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I've talked myself into thinking Bibb is perfectly ok with the Browns moving to Brook Park so the city gets the land back and the lakefront finally gets developed. Bummer for the local bars/restaurants on Sunday's but in the end it's only 8-9 days out of the year, add a few more days for other events. Haslams get their dome and Bibb gets the lakefront to develop. A win-win.

I'd expect some high end residential condos/apartments to be constructed as well.

No business wants to see 60,000 people vanish on gameday, but their business isn't going to dry up. There are a certain number of people who don't go downtown on gameday because of the crowd and inflated parking prices who will now be able to go downtown.

Report: Browns set to announce plans to build a dome in Brook Park

The Cleveland Browns and owner Jimmy Haslam are going to build a dome. This has been blatantly obvious from the start of this.

While the City of Cleveland put together a package to renovate Cleveland Browns Stadium for over $400 million this past week, NEOtrans-blog, who has been right on every major detail to this point, is reporting that the Browns to Brook Park is a done deal.

NEOtrans-blog has reported that Brook Park and the Browns have agreed to a $3.6 billion stadium and surrounding development plan that would move the team out of downtown Cleveland and into the suburbs.

This became evident after Haslam Ownership Group purchased a large lot of land by the Cleveland Airport. Then it should have been more clear when reports that Cleveland Browns Stadium was built too fast and could not be renovated properly came out. Then it should have been wildly clear after the Browns remained non-committal following the city's release of their renovation plan.

At the end of the day though, the Browns are building a dome because that's what ownership wants to do and their minds will not be changed.


https://sports.yahoo.com/report-browns-set-announce-plans-095231963.html#:~:text=NEOtrans%2Dblog%20has%20reported%20that,land%20by%20the%20Cleveland%20Airport.

I wonder how this will go down for him politically.....losing the Browns to a suburb.

Two things...

* If the Lakefront renovation comes to fruition it lessens the pain. Unfortunately, now, bureaucracy and feet dragging ensues, something that Jimmy would never let happen but Cleveland is famous for.

* Jimmy will be more than diplomatic about the two trying to work together but the math, physics and logistics just being too overwhelming and complicated.

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I think the Brookpark venue sounds pretty badass honestly.

How many lakeshore development plans have every fully come to fruition? Haha. I feel like each mayor has had at least one and it failed each time.

I also think the hotels and restaurants won't hurt as much as people think. People will still stay downtown and drive to Brook Park. That is a quick and easy drive and you can still enjoy downtown for a weekend and spend more time there than in Brook Park when visiting.

The guy that runs NEOTrans blog always has the scoop on all things Cleveland real estate and development. Hat tip to him.

It makes too much sense.

Ken Pendergast is his name and, you're right, he has the best placed sources in town when it comes to development.

I think it will actually help him politically. If you read other boards that pertain to Cleveland and are not Browns-centric, I'd argue far more Cleveland residents are against the city contributing any money to a new stadium and want the Haslams to take the team to Brook Park. I really think this is a win for both the Haslams and Bibb.

The new deal for the river development that Dan Gilbert's company is about to get will help, too.

I know, I know, but I think there is enough momentum now (and actual federal funding) that it may just happen. Granted, it will take a decade or two, but that may actually be his job security. And for the record, this is only the 17th attempt. The city will get behind it as a big "screw you" to Haslam. But yeah, with all that said, you are probably right.

I agree on the hotels and restaurants take. The Indians "sell off" was much more devastating as all of the rents being charged were based on 81 dates of booming business. 81 dates also meant you were geared for that traffic at all times and off days were a welcome relief of the staff and management. Hotels will still be full or close and still have 357 other days to make money. Many restaurants will simply reply with an "oh well"... anarchy is less profitable, presents huge staffing issues ("I really only need you for eight days this year") and many more problems and expenses. It's a nice payday with loads of headaches. People who already have money hate headaches.

A hat tip to him for taking the heat for the story being a dead link as well. People on X berating him and he's like "I deserve it" lol. Pretty rare commodity there.

As for me I am happy to see this (hope I am around long enough to enjoy a few games there.) I spend a lot more time in that area.

The Express Deli in Brook Park is in line for their business to boom on gamedays. I'll argue it is the best corned beef sandwich in Cleveland ahead of Slyman's and Jack's Deli. The owner is an awesome guy, too.

Eh.. I don’t like it but I can see why others like the move. A dome will bring in a lot of cool events to the area. As for me, I’ll miss heading down to the lakefront on Sunday’s - taking the same walk that I’ve been taking with my family since I was four years old. I’ll also miss being outdoors in those late November games. The chilly weather combined with football was my happy place. As for how Cleveland will spend 400 million - it won’t go far. I used to teach in Cleveland and I’ve never seen so much waste as far as technology, textbooks, food, etc. - None of it mattered in the grand scheme of it all. Maybe they can use that money to beef up the police force.
I definitely don’t see this as a win for Bibb - he’s lost a huge portion of Sherwin Williams, now the Browns, and from what I can tell, hasn’t done anything to attract business. Any competent mayor would have found a way to work with the Browns.

Do you guys really think that he’ll find a way to redevelop the lakefront? With 400 million dollars? Heck what’s the cost of demolishing the existing Browns stadium? Then have money left to rebuild anything of significance?

I guess if Dan Gilbert steps in th can get something done. But what’s Dan Gilbert’s incentive? He just put how much of his own money into rocket mortgage field house, and the casino is fine right where it is. Any shopping venue would be a disaster with all of the riff-raff down there.

Brook Park will be a great location and it will be a great venue, but imho this is a backbreaking loss for Cleveland.

I think I get it. Model Tease comes to mind. 😆

I like the idea of the new stadium being a dome ..... and building up the area with shops, restaurants, and hotels wpould be huge.

$3.4 billion is a lot of money, unless Haslem has some guaranteed money coming in that we don't know about.

He made a half ass effort, so that will work for him.

As for redevelopment, that will take 15 years to happen, and when it does it will no doubt be half assed.

I might be able to park close enough that I could take in a game or 2 at the new stadium. (asuming I'm still around)

I hear you my friend. I'd say the odds are less than 50% I'll still be around or able to go once all this come to fruition.

It is what it is.

I'll likely be around. My family tends to be long lived, and I am really stubborn. It's only 4 years or so ... but, of course, it's all up to God.

Oh come on! I don’t know you guys, your ages, or your health situations, but you both have at least 20-30 years left in you!

LOL No I have spent a lot of time at Fairview Hospital and in Berea.

The project is being sold as an unprecedented economic development effort that includes a domed stadium and entertainment and lifestyle district that would be mostly privately funded. I haven't seen the final rendition but based on recent stadium builds, either a retractable roof or sliding natural grass stadium floor should be in order for the new complex. The last four stadiums that opened across the NFL all featured a roof of some kind. There are 10 stadiums in the NFL that have domes or a roof of some kind. The rest are played outdoors. Of the 10 domed stadiums, five of them have retractable roofs. The Cowboys, Colts, Falcons, Texans and Cardinals all have the opportunity to open and close the roofs to their stadiums. The NFL’s two desert teams have the ability to move their full grass football field out of their stadiums. Las Vegas and Arizona are the only two teams with grass fields and a roof at their stadium.

Patriot Place is an extension of Gillette Stadium developed by the Kraft Group’s construction and real estate team. It was the first mixed-use entertainment complex of its kind and has served as the model for the recent boom of attaching mixed-use developments to sports venues to provide year-round guests with dining, entertainment, hospitality, specialty retail, lodging and world-class health care. All indications are the new Browns complex will be similar in stature. I think that the surrounding area though is also being looked at by outside venders and would highly expect additional high-end chain hotels and restaurants securing those land masses directly across from the complex. JMHO, I do not think the downtown area will be the type of draw going forward as much as some may think. There will be too much money invested in the new complex to not make it more appealing than the downtown area.

j/c...



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That hype video is pretty good. I don't like the barn looking design, but I guess I'll get used to it. Now, they need to have league leading amenities. Lots of all inclusive club seating. Fan first pricing on concourse stadium menu. VIP areas.

And I'm intrigued that they showed a soccer pitch in the video. Is foreshadowing that CLE could get a soccer team?

In the letter the things that stood out for me the most were these comments.....

We need to be bold, we need to be innovative, and we need to take advantage of this unique moment to create a transformational project not only for our fans, but for Cleveland, the Northeast Ohio region and the State of Ohio.

While we have considered numerous sites throughout Cleveland and the region, our focus has been on two potential paths for the future of our stadium. One option is the renovation on the lakefront; while our current stadium has served us well, it would need substantial improvements to ensure future sustainability and make it a state-of-the-art facility that makes Cleveland proud. The lakefront site also has significant operational limitations for a building of our size, and requires major infrastructure moves to improve our operational and fan experience challenges. We have invested heavily in exploring this path and remain engaged with the City of Cleveland regarding a potential renovation plan, but it remains a complex and challenging proposition.

In the latest Tweet you posted it looks like they are laying the groundwork preparing fans that in the end Brook Park will be their final decision. That is what I've been expecting all along.

Just kinda wish they made the top glass retractable... So if it is nice weather or something could let the weather in as well...


I do like that the roof is transparent though similar to Indy's stadium... I assume they will have a similar system where they can cover it and protect like snow getting on the glass... etc...

I read that the retractable domes around the league are almost never retracted, and that's why they vetoed that idea. (a lot of expense for very little payoff)

we will be hosting the Super Bowl, final 4, wrestle mania, soccer matches, but concerts, etc

my only two concerns:

1. Don't love taking it off the lake shore
2. Don't love how light streams through in Indy and Minnesota (I assume it will be the same here)... I'd rather just go full dome with no open air option

What? No more snowy games in Cleveland. Wuzzes. lol Hell, it’s spring time by the time the SB is played these days.

You know what would be great? Build the roof of the dome with moving solar panels. During games use the panels as shade. Other times make it an energy-producing machine. At least for 8 or more hours a day, it's generating some use. I get it's Cleveland and solar power isn't a thing during the winter.

Now, if they can create a greenhouse to grow grass...!

Not sure how it looks like a barn...JMO

As for a soccer team, the Haslams own the Crew 125 miles away. I am not sure they would bring in some other team to compete. Maybe just representative of what could be brought in...world cup type events, NCAA championships.

My thoughts exactly. They have just held games at the stadium so it showed that they still can do that.

Heck they looked into hosting a Crew game here when Messi might have come into town.

Honestly I’ve warmed to the idea of a dome, but could they at least have the field be real grass?