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I find it hard to believe that there are even "talks" about a long term deal after last week's poor performance from a certain someone.. 
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lol Daman...
and it was just said that its amazing how that no matter what is written............
LOL I knew what you meant man...
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Considering he has Brown I'd be surprised if Miami doesn't trade down to get more picks...Then I can see them make a play for DA.
Now THAT makes sence.
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It's not even about numbers ..... or stats ...... I can remember seeing his receivers trying to get feeling back into their hands after a 10 yard/100MPH rocket. I can remember interviews with his backs and receivers saying (in jest) that they were afraid he was gonna kill someone. Further, I can recall them saying that they had to be ready at any second because that ball came at them so fast, and so hard, that it wasn't easy to catch. Yeah .... Elways had touch ...... on the 80 yard bomb maybe ..... but that was about it. 
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Squirm??? *LOL* ... I don't need to squirm ever .... much less with someone with as small amount of football knowledge as U ... or Y-Town for that matter ... he says its not about the numbers ... well its ALWAYS ABOUT THE NUMBERS WITH HIM .. ALWAYS ... just look at his post about Elway ... he was accuratte in college and then not again until his 11th year in the NFL .. WONDER WHERE HE GOT THOSE SPECIFICS FROM??? *LOL* .... and DUH .... Elway and FAVRE for that matter are FAMOUS by their recievers saying how hard they throw ... U think thats a revalation to me??? ... your just naive enough to think it is .. your prolly all proud of yourself cause u thought u knew sumptin I didnt for a change .. *LOL* .. Elway and Favre and DA had/have ROCKETS .... DA has one also .. and WHEN NEEDED Favre and Elway USED THEM ... and even sometimes when they didn't have to they used them ... DIFFERENCE IS they also threw balls with TOUCH on them ... they didn't throw evey pass they threw on a LINE .. they didnt throw all their passes as ROPES ... they LOFTED the ball to their RB's in the flat .. thats a PART OF TOUCH ... they lofted the ball DOWNFIELD to their recievers OVER DEFENDERS where as DA whistles them by their ears or off their helmets .. thats another ASPECT OF TOUCH .. U really oughta just quit trying to talk about this with me cause the more u do the more ignorant U sound ... quit while your only way behind instead of keep getting yourself even further behind ...
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Just like your COMPARISION its another DUMB ASS comparision .. U guys are just amazing at what U try to spin into relevance .. and I could care less how u SPIN WHAT U SAY ... its a COMPARISION ..
just like I showed U why what u said about Favre was NOT ONLY DUMB ASS HELL but IRRELIVENT i will do the same thing to this pile of crap assesment of Elway and DA's first years starting ..
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John Elway was considered a great QB right? look at his first year... Dude only had 7 TDs!!!! w/ 14 INTs!!!!
Anderson his first year starting.... 28 TD's!!! 18 INTS's... I'm sorry, but in 15 games if you told me I could have that, I would take it!!!
FOR STARTERS if u wanna actually WATCH THE GAME and are CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING IT U would know that in Elway U had a VERY VERY ACCURATE QB with a TON OF TOUCH with GREAT MOBILITY .... 3 traits DA is SORELY LACKING IN ...
then lets consider OL's/Targets/Running Games and SCHEDULE ... I know that takes alot of COMPREHENSION and just like DA struggles in the touch dept. U guys struggle in the comprehension/knowledge of the game of football dept. ...
now go ahead and make fun of me and have your fun .. It's OK .. I get a good laugh out of it also .. especailly when I consider the source(s) ...
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John Elway had about as much touch as I would assume a $5 massage parlor does. You are the one who espoused his touch. I bet that if you asked his receivers, they'd still be able to show you the dents in their hands from his 5-10 yard slants.
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I find it hard to believe that there are even "talks" about a long term deal after last week's poor performance from a certain someone..
Geez Brownie,,, it's just one game,, really.. he's not as bad as that performance... not even close
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FOR STARTERS if u wanna actually WATCH THE GAME and are CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING IT U would know that in Elway U had a VERY VERY ACCURATE QB with a TON OF TOUCH with GREAT MOBILITY .... 3 traits DA is SORELY LACKING IN ...
If you are a "very very accurate QB"... shouldn't he have had less INT's?? just curious. If he had tons of touch, and then the ability to make plays outside the pocket... Why so many Int's?
He finished his NFL career with 300 TD's, and 226 INT's... I guess maybe he made bad decisions sometimes, and thats why he had so many INT's.. is that it? 
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Once again, Careful HotB... if you call him on anything, he pouts like a 12 year old.... no wait,, I apologize to all 12 year olds...
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And I will admit that Elway was more comfortable with the deep pass than the short pass ..... but that's about it. Diam, With his amazing accuracy ..... why was he picked off so frequently early in his career? It took him until his 4th year to get to a point where he threw more TDs than INTs. Why was that? With his amazing accuracy, why did he not have a single year in his 1st decade in the league where he threw less than 12 INTs? I know .... he must have been attacking downfield, right? Here's another of your favorite stats ...... his yard/attempt covering his 1st 4 years was lower than Anderson's for this year. Maybe it was his yards.completion? He did go downfield a lot, which I have been told lowers the completion %. Nah ....... that would favor DA as well. So ...... he threw shorter than DA .... for a lower % ....... for less yards ..... less TDs ...... more INTs vs his pass attempts ...... and had damn near everyone saying how we was gonna put a hole in someone with his passes ....... but he was more accurate? I must not understand your concept of accuracy. It must mean that less passes are caught when compared to those thrown ...... but the passes somehow "look" better before they hit the ground? They are a more "catchable" ball ...... even though they aren't caught? He had touch when his passes routinely threatened to de-cleat his receivers? You're wrong on this one bud. Elway learned, over time, to harness his arm, and to develop some touch that enabled him to be effective on a wider range of throws ..... but he certainly wasn't all that accurate, nor did he display touch early in his career.
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This question is not just for you but all people who feel the need to use After they say something they think is funny. Why?
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There's a difference between making good decisions and being accurate, don't you think Turk.
DA threw some terrible passes this season, i know you saw it. We all did. He also made some very iffy decisions where our recievers made big plays or when the other team made big plays.
DA can be very accurate, he can miss huge though also. It's a consistancy things. DA makes plays though, and his cannon offers us options which defenses must gameplan for.
DA also throws some gutsy balls. He's not afraid to throw an interception, he rifles it in there when there's an opening. This leads to interceptions as well.
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I find it hard to believe that there are even "talks" about a long term deal after last week's poor performance from a certain someone..
Geez Brownie,,, it's just one game,, really.. he's not as bad as that performance... not even close
The DA homerism in you is amazing. It's not one game....DA lacks in just about everything except throw power...DiamDawg has been trying to get that through you but you keep tossing it back with the one game excuse.
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pouting must means talks about ACTUAL FOOTBALL ABILITIES in your world ... you've made a real compelling argument in this thread ... showed your true genius .. ONCE AGAIN ... if someone can spot it .. please PM me and let me know ...  B ... just out of curiousity .. do u have ANY CLUE what type of team Elway played on as a rook?? ANY CLUE what so ever ... my guess is by your smug questions to me U have NO CLUE about anything regarding Elways rookie season other than his Int's/TD numbers .. but then again to guys like U and Daman SUPPORTING CAST and SCHEDULE and things like that don't really matter .. I'm done here ... I am pretty much staying out of this and am not going to get involved with the likes of U and Daman over Elway .... that sure isn't worth the time I've all ready wasted on it .. SEE YA ... HAVE A GOOD NEW YEARS ...
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I find it hard to believe that there are even "talks" about a long term deal after last week's poor performance from a certain someone..
Geez Brownie,,, it's just one game,, really.. he's not as bad as that performance... not even close
The DA homerism in you is amazing. It's not one game....DA lacks in just about everything except throw power...DiamDawg has been trying to get that through you but you keep tossing it back with the one game excuse.
It's not DA homerism.
He refuses to take a stand on anything.
He straddles the middle of the fence so just in case he's not right...at least he won't be wrong.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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The DA homerism in you is amazing. It's not one game....DA lacks in just about everything except throw power...DiamDawg has been trying to get that through you but you keep tossing it back with the one game excuse.
Now you're talkin' smack to your elders? Why if you were my kid I would hit you with a belt on the backside....
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It's not DA homerism.
He refuses to take a stand on anything.
He straddles the middle of the fence so just in case he's not right...at least he won't be wrong.
Exactly. I just find it hard to believe there are still DA supporters after last week and previous weeks.
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Now you're talkin' smack to your elders? Why if you were my kid I would hit you with a belt on the backside....
Just statin' the obvious.... 
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Sorry, just had to mention the fact that our little Brownie is growing up and being an ass like the rest of us.
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Sorry, just had to mention the fact that our little Brownie is growing up and being an ass like the rest of us.
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pouting must means talks about ACTUAL FOOTBALL ABILITIES in your world ... you've made a real compelling argument in this thread ... showed your true genius .. ONCE AGAIN ... if someone can spot it .. please PM me and let me know ...
B ... just out of curiousity .. do u have ANY CLUE what type of team Elway played on as a rook?? ANY CLUE what so ever ... my guess is by your smug questions to me U have NO CLUE about anything regarding Elways rookie season other than his Int's/TD numbers .. but then again to guys like U and Daman SUPPORTING CAST and SCHEDULE and things like that don't really matter ..
I'm done here ... I am pretty much staying out of this and am not going to get involved with the likes of U and Daman over Elway .... that sure isn't worth the time I've all ready wasted on it ..
SEE YA ... HAVE A GOOD NEW YEARS ...
I know that the Broncos, in Elways rookie year, had the 9th ranked scoring defense ....... and they forced 47 turnovers. They rushed for 1700 yards and 15 TDs. In 1984, the Broncos had the 2nd ranked scoring defense, and ran for over 2000 yards as a team. I know that he had an 1100 yard receiver in Steve Watson.
Oh wait ... those are stats ...... never mind .... not important info ...... you're right .... he played for an expansion caliber team ......
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Oh ... and a Happy New Year to you as well Diam. Hopefully the Browns can make the playoffs .... win the Super Bowl ..... and really make for some intersting personnel arguments.
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Your a good man Y-Town .. and even though we disagree on most things and couldnt agree less on this one and u use STATS WAY TO MUCH .... I like and RESPECT u .... so i will post one more time on this .. then I'm REALLY REALLY DONE .. and I'll even be respectful for a change ... Merry X-mas my friend ... *L* for starters .. I HATE STATS ... but dont' make the mistake of thinking that does'nt mean I know how to use them or understand them ... i can MANIPULATE with the best of U ....  ......and this is another example of why ... the game of OFFENSIVE FOOTBALL was a much different game back when Elway played .. MUCH DIFFERENT .... just a few of the changes ... 1. the DB's could pretty much MAUL A WR the entire play ... there was no 5 yard rule .. there was no D holding called in the secondary EVER .. I can only imagine how many more defensive penalties are called now than when Elway played .. 2.. they moved the harsh marks in ... U know how BIG THAT IS for both the running and passing game ... 3. the game has changed in that it used to be a LONG BALL league ... everything was DEEP PASSES and deep routes .. the short passing game was just coming into its own ,, DA prolly throws more short stuff than Elway did in half a year ... especially in his first 5 or 6 or 7 years in the league .. thats just the tip of the iceberg for your sacred stats ... and I can GAURANTEE U that Elway never played with recievers as good as Brey and KW and with such a GOOD PASS BLOCKING OL with a back like Lewis .. Later in his career he had something close to that and even had a much better running game but that wasn't until he was in the league for 10 or 12 years .. who were the GREAT QB'S in 83 - 87 .. and go look at their #'s .. BET THEIR NO WHERES NEAR WHAT MANNINGS OR BRADIES ARE .... NOT EVEN CLOSE ... and if u want to make STATS RELEVANT U have to take into account STATISTICAL COMPARISIONS OF THE ERAS to start the discussion and then take that into account ... I bet U see More TD passes now along with less picks .. I bet u see higher completion %'s .. I bet u see more yards thrown for today ... and i bet PASS PER ATTEMPT AND COMPLETION ARE DOWN ... wonder why that would be??? Its really IRRELEVANT to try and compare what Elway did 25 years ago to what ANY QB does today on many different levels ... OK .. now I'm done here ... don't drag me back in ... i all ready gave U your X-mas gift ...
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One last thing .... just as a response .....
You do remember that Elways threw a LOT to his RBs .... right?
And a Happy Holiday back atcha.
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I won't even mention that the team average for TD passes in 1984 was 22 ..... and last year was 20 ........ nah ....... OK .... now I'm done.
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Maybe we should talk about someone else than Elway? lol... Maybe Jim Kelly would be better. atleast he did better w/ INT's..
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The DA homerism in you is amazing. It's not one game....DA lacks in just about everything except throw power...DiamDawg has been trying to get that through you but you keep tossing it back with the one game excuse.
I admit to being a Browns Homer... no question about it.. But any particular player,, NOPE.. these guys, as a general rule aren't loyal to a team very often. They chase a buck and that leaves fans holding the bag......
I'm for anyone that is winning.. as of this moment, dispite all that you and some others see wrong with DA,, we are one win away from a 10-6 season.. something that hasn't been done here since 1994...
Dispite all the feelings by some on here that Quinn could have done just as well with this line,, (maybe he can) It still had to be accomplished.. and DA did his job.. pretty well if you look at his entire body of work this season.. but you only want to look at one game.. your comment about not understanding why they would even consider offering him a contract after that game on Sunday is exactly the kinda thinking I find insane.
So if you want to toss DA out,, fine.. but don't expect me to agree with you... it's lame and certainly more "knee jerk" than anything else.
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It's not DA homerism.
He refuses to take a stand on anything.
He straddles the middle of the fence so just in case he's not right...at least he won't be wrong.
WRONG AGAIN RISH...
I took a stand on Tim Couch,, I was wrong
I took a stand on Charlie Frye,, I was wrong
I took a stand on Butch Davis,, I was wrong
I took a stand on RAC... so far, it's looking like I may be right.
I took a stand on DA over the summer,, I was wrong
I took a stand on Phil Savage...So far, it's safe to say I'm right
I took a stand on John Collins.. I was right
I took a stand on Jeff Faine... it's a push..
I took a stand on George W. Bush.. Man,, you wanna talk about being wrong.,... there it is man..., there it is..
I took a stand on Mo Carthon.... whew,, once again, I gave him too much credit,, I was wrong
I took a stand on Kelly Holcomb.... I was right
I took a stand on Chud... So far, I believe I'm right
I took a stand on BE.. Hated when people called him Leon.. I was right
I took a stand on KW2 when others thought he should be cut.. I didn't.. I was right.
I took a stand on Adrian Peterson in the draft last year.. I was wrong,, but not really because I wanted Thomas, and that was the right move.. So in the end, I was right
I took a stand on trading back into the 1st round to get Quinn.. I have no idea if that was right or wrong.. YET! But in preseason, he certainly looked good so I softened on it..
I took a stand on signing Jamal Lewis... Man was I ever wrong.
There is a pattern developing here Rish,, I'm not afraid at all of taking a stand and not afraid to say I was wrong when it's clear that I was..
Again, if you knew what you were talking about you would be dangerous.. unfortunately for you.. you aren't dangerous at all...
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If you say so...
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I want DA back on this team next year. Without him we are pretty much back to square one at the QB position---meaning, we're tying our hopes and dreams to yet another QB prospect. Screw that, give me a guy that has already developed a chemistry with his teammates that has led to an impressive season numero uno. Give me the guy that has shown he can win games. Give me the QB that puts the ball in places that give our extraordinarily gifted receivers a chance to make a play. I'll take a guy that we have watched produce in our scheme over a guy who hasn't yet seen the field in a regular season game. And I'll take a guy who produces on the field over some unproven draft picks too. Given the choice between a couple prospects in the draft, and a QB who has brought you back into relevance; you have to take the sure deal. There is no good reason not to make a run at DA. 9 wins, no matter who they come against, is not a fluke. Man, I can't wait til next season and hopefully the end of this debate. 
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Rish.... allowly me to speak on Damanshot's behalf... when he seems to straddle the fence there is a reason.
He states what he feels, when he is wrong he admits it.
Its that simple, it's also not common. The only times I've seen him say things that are rude are the times he has been insulted.
IMO...damanshot is an easy person to win over on this message board, its simple state your opinion and back it with facts and reason, he will acknowledge he is wrong... he doesnt profess to be a football scholar but he has never been a d+++
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Remember the 1st year of the Savage regime during the season we signed Andra Davis to a 4 year extension I believe. So really, if we wanted to extend these deals, we would have. This is all just smoke and mirrors. We have to sell to people that we are content with Anderson and want him here for awhile. As for Lewis, I really like him here and think that is legit. We're just not taking care of that now to make it seem like we're focused solely on our season and really want both and not just Jamal. We play our cards right and we can get into the 1st round and that would be awesome. We need to add someone in the 1st round to our defensive front. Everything is coming together well, we're just doing the dance
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Well my 3 yr. old and 3 month old nephew (who I am sure if he could speak would all ready know more about football than some on this board .. ..} are sleeping in and so I have some unexpected time on my hands .... lucky U .... I just can't take your selective use of stats .. its IRRESPONSIBLE at best .. so we'll start with this LOAD OF CRAP and move tpo teh other load if i ever get some more free time .. Quote:
I know that the Broncos, in Elways rookie year, had the 9th ranked scoring defense ....... and they forced 47 turnovers.
Elway played D??? who knew .. *L* .. I should have been MORE SPECIFIC .. seeing as how Elway played Offense ... that would be the MORE RELEVANT group on this team ....
so WHO CARES ABOUT THE D STATS .... there only RLEEVANT IN GAME SITUATIONS witch RAW NUMBERS witch are all STATS are DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ....
so we can throw them out .. AT LEAST FOR NOW ....
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They rushed for 1700 yards and 15 TDs.
thats GREAT .. well at least until U look at what the league did that year ... the league averaged 2075 yards per team in 83 ... HIS ROOKIE YEAR since thats what were talking about here ...
that puts HIS TEAM a full 300 yards below the league average .. thats almost 10% ... THATS HUGE ....
as for Rushing TD;s ... ooooops .. here comes the 3 year old .....
I'm OUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT ....
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I'm 14, but apology accepted.
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“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
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