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Wow....Bears got barely any return on that deal.

Pittsburgh must be soooo stupid. Now they've got a *gasp* QB controversy on their hands! What a bunch of buffoons!

Everybody knows if you have more than 1 QB you don't have any QB's.

Right???

They're running circles around us, like usual.

The difference is that they knew they didn't have a QB, and they are hoping one of these cheap fliers pans out. There is no incumbent. There's no big investment. No in place loyalties to worry about. Can start the vet and see how he goes. If not well, they can see what Fields has towards the end of the season and only give up a 6th to the Bears. Pickett was bad, and they knew it. They "had no QB," and they still might not, but maybe they do.

But they are only cheap for this year. Looking at Russ Wilson's contract-This year was fully guaranteed-Next year would have been guaranteed for 37 million tomorrow. It was not-Would pittsburgh pay Wilson 35-40 million next year or part of a 3 year deal at his age?
As for Fields, he is on the last year of his rookie deal-3.3 million-There is a 5th year option for next year for 25.664 million. Would pittsburgh pick up the option or negotiate a deal if Fields doesn't have a whole lot of playing time.

This to me is a one year band aid, and they will be back to looking for the next QB1 next year.

Personally, I hate this. I think that Fields is a better QB, by far, than Pickett, and they have upgraded thsie QB position a great deal, on the cheap.

We just need Rish to pop in and tell us that we now have the 5th best (worst) QB in the division and we're all set.

we have invested the most capital of any of the division teams at QB with the worst return.. a 6th for fields? we couldn't get in on that? I would say our offseason thus far is sitting at a C-. Dallas is killing it

So clever! Just genius stuff here.

So they’re paying a washed up vet $1.2MM on a one year deal and get a young guy they gave a 4th round pick for on a rookie contract.

If either or neither pans out, minimal long term risk.

Which is pretty much just like us with three 1st rounders and $240MM fully guaranteed committed to one guy with serious PR problems and a 40yr old interception machine who’s cast some absurd Holcomb-esque spell over low wattage browns fans who can’t seem to see the prince for the freakin frog.

Pretty much an exact comparison right there.

Say what you want but today Pittsburgh has two QB's on their roster that are better than any of the three guys they had last year.

For many years now the common opinion was that just about all personnel moves the Steelers make works out in their favor. However, when you look back, especially over the last 10 years or so a lot of their moves haven't worked out and some, like Kenny Pickett were terrible. Some of their 1st round picks recently haven't been that good. I don't know how these latest QB moves will work out but I would rather have a healthy DW and our QB room.

And that's the way it is if you take an objective look at things. That's not to say that either are great QB's but they won 10 games last season with Pickett as their main starter. I don't see how or why them having an improved QB room wouldn't be concerning to Browns fans.

Exactly. Any time a team in our division makes moves to improve itself we as Browns fans should be concerned. I still like a healthy DW more but Pittsburgh has, at least on paper, a better QB room today than they had a week ago. We are in a talented tough division.

If we get the DW of his last two starts I agree.

Are you confusing me with someone else?

I would take Watson over Wilson and Fields. I am not at all concerned about this Fields news. If he was any good, we’d have seen it. Could he resurrect his career in Pitt? Anything is possible. Does anyone think it’s likely? Would someone put money on it happening? I wouldn’t it. Plus, the team around him isn’t that good.

I’m in the minority that I think Burrow is overrated.

Hands down Lamar is the QB I wish were on the Browns.

I’m not sure about QB but we have the third or fourth best coach in the division depending on what you think of Taylor.

My bad bro.

I could have sworn it was you that said something similar lately. I should have known better as you and I have always been on the same page with Burrow. Sorry about that.

Fixed it for you GM!

Speak of the devil! It was ^ this guy ^ that said Watson was the worst QB in the North.

In fact, he said Burrow was the best... and actually rated Flacco higher than Watson.


Now, Rish, I'm even more sorry than I was a few minutes ago. 🤣

Anyone that thinks Wilson is a good QB isn’t watching enough games. Payton wanted him gone because he couldn’t/wouldn’t throw the ball downfield and on time. Wilson has become a pretty good check down artist, but a check down artist nonetheless. No decent team should fear playing Wilson, and the Browns are a decent team. He took it to them last year because the Browns thought they would sleepwalk through their west coast trip and just show up. But no one checks the ball down more than Wilson. If Payton thought he was any good he’d still be there.

As for Fields I do strongly believe that a lot of rookie QBs are thrown into just the worst of situations that hurt their development greatly. I also strongly believe that even in those situations you can tell if it is the organization or the player that is the main factor in the lack of success. The NFL market pretty much gave the answer. A 5th or 6th round pick? That’s not good.

It is in the Browns best interest that Pitt commits to one of those guys.

"we have the third or fourth best coach in the division depending on what you think of Taylor."

By what measurement?

Did any coach outside of KS win two COY in four years?

I respect all four coaches in the North. I do not believe there is some kind of measuring stick to rank them accurately in 2024.

As it stands today I will take AB and KS over any other combination of head coach and GM in the North.

Kevin Stefanski has Coached 4 years in Cleveland and produced 2 Coach of the year awards.

Stefanski is 37-30 in those 4 years with the Browns including 2 playoff appearances. He is 1-2 in playoff games all on the road. He is 9-9 in AFC North games. 7-2 at home and 2-7 on the road.

I cannot say whether or not Stefanski is better than Tomlin, Taylor, or Harbaugh the AFC North is brutally tough, but he is easily the best coach on a Browns sidelines since Marty.

You're not asking me, but I'm just giving credit where it's due.

If you're going to cobble together a QB room from the FA scrap heap, Pitt just gave a masterclass on how to do so. Yes, there was a whole bunch of luck involved, but again... credit where it's due.

-They swapped out their QB of the future (Pickett for Fields), and I believe they got more back in the Pickett trade than they gave up for Fields. That's insane.
-They got their bridge QB for peanuts. Many teams have paid far more for far less.


Putting my fandom aside, I'm very curious what sitting for a year in Pittsburgh can do for a QB like Fields.

I sorta understand the criticism of Stefanski. He has done his best work under really tough circumstances (injuries and COVID), but then doesn't seem to deliver when the roster is strong. To be in the discussion with Tomlin and Harbaugh, you gotta deliver when expectations are high.

The flip side is that putting Stefanski near or under Taylor is ridiculous.

Honestly, I'm not sure the Steelers really care about Fields' future as a "QB." I'm not sure he'll sit necessarily. I could definitely see Arty using him in a Taysom Hill-like run heavy package.

I'm not sure "when the roster was strong" that he didn't deliver. Was it the season Baker was playing poorly while injured for most of the season? Or was it the season watson was suspended for 11 games?

Regardless, they have so little invested in this experiment that they can sh-can the whole idea next offseason and not really be any worse for wear (other than a wasted year).

I've spent the better part of my life thinking and hoping the steelers were done after a mediocre season or two, but they always seem to find a way to bounce back. I think there's a good chance that Justin Fields does pan out for them.

I am afraid of that also. When the Ravens took Lamar Jackson, I thought they would start to be mediocre because of his lack of passing skills, but as he developed his legs has changed the NFL and he has improved as a passer.

They won 10 games last season with Pickett and Trubisky. I wouldn't sell them short with the upgrades. I think people need to be reminded that Fields has improved in passing percentage, TD to Int. ratio, yards passed for as well as QB rating every season.

I was kinda hoping he would go to the Steelers so he could check all 4 AFCN teams off the list