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That post is obviously slanted, but it goes to the original point which was that there was a gag order in place specifically not to post about the witnesses. It was not appealed. It was not contested to my knowledge. He did it anyway.

Yes, some of those are worse than others for sure. One appears to have been reposted multiple times. Also, some of those are just plain bad and prima facie violations. He tried to get around it by quoting Jesse Waters, but that is bad. Really bad. The one where he actually posts something in his words too is also a prima facie violation.

You youngins and your new-fangled technology

I will add that the judge admonished Cohen without using his name. He mentioned that a witness was going on TV and bad mouthing Trump ( those are my words). The fact is Cohen is attacking Trump all over TV. Hell the judge’s daughter (a Democratic operative) had a picture of Trump behind bars on her social media page. I have to side with Trump when it comes to those two examples, especially with regards to Cohen.

I’m 56. Yeah the post is definitely pro Trump but it had all of the posts that were removed.

Oh I knew that you were older than me. It was a self-deprecating swipe at my own inability to find them.

Of course you do. I’m not sure but Cohen isn’t under a gag order and the judge’s daughter has nothing to do with Trump and stormey. Trump is a snowflake that can’t handle those two examples and still broke the gag order he was under and was held in contempt because of it. Bad boy bad boy. whatcha going to do? He has more alleged gag order violations to face tomorrow. Jail time is on the table.

I can't side with Trump in those examples. Does it seem like there is asymmetry as you mention? Sure. But the order was clear. Trump violated it.

The response to that is that dynamic may not be fair. However, in the case of Cohen, Trump would actually be better served by letting his attorneys take all that evidence to impeach Cohen as a witness on the stand. That's what I would do anyway, but that would be if what Cohen said on TV was exaggerative or far beyond the lines of what his testimony is or would be. I say that because I have not seen Cohen on any recent segments, so I don't know what he's been saying on TV.

I think we all know that Cohen is a scumbag. He already was a "fixer" who did all kinds of crap, and most likely would remain a scumbag if Trump hadn't thrown him under the bus. I would speculate that he specifically went on TV around the trial time in part to bait Trump to say something, because 1) He knows Trump can't keep his mouth shut and 2) It seems pretty clear in this case, like civil case that happened before, that Trump wants to find out exactly where his limits are with the judge and to push them as far out as possible.

If he had an inkling of restraint, he would let his attorneys take Cohen's entire body of work, all the TV appearances and whatnot, and impeach him as a witness. Like I said, it wouldn't be hard to do, and the judge already admonished him. Use that too. All it would take in that scenario is for Trump to show a hint of restraint and just NOT violate a clear order, but he couldn't do that.

As far as the judge's daughter goes, she is in no way tied to the case. The order was only extended after Trump brought her into the fray. From what the judge said - and I don't know the full story - the posts didn't belong to her. I know she works with a firm that also works with Democratic candidates, but I was unaware that she was an operative. Regardless, this is what I found on the image, that was central to Trump's posting:

What about the image of Trump in jail?
While Trump accurately noted Loren Merchan’s ties to prominent Democratic politicians, his claim that she tweeted a doctored image of him in prison is extremely dubious. He used the image to argue that Loren Merchan and her father are biased against him. His lawyers included these claims and images in Friday’s public filing, arguing that they reflect “hostility toward President Trump.”

The claim originated from Laura Loomer, a prominent right-wing conspiracy theorist.

But court officials in New York said in a statement that the account with the Trump-in-jail photo did not belong to Loren Merchan and was, in fact, an imposter trying to frame her.

“The X, formerly Twitter, account being attributed to Judge Merchan’s daughter no longer belongs to her since she deleted it approximately a year ago,” court spokesman Al Baker said last week. “It is not linked to her email address, nor has she posted under that screen name since she deleted the account. Rather, it represents the reconstitution, last April, and manipulation of an account she long ago abandoned.”

A forensic review published by The Spectator, a conservative-leaning British outlet, bolstered Baker’s denial and undercut Trump’s attempt to tie the tweets to Merchan.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/06/politics/trump-judge-daughter-attacks-explainer/index.html

Both of those posts aside, the one I find most alarming is when he goes after the jury members themselves. That is no bueno.

Not sure why you have to attack P individually. He is a well thought-out poster who brings a lot of reason and rationale to his posts, while maintaining respectful decorum. I may not always agree with him, but I value and appreciate my conversations with him.

I wasn’t attacking. Just pointing out the folly of siding with Trump.

"Of course you do."

How is that attacking? It’s not. It’s how you interpret it, then you attack me. Ok bro.

LOL. If what you did was not attacking, then what I did was certainly not attacking. I don't want to clog the thread, so I will just say that your posting history speaks for itself, and move on.

If I attack, you’ll certainly know it. Pointing out the folly of siding with trump on this is not an attack. But you do you.


Too late.

Saying I side with Trump is bad wording. I think he is guilty of breaking the gag order, I just don’t blame him for it when it comes to Cohen. The daughter isn’t part of the gag order that I saw but I understand why he would lash out. I agree completely with you that even mentioning jurors is out of bounds. I also agree that if he finds the gag order illegal he should fight it in court.

I will also say that I don’t believe this particular case is a sham. All it does is strengthen Trump in the polls and help people to think that people are just out to get Trump. With serious cases out there that I believe Trump may be guilty of and should automatically disqualify him for office and forfeit his freedom.

I agree. It's blowing my mind that for everything the lying shyster has done, they're going after him for hush money paid to a porn star.

They’re going after everything the lying shyster has done. This is just the first to reach an actual trial. Stay tuned.

Everything else trump has been able to delay. That is his tactic. Delay until the election. Then if he wins he can make it all go away.

Well said.

He has a plethora of other indictments and court cases going on. This just happens to be the first because it is more straightforward and harder to delay, tactically.

It has everything to do with a gag order. The gag order was to protect people from an onslaught of threats as is always the case when he attacks people on social media. And common sense dictates that when trump retweets something on his profile it's him endorsing the message. He isn't suppose to be doing any of that.The content of what he posted contains material concerning people he isn't suppose to be posting about.

Probably why the SCOTUS isn’t ruling on total immunity for Trump. So Biden doesn’t have it now.

I think there was some pushback about the accuracy on this item.

At a minimum, you can't associate a family relation with the actions of another. Just ask Ginny Thomas... Oh, wait...

There are far more serious cases but I believe it's becoming ever more clear that none of them will ever come to trial before the election. And while it's your contention that "All it does is strengthen Trump in the polls and help people to think that people are just out to get Trump.", I think that's quite short sighted. There has been no evidence of that happening. The "They're just out to get me" point would take people believing that in four jurisdictions, in four courts everyone has some huge conspiracy out to get trump. That 88 criminal counts were all manufactured and there is no validity to any of it. I think only died in the wool trumpians would buy into that mind set.

As for the gag order portion. I understand why people feel trump has the right to lash out because somehow they think Cohen and the judges daughter are on some kind of equal footing with trump. But they're not. I have never seen any evidence that Cohen's or the judges daughter have millions of followers. I've never seen Cohen or the judges daughter deride and attack people on social media that led to death threats. Because that's what the gag order is for. It's because his social media attacks on his opponents and detractors have led to multiple death threats against multiple people he has gone after on social media and in public. When anything that Cohen or the judges daughter posts or say rise to that level please let me know.

It's actually for filing false business records. There is nothing illegal about paying off a porn star. But you can't write it off on your taxes or falsify the paperwork surrounding those payments.

I’m wondering how many other catch and bury despicable trump stories Pecker is still hiding?

Access Hollywood tape not hidden.

Refusing to tell the American people about COVID because he thought it would hurt his political image.

Don't need to hide his actions they are in plain sight.

What crime did Trump commit? I dont think they have said yet in this trial. How do you have a trial with no crime?

Do just a little research beyond fox.

So you dont know what crime he commited? Conspiracies dont count. What actual law did he break?

Look around I am sure you can find the answer.

You dont know, do you.

Yes I do but I think it would be better if you find out for yourself.

Perhaps someone braver than you will come along a share what law he broke.

Trump hush money trial: What criminal charges does he face?
By Luc Cohen
April 22, 20245:08 PM EDTUpdated 10 days ago


NEW YORK, April 22 (Reuters) - Opening statements are set to take place on Monday in Donald Trump's criminal trial, the first ever of a former U.S. president, on charges of falsifying business records to conceal hush money paid to porn star Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election.
Trump, the Republican candidate challenging Democratic President Joe Biden in the Nov. 5 U.S. election, has pleaded not guilty. Here is an explanation of the charges brought by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg and Trump's possible defenses.

WHAT IS TRUMP ACCUSED OF DOING?

Bragg's office last year charged Trump with 34 counts of falsifying business records to cover up a $130,000 payment that Trump's former personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen made to Daniels in the waning days of the 2016 campaign for her silence about a sexual encounter she says she had with Trump a decade earlier.
Prosecutors have said that was part of a broader "catch-and-kill" scheme to suppress negative news stories about Trump before the 2016 election in which Trump defeated Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Cohen has also said he and Trump discussed a $150,000 payment made by American Media, publisher of the National Enquirer tabloid, to former Playboy model Karen McDougal to keep quiet about an affair she says she had with Trump. The tabloid never published a story.
Trump denies both sexual relationships and has called the case a politically motivated "witch hunt." He has admitted to reimbursing Cohen for his payment to Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford.

WHAT LAWS WOULD THAT VIOLATE?

According to prosecutors, Trump disguised his 2017 reimbursement checks to Cohen for the Daniels payment as retainer fees for legal services in records maintained by his New York-based family real estate company, the Trump Organization.
Each of the 34 counts stem from a check, ledger entry or invoice from Trump's reimbursement to Cohen.
It is against New York state law to make a false entry, opens new tab in a company's records. While falsification of business records on its own is a misdemeanor, it is considered a felony punishable by up to four years in prison if it is done to conceal or further other crimes.

In this case, Bragg said those other crimes include alleged election law violations and tax law violations. Federal law in 2016 capped individual contributions to campaigns at $2,700, and New York state law makes it a misdemeanor to conspire to promote a candidacy by "unlawful means."
Bragg said Trump's 11 checks to Cohen in 2017 totaled $420,000.
That included reimbursements for the Daniels payment and $50,000 for other expenses Cohen incurred while working on Trump's campaign, as well as $180,000 to account for taxes Cohen would have had to pay for falsely reporting the money as income rather than a reimbursement, according to prosecutors.
The checks also included a $60,000 bonus for Cohen's work for the Trump Organization, prosecutors said.

WHAT COULD TRUMP'S DEFENSE BE?

Trump may argue that Cohen acted on his own when paying Daniels. He may also argue that the purpose of silencing Daniels and McDougal was to spare him and his family the embarrassment of public attention to alleged extramarital affairs, not to help his campaign.
He may also try to undercut Cohen's credibility as a witness, including by pointing out that he has admitted to perjuring himself before Congress.
Cohen pleaded guilty in 2018 to federal charges of causing an unlawful campaign contribution and making an excessive campaign contribution tied to the hush money scheme. The U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan has not charged Trump, who it referred to in its charging document against Cohen as "Individual-1," with any crime.
In an interview with Reuters in December 2018, Trump said the payment to Daniels "wasn't a campaign contribution" and "there was no violation based on what we did."

HOW COULD BRAGG OVERCOME TRUMP'S ARGUMENTS?

While Cohen's perjury conviction could provide fertile ground for Trump's lawyers, Cohen has already been sentenced and served time. That could blunt any attempt by Trump to argue that Cohen is falsely implicating him to try to win a lenient sentence, a common argument criminal defendants make against cooperating witnesses.
Cohen also recorded a conversation he and Trump had about the McDougal payment. Prosecutors have said the two of them met with former AMI chief executive David Pecker to plot the "catch-and-kill" scheme. Testimony from Pecker and Cohen's recording, if played for the jury, could undermine Trump's arguments.
American Media reached a non-prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors in 2018 after admitting it worked with Trump's campaign to make the payment to McDougal.

WHAT WOULD BE THE CONSEQUENCES IF TRUMP IS CONVICTED?

Felony falsification of business records carries a maximum sentence of four years in prison. However, others convicted of that offense alone have been sentenced to less than one year. Any sentence would be determined by the judge in the case, Justice Juan Merchan, based on a range of factors.
Trump would almost certainly appeal any conviction.


https://www.reuters.com/legal/what-charges-does-trump-face-new-yorks-hush-money-case-2023-04-05/

Thanks!

I for one, am thoroughly enjoying watching the fall of the MAGA fascist movement. Trump deserves to be buried under the jail. I hope he gets what he deserves sooner rather than later.

Braver?

The only reason you don't know the answer is because you don't want to know. Keep your head in the bucket; I am sure you will learn a lot.

It doesn't take bravery to respond to perhaps the stupidest question ever. You don't want to know do you? You just wanna see if you can catch someone in a "Gotcha" moment.

Simply put, he committed campaign finance fraud. This case has been mischaracterized from the start. It's not about Hush Money. Who cares about a guy paying off his mistress so she doesn't tell his wife. I certainly don't.

That is VERY SIMPLY PUT> there is much more to it. But if you can read, you can find it by yourself. You don't need any of us to explain it to you.

Nobody can explain common sense to anyone. It’s acquired by living life above ground.