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I never thought it was a dirty hit. Not once.
Just a bad collision.

Show me a CB or Safety in the NFL that doesn't blatantly go at a player's knees on almost EVERY play? 99% of those players wouldn't know how to stick and wrap their arms for a tackle if their life depended on it. Without fale, these players launch their bodies at the lower extremities on nearly every play They are taught to tackle that way and has been the driving force for undersized players to compete with bigger backs with momentum. Unfortunately, if the players leg gets firmly planted at the moment of the hit, something has to give - as in this case Chubb's knee. Me personally, I have never liked that type of tackling. I think it endangers the carrier on every play. I also believe that it's a crutch that allows poor tacklers to stay on the field. However, it is deemed as legal and like it or not, every single Browns DB on the roster tackles the exact same way multiple times every single game. Until the NFL addresses the issue, it will remain in place for all teams including the Browns. Not unlike leading with the head or the recently banned hip tackle, changing the diving at the lower extremities is an issue that if changed will greatly alter the game because 99% of the DB's don't know how to tackle. That may happen someday but until then, hard to bitch about the hit when you yourself live in that same glass house. Remember, they changed it for the hits on QB's so it can be done but at what cost to the game? Not sure but as of today, not dirty or illegal - EVERY TEAM DOES IT!

I cannot disagree more. I watch pretty much every game every week. Players might dive at a guys legs. It’s either thigh level or calf level. You rarely see guys dive directly at the knee. If they did you’d see more injuries like Nicks which we don’t see that often.

It is a reactionary thing. Players dive low. I don't think there is much aiming other than aim low to take a players legs out. It is also a moving target. The DB starts his low tackles..say towards the ankles. As the back gets a foot or so closer, it is now going to impact the knees.

It's hard...if not impossible...to give guys like Fitzpatrick the benefit of the doubt.

I agree with your post but this isn't the first time a Steeler has hurt a Browns player knocked them out of a game and caused them to miss time.

Nick Chubb disagrees with you.

Nick Chubb did. He plainly stated the hit wasn't dirty.

I can't believe that after his statement this is still up for debate. No wait a minute, yes I can.

And Caitlyn Clark is ok with being left off the Olympic team.

I mean she said so.

Yes, comparing the two is so meaningful!

Nick Chubb has played this sport since he was a child and the only thing you can do to try to continue making your point is to try and discredit Nick Cubb. Bravo!

Yes, I discredited Nick Chubb.

Or I just simply made a point that what people say in public aren’t what they mean.

Or Nick and I could just disagree.

I’m ok with any of those outcomes.

You really struggle with context and opinions.

Where did I say that the hit on Chubb was dirty? Even if I DID say it was dirty, that would be MY OPINION in contrast to that of Chubb's. He can think what he thinks and I can think what I think (even though I did not opine on the hit itself). It's not a math equation with a definitive answer. Not to mention...what else is Chubb going to say? He can leave the whining up to the fans.

Certain players - and certain teams - are known for what they do and how they do it. When they do their thing - with or without bad intent - it's difficult to believe their public claim(s) about a specific action(s). Boy that cried wolf...benefit of the doubt. It's not difficult to see.

If you don't/can't/won't see Rish's point...I certainly can't help you with that either.

Read the rest of your post in it's entirety again. What you're saying is quite obvious.

No doubt you can think whatever you want to think. Sadly that is no comparison to a person who plays this game as a profession and has for several years now and suffered a similar injury in college. Some people would take the word of a person with far more experience in actually playing the game as a learning experience. Then as we can see, some obviously will not.

Yeah, Chubb made it clear and you're looking for ways to claim you know more about it than he does. I'm sure you're okay with that outcome.

Is it really that hard to believe that Chubb just doesn't want the publicity that saying it was a dirty hit would bring? He's obviously not comfortable with media attention and has avoided it since he's been here. I can't recall him ever pointing a finger at anyone, it's not who he is. Saying anything other than it wasn't a dirty hit would bring the headlines. I have no problem thinking there's a damn good chance that's why he said that.

It's not an impossibility you are correct, however there were plenty of ways to give a non answer. We see it all the time. You don't have to point a finger at someone by saying that you're not sure and people will have to determine that for themselves. Or you could simply read the rules that explain what illegal hits are to see this was not an illegal hit. It makes far more sense for a player to know and state that it wasn't a dirty hit since it's plainly a legal hit. For most a dirty hit would be a hit that violates the rules of the game. For others it seems not so much.

As it pertains to Chubb it seems that a hit that falls within the content of the rules and is not a violation of the game rules is not what he considers a dirty hit. At least that seems to make far more sense than people trying to claim he didn't mean what he said.

I don't think it's any more doubtable than your other options.

So you think saying the hit wasn't dirty because it was a legal hit is not more viable than claiming he wasn't being honest? We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

We/Browns know Chubb- his injured leg will be as strong or stronger than his good leg--unless God decides differently- effort ain't an issue. Nick ready week one- but they use him just a little.....Go Browns!!!

j/c...

What a legend.

I admire your hopeful enthusiasm.

I admire Nick Chubb

My daughter just tried to secure #24 for her jersey on her new soccer team, but it was taken.

We had to settle for #95.

I wouldn't bet against Chubb being back for week 1. Not saying it will happen, I just wouldn't bet against it.

This is great to see. Unfortunately, it doesn't really test lateral stability.

With the Tsunami Barbell®, Chubb is working on his stabilizers. That is not a routine squat workout.

Before his injury last year, Chubb squatted over 600 lbs with the Tsunami Barbell®.

He is roughly working about 70% near last year. In the video, he is working out with regular dudes spotting. He has the green light to do his normal workout routine.

I never used the Tsunami Barbell®. I'm curious what the difference feels like.

Funny, I was wondering the same thing. Finally dug in last night to what kind of bar he was using. AI provided the following breakdown. The part about "enhanced muscle recruitment" seemed obvious to me, but that would seem, on the surface, to be rather uncomfortable. Reduced joint stress makes a lot of sense as well.


The Tsunami Barbell offers several advantages over traditional steel barbells:

Increased force production: Studies have shown that the Tsunami Bar generates significantly greater forces than an Olympic barbell due to its flexible nature, allowing for greater force production during exercises.

Enhanced muscle recruitment: The bar's flexing and oscillating properties recruit additional muscles during lifts, particularly stabilizer muscles.

Improved rate of force development: The bar's design allows users to develop explosiveness more safely, potentially improving an athlete's ability to generate strength quickly for activities like running, jumping, and hitting.

Reduced joint stress: Some athletes report less joint pain when using the Tsunami Bar for exercises like overhead presses compared to traditional barbells.

Versatility in training: The bar can be used for various exercises and training methods, including dynamic bench presses, high-rep benching, overhead pressing, and as part of complex training routines.

Rehabilitation benefits: The oscillation of the bar can be beneficial for rehab purposes.

Comfort for certain exercises: The thicker diameter and flexible nature of the bar make it more comfortable for exercises like Zercher squats.

Unique training stimulus: The bar's properties provide a different training stimulus compared to traditional barbells, potentially leading to new adaptations and performance improvements.

Preparation for sports-specific demands: The bar's dynamic properties may better prepare athletes for the unpredictable forces encountered in sports.

Increased stabilizer activity: The oscillation of the bar enhances stabilizer muscle activity, potentially improving overall strength and coordination.

While the Tsunami Barbell offers these advantages, it's important to note that it's not meant to replace traditional barbells entirely but rather to complement existing training tools and methods.