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3) U do not make a Rook QB your #2 unless u r comfy he's got the offense down...Happened in week 2...

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Initially I thought this as well. However, the way things have played out ...... I think that the Browns bringing back Dorsey, who could help the other QBs with the offense, was more important than having a backup 100% familiar with that offense.

Anderson will start. Quinn will back-up.

The year after that, their roles will flip-flop.

Many on this board aren't sold on Anderson---so the idea that some NFL team is going to see otherwise would mean that either

A. People that post on internet message boards are smarter than the average NFL front office. Which I seriously doubt.

or...

B. People on internet message boards like to act like they know what they are talking about. Which seems to be true.

DA will be re-signed for cheap. B/c no front-office is going to give him the big money. And if they do, then according to most on here, they are stupid. And if thats the case, and there are greater minds on dawgtalkers then there are running actually NFL organizations---well than I don't know why we waste our time watching a game ran by half-wits.

Well firstly Tyler, in order to TENDER him an offer as a RFA, I believe we'll HAVE to offer him 2+ mil.

Secondly, are you trying to say that Matt Millan ISN'T a half wit????

Yeah, because no F.O. has ever paid big money to a one hit wonder or made bad decisions in signing free agents or making trades.

And guess what? You are one of the people on an internet message board acting like you know something.

Anderson will start. Quinn will back-up.


So Rac and Phil have already emailed you with this lineup for next year?
Can ya ask 'em who is their second-seventh round pick while you're at it?
I won't have to waste my time doing a mock draft.

Many on this board aren't sold on Anderson---so the idea that some NFL team is going to see otherwise would mean that either

A. People that post on internet message boards are smarter than the average NFL front office. Which I seriously doubt.

or...

B. People on internet message boards like to act like they know what they are talking about. Which seems to be true.


Yet U JUST laid out whats going to happen...so that means either
A-Tyler_Derden IS smarter than the average NFL front office. Which I seriously doubt.
or
B-Tyler_Derden WOULD like to act like he knows what he is talking about
But knows time and time again it just isn't true...

I honestly don't remember what Atlanta got for Schaub... but he was also going into his 4th year (like Anderson), he had thrown 24 passes as a pro and no touchdowns... DA's resume currently blows Schaub's away... so, like I said, I don't know what Atlanta got for Schaub, but I don't see why we couldn't get more for DA...

Atlanta and Houston will flip-flop first-round picks in April's draft, and Atlanta will receive Houston's second-round picks in 2007 and 2008. The deal will be announced Thursday. Houston has the No. 8 pick in the first round of the draft, while Atlanta is slotted 10th.


Sources told ESPN.com that the trade is contingent upon the Texans reaching agreement with Schaub on a contract and negotiations have already begun.


"We have an agreement in place," Joby Branion, Schaub's agent, told Houston's KRIV-TV. "I dealt with [Texans general manager] Rick Smith on Ahman Green a couple of weeks ago. That gave us a great deal of comfort heading into these discussions believing we could get something done and we did. It wasn't easy but I think both sides are comfortable with where we are."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2807051

I'd take that deal... of course we don't have a first to swap so it would have to be different.. but a first this year and a second next year... where do we sign?

I"ll co-sign

I would say IF the FO considers Quinn our future, that we have far too many needs NOT to take the draft picks.

Then, once the Rats religate Troy Smith to the practice squad, we take a flyer on him.

Yesss I'm still pissed about DA'S performance or lack thereof in the BUNGALS game.When was the last time DA had a solid game??You simply CANNOT have the QB position hurt you that much in a big game.Remember he also cost us the Arizona game IMO.I understand all QB's throw INT's but usually not 4 and usually not to DB"S with none of our recievers in sight.Allthough I like his spirit and attitude he has cost us a few big games.A QB must be the reason you win not the reason you lose.
I'm sure OPIE will be real anxiuos to see how his #1 draft choice will perform next preseason.BQ will be under center next Sept.

No doubt in my min that it will be Quinn starting the first game next year. With all the teams in need of a quarteback and a fairly thin class of QB's that will be in the draft this year, someone is bound to give up a 1st rounder for DA. Chicago, Minnesota, KC, Atlanta, and Miami are pretty much in definate need of a QB. You can add the following teams that might have interest as well, and this is pure speculation on my part: Detroit (not like Kitna is the answer there), San Fran (ditto Alex Smith), Tampa Bay (doubt their sold on Mcown and Gradkowski once Gacia's done), and perhaps even Green Bay (is Rodgers the answer as Farve's heir?). Granted, a few of these are a stretch, but I'm just throwing some possible scenario's out there. One of these teams is bound to throw us an offer we can't refuse.

Chicago and Minnesota seem like the two suitors that would benefit the most from aquiring DA. Obviously the best thing for us would be to have two or more teams get into a bidding war, and who better than some division rivals? I still believe that Phil has dubbed BQ the "Golden Boy" and will pretty much take the best offer for DA, whatever that may be. That said, Brady will obviously take his lumps, but I believe we will be much better in the long run if we start off next year with Brady as the starter.

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Verses a "Schaublike" 50-80 million dollar deal elsewhere?
It may his "only,best shot" at being a starting NFL QB with a long term, big dollar contract.


Nah, I'm sure he'd rather take a back up deal for FAR less and stay here...........

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Ya know,, you are right, that's what he'll probably do,, not saying its the right thing.. but let's face it, these guys follow the money...

What I'm trying to say, and I know it's not going to happen, is that the Grass may NOT be greener on the other side... But the money will stack up higher

Quinn, without a doubt.

First I think we will high tender DA. If nobody bites, and after last week I doubt they will, we attempt a resonable trade or suggest we might ake less than 1st and a 3rd. If DA is still here when camp starts, we will have a QB competition and Quinn wins this hands down.

After starting all year, he will not want to be the back up, so he will be allowed to seek a trade. This will be our last best/opportunity to receive something of value for him and this is where IMHO the Browns and DA will part ways. Some team will him up at the reduced cost of a contract byout and some decent D talent or maybe a #2 WR. Either way we come out in good shape.

Quinn will sit until he gets the chance to WIN the job, he will not blow that chance... no way!

and that's all I have to say about that.

Quinn. I think someone is going to offer something for Anderson Phil won't refuse.

Probably true,,,

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Anderson will start. Quinn will back-up.

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So Rac and Phil have already emailed you with this lineup for next year?

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Isn't the title of this thread "Who will be the starting QB Game 1 next season?" Everyone who responds is assuming...Everyone. Why is it ok to think Brady but not DA?

I guess I just stood up for Tyler. I know feel dirty. I'm going to take a shower.

who knows, i think only the browns will know when training camp is coming to an end...

i do believe that it will be an open competition, hopefully we can skip a coin toss this year, but brady quinn will most definitely get his chance...

Quinn is the man next year.

I still think a team is willing to give up a 1st rounder for a "sure" thing over a "boom or bust" pick, which is why even if we try to keep DA we may get poison pilled. But IMO that's the best case scenario.

And to be honest, aside from Colt Brennan I'm not too thrilled with this draft class at QB...and even then Brennan has his "system QB" issues.

It'll be Quinn next year, regardless of whether it's by default after trading DA to get back into the first (which I hope) or whether it's because he beats Anderson out in the pre-season (which is also likely). I just can't see Anderson's inaccuracy holding up to Quinn when put into a fresh situation and under a microscope.

I thought if anything this draft actually had some QB potential studs all around. I mean Matt Ryan, Woodson, Brohm... there's some solid first rounders right there for you. But I still think some QB desparate team should want to give us a first rounder for DA, which is what I want.....

Unless a minor miracle happens in the playoffs, I think it'll be Quinn next year.
I've said all season that DA's deficencies are (mostly) acceptable as long as we win... I could take the inaccurate throws and occasional dumbass decision, because he was putting points on the board and could make big plays...
but 4 INTs on top of that vs. Cincinnati was a big problem.
He's got horrible God-awful unbelievably bad touch and I don't think that will change.
Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind at any juncture.

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I still think a team is willing to give up a 1st rounder for a "sure" thing over a "boom or bust" pick,

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You say this, and yet you think we should let DA get away in favor of 1st round pick we made last year that is still an unknown.... odd?

Whats the point you're trying to make?

Isn't the title of this thread "Who will be the starting QB Game 1 next season?" Everyone who responds is assuming...Everyone. Why is it ok to think Brady but not DA?



Did you read the rest of his post? If so... U SHOULD know why I responded like I did..if you don't get it..I'm not about to splain it to you.
Take your acid rained shower now.

It wasn't because of what he said, it was about him giving his opinion and then belittling other posters opinions as message board drivel. You know how that works, right?

U suffering from selective reading again?

Guess U didn't bother to see what he said about EVERYONE else on this board...U seem to pick and choose when you strike...

funny how you don't want others to criticize other posters when they wrongly call out others but U feel free to do so yourself..
Thats funny...

Thought this might fit here ..... as it does have some quotes from those whose opinions actually matter in this matter .........

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=393229&Category=17&subCategoryID=26

BEREA It’s debatable whether Derek Anderson deserves to be the Browns Player of the Year. According to the local chapter of the Pro Football Writers of America, he is.

The 24-year-old quarterback was told of the award Thursday. Voting was conducted Sunday in the Cincinnati press box, shortly before Anderson threw four interceptions.

Pro Bowlers Braylon Edwards and Joshua Cribbs rated consideration. So did Pro Bowl alternates Joe Thomas and Eric Steinbach, who have had Anderson’s back. He has been sacked just four times in the last eight games.

So did Jamal Lewis, who has a chance to rush for more yards than any Browns player since Jim Brown in 1965.

As typical, Anderson reacted with humor, saying he’s glad he didn’t win the Good Guy Award — no previous winner is still with the team.

He knows he’s not even the Browns’ most valuable quarterback this week, in terms of making the playoffs. That would be Jim Sorgi, the Colts backup who must beat Tennessee on Sunday night.

“Maybe I’ll send him a box of cookies,” Anderson said.

Sorgi becomes a serious figure only because Anderson and Co. lost, 19-14, at Cincinnati on Sunday. Anderson had his poorest game at the worst time. A win would have clinched a playoff spot and given the Browns a shot at winning the AFC North.

Head Coach Romeo Crennel was forgiving Thursday as he assessed Anderson’s body of work.

“When you think of what he has been able to do and where this team has come, he’s had a good year,” Crennel said. “He is experiencing some things for the first time. He’s handled them pretty good, generally.”

General Manager Phil Savage analyzed Anderson’s season thusly in a radio interview:

“When you go to A to Z, I think you would have to say he’s had a very good year,” Savage said. “Anytime you throw 28 touchdowns ...

“He’s thrown the 18 picks, but he’s taken less sacks than just about anybody. For a first-year starter ... we really have to take a step back and recognize what we may have in this player.”

Savage used a golf analogy to characterize the tall, young QB’s first full year as an NFL starter.

“He can hit the 350-yard drive,” Savage said, “and that’s what makes him a great prospect, but that also can be a bit of a negative at times.

“It’s our job going forward to try to teach D.A. to play with a 7-iron, so to speak.”

Anderson has never played this course. He didn’t get in a game as a 2005 rookie, then played in four games in relief of Charlie Frye in 2006.

Anderson got tons of playing experience in college, but the NFL season is longer.

In terms of hitting a wall, he said, “I’m good.”

Three of his five worst games in terms of passer rating, though, have come this month.

In September, the league was buzzing about Anderson after he won a 51-45 shootout against Cincinnati.

“They were on fire,” Oakland Head Coach lane Kiffin said then. “I can’t imagine them playing much better.

“He was like that at Oregon State. When he gets rid of it and has time, he has that big-time arm and accuracy.”

Now there is a whole season to weigh.

“(Anderson) has done an outstanding job of utilizing the guys around him,” 49ers Head Coach Dick Nolan said. “That inspires your football team.”

There would be something inspiring about the team’s home record if the Browns win Sunday.

The only loss, in the opener against Pittsburgh, came with Charlie Frye starting. Anderson would be 7-0.

Then, the question becomes: With Brady Quinn in hand, will quarterback-needy teams be inspired to offer the Browns an offer they can’t refuse for Anderson?

Reach Repository sports writer Steve Doerschuk at (330) 580-8347 or e-mail steve.doerschuk@cantonrep.com

IN THE PASSING LANE

Some of Derek Anderson’s 2007 superlatives:

-- With 3,635 passing yards, he has a chance to be second in franchise history, passing Brian Sipe’s 3,876 yards in 1981.

-- Can pass Bernie Kosar’s best season, 3,854 yards in 1986.

-- Already way past Tim Couch’s best year, 3,040 yards in 2001.

-- With 28 touchdowns, he has a chance to catch Sipe’s franchise-best 30 set in 1980.

-- His 12.67 yards per completion is No. 1 in the NFL, just ahead of Tony Romo’s 12.58.

Savage used a golf analogy to characterize the tall, young QB’s first full year as an NFL starter.

“He can hit the 350-yard drive,” Savage said, “and that’s what makes him a great prospect, but that also can be a bit of a negative at times.

“It’s our job going forward to try to teach D.A. to play with a 7-iron, so to speak.”


If he's here...

They should teach him to use a wedge not a 7-iron. It's his short game that's questionable.

He also said:

“When you go to A to Z, I think you would have to say he’s had a very good year,” Savage said. “Anytime you throw 28 touchdowns ...

“He’s thrown the 18 picks, but he’s taken less sacks than just about anybody. For a first-year starter ... we really have to take a step back and recognize what we may have in this player.”

That sounds like someone the team just might be interested in retauining and going forward with.

Of course ... it could be "GMSpeak" ........ or we could wake one morning near draft time and find that either guy was moved.

If you ask me ...... I think that Savage enjoys keeping everyone guessing.

I think the possibilites are he could be back..I won't be shocked.
Phil at this time doesn't know yet.
He has to get to the offeseaon and evaluate what he wants to do..after that, he'll either get offers and see what they're worth ..then he'll make a decision..

Or he could make a decision early and not worry about offers..rrrrrrrright...