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I don't know who will start next year.
The deal with Anderson is he is now a experienced qb and will head into the off-season with all attention focused on him....attention of the staff. Coaches may say they coach everybody the same, and I am sure they do to a degree, but the focus is different.
As the #1 guy, DA will now have the chance to improve on some of the things many have brought up over the last few months.
The staff has lot's of film to spot the flaws....and now the time to address some of those things in ways they really can't during the season....they can try to some extent during the season, but you aren't going to try to change mechanical stuff other than throwing a band-aid at the problem during the season.
Fighters train, and then fight. You don't start bringing up new stuff in the corner between the 6th and 7th rounds.
I expect the staff to really work with the kid...and am sure DA will work hard to bring his game up even further.....lets face it...there is a big difference in the psyche knowing you are good and looking to improve rather than thinking you are good and hoping to make the team. You have the confidence to try new ideas rather than take the attitude you better stick with what got you this far.
DA and Sherer, and and other qb guru they want to bring in should have a big off season, with the results on display in September.
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I'm going to post some stats and U guys can evaluate them as you like...it's tedious , so don't expect me to do everything...
DA's completion % & passer rating after the bye week:
72.0% -- 143.0
60.4 -- 75.3
45.7 -- 83.4
63.2 -- 73.8
68.6 -- 96.5
51.2 -- 71.6
55.2 -- 83.3
37.5 -- 57.1
60.4 -- 53.4
55.0 -- 75.4
Now something else ...his completition % broken down for the season..
Attempts 1-Through-10 yds 50.6 % completition
Attempts 11-Through-20yds 63.9 %completition
Attempts 21-Through-30yds 55.4 %completition
Attempts 31+ yds 55.7 %completition
The leaders in each category:
Brady : Attempts 1-Through-10 yds 69% completition
Brady: Attempts 11-Through-20yds 72.5 %completition
Farve : Attempts 21-Through-30yds 72.3 %completition
Big Ben: Attempts 31+ yds ---- 71.4 %completition
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but it's pretty obvious to me that there are too many here who are infatuated w/the "pretty girl." Pretty girls are nice to look at, but they don't always make the best wives and mothers......if you know what I mean.
Well, it's pretty obvious to me that there are a lot here who are willing to stay in a potentially bad relationship, because it's safe.. and at least you know what to expect. The one their with isn't exactly what they want, but living in fear that "it could be worse" prevents them from seeking real happiness... 
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37.5 -- 57.1
60.4 -- 53.4
Very windy games
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Now something else ...his completition % broken down for the season..
Attempts 1-Through-10 yds 50.6 % completition
Attempts 11-Through-20yds 63.9 %completition
Attempts 21-Through-30yds 55.4 %completition
Attempts 31+ yds 55.7 %completition
I'm quite happy with these numbers with the huge exception of the first numbers. Those are putrid. Now if he could show huge improvemeny there I would be happy.
I know there is waaaay more to it than comp. % but I don't think his are that bad.
There is no way to compare his numbers to Brady. He had the best season of a QB ever. I think Ben's long ball numbers are helped by his ability to escape the rush and complete long balls on broken plays. Something DA will never be able to do.
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"What was our home record w/DA as the starting QB?"
Oh, without a doubt his comfort level was night and day at home...and away...7-0 at home. Unfortunately we got to play 8 on the road. Franchise QBs win on the road.
"What was the rating of the opposing QBs in the last 4 games of the year? You know, the same 4 games when DA really stunk it up. I kinda have a sneaky feeling that DA's rating was higher than theirs. Am I wrong?"
I don't know I'm not a big stat guy...I threw DA's out there cause there are a few who only can evaluate via the stat. But if its a point you wish to make...go ahead and put them out there.
My opinions were not derived from the stats.
My opinions were from a Steeler game that we had them up against the ropes - They through the kitchen sink at us and the OL/Wright n Co. picked up the blitzes - DA didn't not only not make them pay for the blitz he was awful.
Zona not as pronounced as the Steeler game but still something was missing from DA until we make a last ditch frantic drive.
Bengal game maybe the biggest game of our season...we had the running game going we had the defense gong. DA just chose to have his worst game.
I'm mean What I'm saying is almost rediculous cause we were 5-3 in the last 8 games. I understand this and the guys at ESPN are hot on this way of thinking. But when I look at DA individually - I don't see a franchise QB and he was not great in many of those wins. Stats??? heck if you look at Steeler game II DA had 3 TDs and 0 INTs - pretty good stats but he totally stunk up that game in the 2nd half. He didn't throw it to their guys but he didn't throw it to ours either.
"tab, you were ripping BQ big time before the draft. How has he suddenly become a much better player after he quit playing?"
1. you should have used the word "Weren't?" as in a question instead of stating a total erroneous opinion as fact.
2. I won't go banana's on you for making that statement but please next time be accurate.
3. I never Ripped BQ - I pimped Joe Thomas. I most definately made my case that it would be futile to invest highly into a Franchise QB without establishing an environment for him to succeed - Joe Thomas would be instrumental in establishing a good environment for a QB to succeed. I know more than once that I sated - If after we got Thomas and BQ was available in the 08 draft - I'm all for it.
Little did I know we would make that 08 pick at #22 of the 07 draft.
But to answer you - No, that wasn't me ripping BQ pre-draft. Please be a little more accurate or make it a question - but don't erroneously put crapola out there hoping it would stick.
Didn't you say DA sucked...Does it matter? No - and I have also recognized his rise as a starting QB this season. I think he is upgradeable. I also think Shaffer is upgradeable at RT...If we had a 1st round pick RT sitting on the bench ready to take over - I'd be saying dump him...QB is more valuable so DA should not be dumped. But make no mistake about it. He's a Shaffer of a QB.
Now I have answered all your questions...and you not one of mine 
But I don't blame you.
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There is no way to compare his numbers to Brady.
Wasn't trying to compare him to Brady...or Farve
I looked for who had the best completition numbers...to see if there was a small/large gap between DA and other QB's....Garrad was second to Brady in the 1-10 yard areas with a 68% ...
So what would be the argument on him?
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Oh, without a doubt his comfort level was night and day at home...and away...7-0 at home. Unfortunately we got to play 8 on the road. Franchise QBs win on the road.
No doubt.......but you learn to win at home first. Something none of the other bums could figure out.
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Like I said, DA's numbers are putrid. No need to defend his numbers. The fact is if you took all QBs numbers for less than 10 yds I would suspect DA would be at the bottom of the list. That is unacceptable for a QB in Cleveland, let alone anywhere else.
I was just pointing out that Brady's numbers this year were nuts. Halfway through the season he was averaging around 75% comp. That is just sick.
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The real thing is what happened to DA after the bye week?
Look at his completition %'s and his QB rating...
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heck if you look at Steeler game II DA had 3 TDs and 0 INTs - pretty good stats but he totally stunk up that game in the 2nd half. He didn't throw it to their guys but he didn't throw it to ours either.
In the first half, he also had a 3 yard TD drive and an 18 yard TD drive.... I congratulate him on capitalizing on good field position...
In the second half, he was 6 for 19 for 43 yards.....
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The wind must have picked up during half time.............
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The wind must have picked up during half time.............
Here are the only stats you need to know !!!!!!!!
Two big Games :Arizona and Bungals
DA'S record 0-2
Why 0-2 because he was absolutely horrible in both Games.
Ans I blame DA pathetic play for both losses,even a mediocre game fron DA was enough to win either one of those games.
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You do realize
Bengals, Ravens, Dolphins, Seahawks, Texans, Bills and 49ers
Were those opponents. Only the Seahawks were a competitive team and they have a history of not being competitive outdoors.
Got news for you and I'll catch heat for this one from a few....TC was a better QB than DA - Pre Injury TC 2001-2002 TC his 3rd n 4th seasons. But no comparison to environment. And I only open that can of worms from your use of the word Bum! Your favorite description of him.
But if you think this is some learning process and we got a Favre on our hands - Then those nice words of - You learn to win at home first - have some meaning. We don't have a Favre on our hands...we got a great team in the making and maybe one of the most fantastic Offenses in the making. Just cause we can put up better than average production against the mediocrity of the NFL does not mean we can be SB bound. It could mean we will waste one of the best Offenses that the Browns have ever had!
I know I just said it before...Shaffer I think is OK at RT...I hope we upgrade him...but if we don't - he'll continue to be OK.
Well DA is OK...I think we can upgrade on him - If we don't - heck he'll continue to be OK. I think they are very closely matched in relation to the position that they play. Except with Shaffer you only got his play and not statistics to blur the mind.
I on the other hand feel we must upgrade on that QB to beat the upper echilon teams...heck we can't even beat the Bengals, Zona, Raiders on their home turf.
One game - One game and only one game did DA give me a glimpse of a Franchise QB. The Rams game. There were many afterwards - not once...not even not one half did he come close to showing he was that kind of QB.
Sure the great ones don't play lights out every game...but they will in most games...DA ONE game. And the great ones uplift their game with the importance of it. DA...with every important game to one more important his play got worse not uplifted!
JMHO - btw, what happened to SB/Championship is the ONLY THING!
I do see a trend...I do see DA failing in competition again and again. I just don't want to waste maybe the best Offensive environment ever assembled by a Browns team on somebody who is comparable to Shaffer our RT.
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We were 0 - 8 and it was all on DA
What did I miss?
The sarcasm? 
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You do realize
Bengals, Ravens, Dolphins, Seahawks, Texans, Bills and 49ers
Were those opponents. Only the Seahawks were a competitive team and they have a history of not being competitive outdoors.
Got news for you and I'll catch heat for this one from a few....TC was a better QB than DA - Pre Injury TC 2001-2002 TC his 3rd n 4th seasons. But no comparison to environment. And I only open that can of worms from your use of the word Bum! Your favorite description of him.
But if you think this is some learning process and we got a Favre on our hands - Then those nice words of - You learn to win at home first - have some meaning. We don't have a Favre on our hands...we got a great team in the making and maybe one of the most fantastic Offenses in the making. Just cause we can put up better than average production against the mediocrity of the NFL does not mean we can be SB bound. It could mean we will waste one of the best Offenses that the Browns have ever had!
I know I just said it before...Shaffer I think is OK at RT...I hope we upgrade him...but if we don't - he'll continue to be OK.
Well DA is OK...I think we can upgrade on him - If we don't - heck he'll continue to be OK. I think they are very closely matched in relation to the position that they play. Except with Shaffer you only got his play and not statistics to blur the mind.
I on the other hand feel we must upgrade on that QB to beat the upper echilon teams...heck we can't even beat the Bengals, Zona, Raiders on their home turf.
One game - One game and only one game did DA give me a glimpse of a Franchise QB. The Rams game. There were many afterwards - not once...not even not one half did he come close to showing he was that kind of QB.
Sure the great ones don't play lights out every game...but they will in most games...DA ONE game. And the great ones uplift their game with the importance of it. DA...with every important game to one more important his play got worse not uplifted!
JMHO - btw, what happened to SB/Championship is the ONLY THING!
I do see a trend...I do see DA failing in competition again and again. I just don't want to waste maybe the best Offensive environment ever assembled by a Browns team on somebody who is comparable to Shaffer our RT.
Exactly my point DA is an OK QB.But in the games he needs to win he is at his WORST how can any Browns fan accept that.
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72.0% -- 143.0
Rams game. Was on the road but it was against the Rams.
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60.4 -- 75.3
Seahawks. Opponents QB rating was 73% DA threw for 364 yds. while we scored 33 points. O TDs but 1 pick. Don't think QB rating tells the story of the game. I don't remember the pick, so I'm not sure if it was a bad pass or stupid decision. Or for that matter a great defensive play. Seattle also only gives up 219 yds. passing a game.
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Pitt game. QB rating of 76.5%. Completely awful second half. I don't remember how much he was throwing in the second half. What I mean was he just passing once on all of our 3 and outs. Stats could have been much worse, or maybe better if he had a chance to have rythym. Anyway he really sucked the 2nd half. Also, He only threw for 123 yds. all game.
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Ravens game. Their opponents avg. 87.6 QB rating. Derek threw for 274 yds with 1 td and 1 pick (pick 6) He threw for 50 or so yards more than the Ravens give up. We also put up 33 points.
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Houston..Opp. QB rating is 93.3%. DA threw for 254 yds. 1 TD 1 pick. Houston gives up 230 yds. a game in the air.
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Zona. Opp. QB rate is 85.8% DA threw for 304 yds. 2tds 2 ints. Zona defense avg. 254 yds. passing. I don't remember this game for some reason. Most seem to think he wasn't as good as his stats.
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Jets.82.6 QB rate. 191 yds. per game. DA threw for 182 yds, 2tds 1 pick. The thing I remember the most was late in the game he didnot look good. I also know he was very upset because the Jets ball boys were not drying off the wet balls for him. Clements didn't have a problem in thr rain. take it for what it's worth.
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SF game. 89.9 QB rate.227 yds. per game. DA 152 yds. passing with 1 td and 1 pick. The pick was not accuracy but rather dumb decsion. Game was never in doubt, he just managed the game. Not a good performance.
What does all this mean? Nothing really. We don't know how much each of these teams gave up against the run which can dramatically change their passing stats. Also we are not taking into account are rushing game in each contest, nor if we were coming from way behind which alters stats.
What I do think is he did play worse at the end of the season but not badly inall games. Cincy was awful and SF did't inspire confidence. I was not unhappy with the Jets game except the very end. This is the time when DA actually played his best all year. That includes the Pit game where he got us in position for a long field goal with a lack of time outs
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Being competetive has nothing to do with a good pass defense. Oakland last year was praised on how they had a playoff (I think some said Super Bowl ) caliber defense. They sucked but it had to do with offense.
Now the Jets were 9th against the pass and the Seahawks were 2nd best at 19th, Ravens were 20th. Not really good defenses against the pass but there are other factors that come into play (see above post).
If you want to look at purely win loss records then he should have put up great numbers. Too bad there is more to it.
Also Zona and Houston were competetive teams this year. The Texans were 8-8 and played one of the toughest schedules. Zona was a jeckyl and hyde team who managed to go 8-8.
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Pass D ranking is tough...What were we last year? #5 against the pass or #14. We had no pass rush and terrible Corners.
Teams just got ahead of us and our Run D stunk so there was no need for teams to pass on us. Oh and our Offense was putrid...10 points was an unsurmountable lead.
SeaHawks Pass D was mostly predicated on their Pass Rush - they had the leading Pass Rush (sacks leader) coming into our game....they couldn't touch DA.
Jets...suck against the Run...their Pass D ranking is predicated on Suckiness not prowess.
Oakland...their D is good but most compare to their O and they are good.
Zona was in a terrible division...if Texans get praised for the toughest division...Zona can't get credit for being in the worst. The media loved Zona cause of Wisenhunt and Co.
Houston we beat at home...we were a different team at home and that was the entire team not only DA - unless they simply followed his lead? If so then they followed his lead on the road too. But DA played better at home but if he had a bad spurt there were others to pick him up...such as the D and Cribbs.
We forget Cribbs. That is the unbalanced stats for the Pitt II game with DA...3 TDs no INT gave a 80+ QB rating yet his Completion pct. was under 50 and total yards 123? Thats cause of Cribbs - 2 returns inside the redzone that DA turned into TDs??? Pretty sure.
DA's stats are good primarily cause of his TD's - lets face it. That is the only reason why we have this discussion now. And its a compelling argument. We would be on the 12 and he will throw one good pass in the entire drive it happened to be a perfect on the numbers skinny post to BE or JJ sitting on a curl or hitting KW2 on a seam route. Boom TD. I understand this and that is why some team will probably offer more than what he's worth.
But this Offense was dynomite...and should have been more dominant against the competition that we had - when we had them!
DA didn't lose many games for us himself. Only the Bengal game falls in that bracket and possibly his 2nd half play from the Steeler game. The other losses were combinations of him not doing enough and our Team taking big shares of the losses.
As for winning...I only saw the RAM game as his dominating game....Even the Bengal game, heck that was a shootout but he made some bad throws with very wide open WRs that became TDs and big gains - biggest moment statistically for him??? but Not a great game by him as a QB.
But thank you for bringing up Jekyll n Hyde...again my term for DA and not really what I want leading us to a championship or for that matter being able to lead us!
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What does all this mean? Nothing really
Nothing to someone who wouldn't know how to apply the information..
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eo I pretty much agree with your assessment.
Even in the second half of the Steelers game, our defense fell apart.. that's pretty much a shared loss...
I would say if I had to give more blame for any loss to DA, other than the Bengals game, it would be the Cards game...
But you are right in your assessment of Cribbs affect on the offense, we seldom had bad field position...
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DA didn't lose many games for us himself. Only the Bengal game falls in that bracket and possibly his 2nd half play from the Steeler game. The other losses were combinations of him not doing enough and our Team taking big shares of the losses.
AsJMHO
I agree except I think he was bad in the Arizona loss,1 of 2 very big games at the end of the season.
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