakers and could likely have the votes to pass Congress, but leadership has been hesitant to move the bill forward, with Republicans concerned that it would be viewed by their base as too lenient and Democrats concerned that agreeing to pass the BRIDGE Act along with another compromise would mean other undocumented immigrants would not be given any such relief in the future.
He requested a bipartisan immigration deal. You know, like they just worked out. But now people seem to forget all of that.
People also keep ignoring that more and more republican lawmakers have made it clear by saying out loud that they won't pass an immigration deal because it will help biden. They have made it plain that they don't want to fix the immigration problem as long as Biden is president. And trump has been leading the charge by telling them exactly that. I'm not sure how much more clear they can make it.
And the trump minions on this board have followed suit.
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The terms of a bipartisan agreement were hammered out and agreed to for a whole day, then Trump put his thumb in the pie. You know that. The text is still being drafted, but GOPers are now acting like it doesn’t matter. There’s your leadership. Troll that.
GOPers love open borders and immigrants, because even though they bitch like hell, they never want to actually fix anything.
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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
The terms of a bipartisan agreement were hammered out and agreed to for a whole day, then Trump put his thumb in the pie. You know that. The text is still being drafted, but GOPers are now acting like it doesn’t matter. There’s your leadership. Troll that.
GOPers love open borders and immigrants, because even though they bitch like hell, they never want to actually fix anything.
Sen. Chris Murphy, a key negotiator on a possible border deal, said Sunday that text of a compromise could be ready to go to the Senate floor in the coming days.
“We do have a bipartisan deal. We’re finishing the text right now,” Murphy told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union,” adding that the question remains whether Republicans are going to listen to former President Donald Trump, who has tried to tank the compromise.
“We are sort of finalizing the last pieces of text right now. This bill could be ready to be on the floor of the United States Senate next week. But it won’t be if Republicans decide that they want to keep this issue unsettled for political purposes,” the Connecticut Democrat added.
Maybe you need to expand your news sources? You do realize that it was posted on this very board a couple of days ago the deal had been reached and simply had to be put in text and printed, right?
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The terms of a bipartisan agreement were hammered out and agreed to for a whole day, then Trump put his thumb in the pie. You know that. The text is still being drafted, but GOPers are now acting like it doesn’t matter. There’s your leadership. Troll that.
GOPers love open borders and immigrants, because even though they bitch like hell, they never want to actually fix anything.
This isn't "a deal has been reached". These are five people in a room.
They've been hoarding text and leaking what they want to leak for over two months.
State TV has been calling it "a bipartisan deal" for weeks... so they can blame the GOP when they won't agree to a turnstile border with amnesty for all.
Most people know this, it's plain as black and white. If you two want to argue this lunacy, have at it.
It is what it is, and it's clear as day... and we're still waiting, and waiting, and waiting for this "deal" that has been bragged about for weeks. The deal that will likely get voted down because it's absolute trash.
Then y'all can try to get a corpse re-elected under the premise that the border disaster was someone else's fault.
The deal has been reached. The final wording of the bill is all that's left. When you have both Republicans and Democrats in a room working out a deal, that's bipartisan by its very definition. Trump came out and told them not to pass the deal. Republicans have stated plainly they won't pass it because it would help Biden. There are two corpses running for president. Stop pretending otherwise.
Dismissing the truth because of who stated it is moronic at best. But when that's all you've got left....
I know you hate that Lankford, a Republican, actually came out and cleared up some of the misinformation that was being spread about what was in the deal. But in case you missed it he isn't state TV.
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These people have been behind closed doors since November.
Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill?
Why do you guys keep touting a bill that still doesn't exist???
They intend to release it over the weekend. WHEN IT'S DONE!
Now, think about this, its not been released yet, and Republicans are saying it's BAD. THEY HAVENT READ IT.. and they are knocking it. ALL because their Feckless leader says to do so.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
These people have been behind closed doors since November.
Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill?
Why do you guys keep touting a bill that still doesn't exist???
They intend to release it over the weekend. WHEN IT'S DONE!
Now, think about this, its not been released yet, and Republicans are saying it's BAD. THEY HAVENT READ IT.. and they are knocking it. ALL because their Feckless leader says to do so.
Wrong and wrong.
They have been releasing text for weeks (only to special members of 'the club'). Releasing text creates rumors. People respond to those rumors. Republicans responded to the rumors of allowing 5000 to cross the border every day. One of the dudes that gets to sit in the actual 'club house' says that's not true -- we'll see.
There's a decent chance those 'leaks' were done on purpose, to gauge reaction, and language may have been changed or adjusted accordingly. I mean, let's be honest, they've been behind doors for months, if just one member had Pit's typing skills, they could have rewritten the entire Tax Code by now.
And all that happened WAY before Trump ever said a word.
These people have been behind closed doors since November.
Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill? Where. is. the. bill?
Why do you guys keep touting a bill that still doesn't exist???
They intend to release it over the weekend. WHEN IT'S DONE!
Now, think about this, its not been released yet, and Republicans are saying it's BAD. THEY HAVENT READ IT.. and they are knocking it. ALL because their Feckless leader says to do so.
Wrong and wrong.
They have been releasing text for weeks (only to special members of 'the club'). Releasing text creates rumors. People respond to those rumors. Republicans responded to the rumors of allowing 5000 to cross the border every day. One of the dudes that gets to sit in the actual 'club house' says that's not true -- we'll see.
There's a decent chance those 'leaks' were done on purpose, to gauge reaction, and language may have been changed or adjusted accordingly. I mean, let's be honest, they've been behind doors for months, if just one member had Pit's typing skills, they could have rewritten the entire Tax Code by now.
And all that happened WAY before Trump ever said a word.
We are just going to have to disagree.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
So you are ignoring everything Lankford, you know the guy who is working on the bill, actually said about it? And when did anyone release the "actual text" of the bill? They just reached agreement on the bill last week and started putting it in text.
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So you are ignoring everything Lankford, you know the guy who is working on the bill, actually said about it? And when did anyone release the "actual text" of the bill? They just reached agreement on the bill last week and started putting it in text.
How am I ignoring what he said?
They've been releasing text to the Senate Appropriations Committee for weeks, Pit. That's how the language gets crafted and that's how info gets leaked. That's 30 other people with text in their hands.
"They just reached agreement on the bill last week and started putting it in text."
I have no idea what that means, there's been "text" since day one. You think they just sit around spitballing and then have someone 'type it up' on the last day??
Then maybe you can explain how they reached an agreement last week but are still finalizing the text of the bill? While you have an agreement in principal the exact wording of and the details of that have not been finalized. And Lankford himself actually said what they're saying about the bill is based on false information. So they were being given false text?
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So it seems that what you're trying to say is all of this misinformation Lankford stated these Republicans were spreading false claims came from the text of the bill? Are you're saying that the senate appropriations committee gets to see the text of a bill bit by bit before it's ever fully agreed upon, finalized and completed? If so, what is it you base that on?
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I don't know about every bill. I know that's how things are working on this one. Why? because it's such a small group working on the bill... and that actually makes sense from that standpoint, does it not?
And yes, this "misinformation" came directly from the bill. That's why Lankford has not disputed the general language, just clarified it's meaning.
My issue is you have nothing in support of your claim about this bill being given bit by bit to the committee. I don't think it makes sense at all to give a bill to the appropriation committee bit by bit by bit. They would first have to know the total cost of the bill and see the breakdown as to how much is being spent on each part of the bill before you can appropriate the funds to pay for it. You have the funding of Israel, the funding for Ukraine as well as immigration legislation all rolled into one here. It would seem to me that the very function of the appropriation committee itself would need all the numbers in the funding for every part to do their job.
I'm not saying that you're wrong here. I'm saying that none of that makes sense to me and I've seen nothing that backs up your claim.
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