DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Mary Kay reports Jamal Lewis and DA to be re-signed by Brownies

Yes, that is basically what I am saying. I know for a fact that sometimes he is as innacurate as hell. But, I do see those throws where the ball is right on the money. IMO this is an issue that can be worked on. It tells me that with practice he will improve. We have all seen times where DA shows amazing accuracy and those times where he looks like Jim Sorgi. This means that if he can get his consistency down he could become one of the most accurate QB's in the game. His lack of consistency is without a doubt a weakness. The only positive I can get out of it is that he has his moments of amazing accuracy and that he can improve on his accuracy issues. It is all a matter of consitency with his footwork and form. It also seems to me that he is least accurate on the short, simple throws. So I guess you would say that he is accurate sometimes, but that is hardly a positive.

There are throws he's very good at ..but the ones in the short areas he's bad at..
Those throws that make our wideouts twist, turn , stretch out on...his completition % in the 1- 10 yard area is only 50% ...thats not great considering the small area of the field that is required to complete a pass..

Well, once again we are merely speculating. Which really, can our FO do any more than that?

All I think they, or we can do is sort out the positives and negatives, weigh their options and make a decision as how to move forward. Naturaly they have the inside scoop on practices, Quinns progress, etc... that we are not privy to.

My main concern is that the very same problems that caused him to be a later round pick in the draft, are still VERY previlant in his game. Throwing into double and triple coverage, the "on again/off again" consistancy.

While such problems are "more rare" with a good OL, they still persist. Even with good protection and a solid running game, you still see the "same old same old" to an extent. My main question is, after "three seasons in the NFL" how "much better" can he get? How much "better can his game be"?

I don't have an answer to that question, but in most cases, you will see NFL QB's either overcome their weaknesses, or get tossed to the side for someone with the physical prowess who can.

What I can say, is that "Savage knew DA". Savage also knew the talent and the weaknesses of DA. And while with a solid OL and a running game, DA didn't make the "critical mistakes as often", they are still very much a part of his game.

With knowing this, it "appears" as though that Savage knew DA would never be "enough QB to take us to the promised land". After three years in the league, being a QB since he was a kid, how "much more" do you think he'll improve? Everyone has their "ceiling". A point they reach at which point they really "don't get much better".

So I feel they will go with which ever QB they feel has "the higher ceiling". The "most potential for the long haul". Now we can "speculate" all we want. But I believe there's only "one reason" that Brady Quinn was drafted. That is because he has certain tangibles that no other QB here has/had. That his potential is far superior to anything we have/had.

IMO, you must remember "why" coaches and GM's value high draft picks so much. Because the draft is WHERE YOU BUILD YOUR TEAM!

I simply can not fathom Phil Savage drafting a QB so high with so much investment if he felt we had ANYTHING remotely close to his skill set and ceiling here already.

And I really don't feel "inconsistant consistancy" has done anything to change that. But just as I said, it's all speculation...........

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My main question is, after "three seasons in the NFL" how "much better" can he get? How much "better can his game be"?

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Yes, he's been in the league 3 years... yes, he's started 3 games last season and 15 games this season (10-8) That's 18 of a possible 48 plus any playoffs he may have missed with Baltimore..That works out to be one season and two games.

I'm completely convinced that it's just not fair to look at him like you would a 3 year STARTER...

To me that's every bit as bad as someone saying that RAC has been the HC for 3 seasons and his record sucks. (20-28) And saying it while thinking it doesn't matter what talent was on the team when he got here.

To me, neither argument makes a lick of sense... But that's just me.

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Having said that that argument doesn't mean anything to me anyway, I agree that we Don't know if DA will get better..

All we have is some history to go by., Last year when started in place of Frye, he started out looking decent then went kinda down hill..

This year, he was much better so it was an improvement.. (being fair, he had much better protection) but improvement is improvement. if he's here and starting next season, he'll still have KW, BE, hopefully JL, and that line. I think improvement is possible. But I don't know that for sure.

I agree with you. We don't know if DA will get any better. If he can improve his decision making to the point of not throwing into triple coverage and not missing on those short throws so often he can be a good starting quarterback. I tend to believe that he can improve, I just don't know if he can improve enough that we can win a Super Bowl. What makes me tend to think that DA will improve is the fact that he has shown much growth throughout the season. I do however believe that BQ is the better option. I just think that we need to hold on to DA until we KNOW that BQ is the better option.

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I just think that we need to hold on to DA until we KNOW that BQ is the better option.

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Well, these guys will beat you up if you speculate on DA being able to improve, but they can turn around and tell you that BQ is going to be a great QB w/out seeing him play in the NFL.

Here is a fact. NO ONE....AND I MEAN NO ONE..........knows how good or bad BQ will be as a QB in the NFL. It's pure speculation. And yes, I am including myself in that group.

I think that the coaches and the players know a lot more than we do. I'm going to trust their evaluation on this one. I just hope it isn't a situation like we had w/Timid....where the guy played because they had to justify his high draft status. That mistake ripped this franchise apart. I hope these guys are smarter than that. And I think they are.

Well said....I agree.

*LOL* ... U wanna talk about revisionist history, there it is at its best ...

SMELLY won the QB battle ... STUNK IT UP and then got hurt ... Timid then took over and played NO WORSE than SMELLY did ... neither of them played good but to say that it ripped the franchise apart is a JOKE ...

the team STUNK and the QB play was only a small part of it but they were nothing to write home about ...

SMELLY STUNK the year he started .... STUNK ..

and then he went on to a real GREAT CAREER ....

this is NOTHING LIKE Timid and SMELLY .... nothing at all like it .. well except that like SMELLY ... DA may be a one year wonder ...

BAD DECISIONS BY BOTCH RIPPED THAT TEAM APART .... that was 99% of the problem .. not the Smelly/Timid controversy ...

Can you read?

Is OSU playing ?

Ya I can read just fine ... here's what u said ...

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I think that the coaches and the players know a lot more than we do. I'm going to trust their evaluation on this one. I just hope it isn't a situation like we had w/Timid.... where the guy played because they had to justify his high draft status. That mistake ripped this franchise apart .

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U said ... the decision to play Timid RIPPED THE FRANCHISE APART ... I said your FULL OF CRAP for saying that ...

would U care to elaborate on HOW PLAYING TIMID based on his draft status ripped this franchise apart???

my reading skills are just fine .... how r yours doing???

LOL...if that's the part of his post that you're harping on, then you missed the whole point.

Come on, Diam, you know better than that.

What he's saying (IMO) is that he hopes the FO doesn't cast their lot with Quinn JUST BECAUSE we traded our 08 pick to jump up and get him.
Brady ain't proved jack in the NFL, diam. He probably will... but maybe not. We don't know for sure.

There are throws that DA makes that are as good as any QB in football.

Those are some of the most difficult throws on the field which makes scouts salivate.

And then there are throws that DA really struggles with that seem to defy logic. If he could find another gear (slower, crimany) on his throws he would complete a far higher percentage.

Watch tapes of Kosar. No one will ever confuse him of having a rifle arm but he could make all the throws, on time, looking off the requisite defender, with touch. DA should be forced to watch a highlight package of Kosar.

And can someone run a drill with DA where he has to get an egg to a RB in the flat without breaking it? Hell that might work.

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And can someone run a drill with DA where he has to get an egg to a RB in the flat without breaking it?

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Someone will complain if the spiral isn't tight.