Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#2073010 07/11/24 04:29 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
The MLB Draft is Sunday night at 7:00.


Cleveland has never had the MLB Number One pick.

This year there is no consensus pick. No Paul Skenes like last year.

Most analysts have these guys has the top five:

Travis Bazzana - 2B, Oregon

Charlie Condon - 3B/OF, Georgia

Chase Burns - RHP, Wake Forest

JJ Wetherholt - 2B/SS, West Virginia

Jac Caglionone - 1B/RHP, Florida


I have watched a little tape on Bazzana. Compact guy with power for a second baseman.

Condon Condon attended The Walker School in Marietta, Georgia. As a senior, he hit .432 and broke the Georgia HS all-time home-run record.

I live about ten miles from Walker School. Baseball in Cobb County and all of Georgia is ultra competitive. There have been total studs come from the state. Breaking the HR record is a big deal. Jeff Francour played close by and he was a monster high school star.

Burns will be the first selected pitcher.

Caglionone is a two way player but most likely will be a position player even though he throws 99 mph.

The Guardians need to get this right. I am sure they have put every ounce of energy they have into this.

I am super curious about the selection. Whoever it is will most likely be on a fast track to the bigs.

Last edited by bonefish; 07/11/24 04:54 PM.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Here is what I have seen and heard about the top options

Bazzana - excellent hitter but position limited - can play 2b and that is about it. Some talk about maybe trying him in the outfield. I hear the Guardians put a lot of value on performance in wood bat leagues and Bazzana tore it up in the most recent Cape Cod league. The thing I like about him most is his attitude. He supposedly has this incredible work ethic along with an enthusiasm for the game that is contagious. Down side is that we have a lot of top quality 2b in both the majors and upper minors.

Condon - tremendous power. Has some outfield experience and may be able to play RF but is pretty much a first baseman. The concerns are that there are a few holes in his swing and that his home vs road numbers were vastly different. Historically the power hitting 1b drafted at the top of the draft have floundered.

Caglionone - 1b - see comment above. Is a tremendous hitter. Many scouts like his swing better than Condon's. He is position limited to 1b. He is also listed as a pitcher. Throws hard but not a great pitcher . His success or failure will be based upon his hitting.

Wetherholt - many scouts say he has the best pure swing in this draft and was projected to go 1:1 prior to the start of the season because he was moving to short and if he proved he could place short that adds position value to a great swing. His season was somewhat derailed by a hamstring injury early in the season. This is bothersome because he had a hamstring injury late last season too.

Chase Burns - RHP - The most developed pitcher with 3 plus level pitches and a 4th adequate pitch. The issue with him is that even though his fastball frequently hits triple digits it tends to be flat. I hear that the Guardians like to draft pitchers that already have a good 3rd pitch, so I thin k he would be the #1 pitcher in the eyes of the Guardians.


One player you left off that I want to mention is Hagan Smith LHP Arkansas because he would be my choice for the #1 overall pick in the draft. He has a plus fastball that routinely is in the mid to upper 90's and occasionally hits triple digits. He also has a plus plus slider. A left hander with a funky delivery he finished his junior campaign (this season) with 161 strikeouts in 84 innings of work. That translates to 17.25 K/9 rate -- equating to nearly two batters per inning. His biggest criticism is some times he has control issues. He also had Tommy John surgery in HS but has clearly recovered. The other issue is that his his two top end pitches. To be a starter he will need to develop a 3rd and maybe a 4th at least average major league pitches. If he does I think he can be a premier starter. But even if he doesn't, with the 2 pitches he does have I think his floor is HOF closer. JMO


The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Here is an article comparing Hagan Smith with Chase Burns
(the clear top 2 pitchers)


Chase Burns vs. Hagen Smith: Which Top Pitching Prospect Will Be Drafted First?
June 19, 2024

Amid the chaos of the draft, there is one constant: College pitchers are always in demand at the top of the board.

A total of 127 of them have been drafted with top 10 overall picks since 1981, the year Baseball America launched and also the first year in which more collegians than high schoolers were drafted in the first round.

Compare that to players selected from other draft demographics with top 10 overall picks:

116 college hitters
110 high school hitters
68 high school pitchers
9 junior college or other
So it’s not a matter of if a college pitcher will be drafted early this year. It’s only a matter of when.

The two names mentioned consistently as potential top five overall picks are Arkansas lefthander Hagen Smith and Wake Forest righthander Chase Burns. Both have had fantastic college careers capped off by dominant junior seasons. Both have tantalizingly high ceilings, but how are teams drafting in the top 10 going to assess and separate the two?

HAGEN SMITH

Track Record

Smith arrived in Fayetteville in 2022 as one of the most highly-touted freshman arms in the country, and in his first season he arguably exceeded those expectations.

He took the reins of the Saturday starter role—a rare occurrence for a freshman in the Southeastern Conference—and pitched his way to a respectable 4.66 ERA with 90 strikeouts to 46 walks in 77.1 innings. That set him up for a more prominent role in 2023.

Smith’s sophomore year was an interesting one. He split time between the rotation and bullpen but took a step forward in almost every statistical category. His ERA fell by over a run to 3.64, while he struck out 109 in 71.2 innings. That performance earned him a first-team all-SEC selection, third-team All-America honors and a roster spot on USA Baseball’s Collegiate National Team.

Heading into 2024, Smith was widely regarded as one of the premier college pitchers and a potential first-round pick. Still, many in the industry were not completely sold on his ability to start. He threw strikes at a below-average rate and had yet to spend a full season in the Arkansas rotation.

Those concerns were erased by a stellar junior season in which Smith was the most dominant pitcher in college baseball. He went 9-2 with a 2.04 ERA while striking out an SEC-best 161 batters in 84 innings. That made him an easy pick as SEC pitcher of the year.

The best performance of his career came on the second weekend of the season, when he made mincemeat out of a stacked Oregon State lineup by striking out 17 across six shutout innings. Though it came back in February, it held up as perhaps the best single-game pitching performance of 2024.

Scouting Report

Smith has a workhorse frame at 6-foot-3, 225 pounds with strength and physicality throughout. He stands on the mound with his body turned towards the first base dugout and has a low-maintenance delivery with minimal moving parts.

It isn’t the most aesthetically pleasing operation, but the natural funkiness and deception he creates helps his impressive arsenal play up. Smith has a somewhat abbreviated arm stroke and attacks from a low three-quarters slot. He finishes his delivery standing almost completely upright on his right leg, but he does a great job of driving off his back leg.

Smith features a thunderous fastball that sits in the mid-to-upper 90s and routinely touches triple digits. The pitch boasts plenty of run and ride through the strike zone. It is most effective when elevated to his arm side. He has generated a whopping 44% miss rate with the offering, and his feel for it this season has taken a step forward.

The showstopper in Smith’s arsenal is his hellacious mid-80s slider. It routinely flashes long, sharp lateral movement with a bit of depth against lefthanded hitters. Smith’s advanced feel for the pitch enables him to manipulate its shape. Against righthanded hitters, he uses more of a gyro slider look with sharp, downward bite.

Smith’s slider is just as effective against opposite-hand hitters (.100 average, 62% miss rate) as it is lefthanded ones (.091, 49%). While Smith’s fastball is comfortably a plus pitch and closer to a 70 than it is a 60, his slider is a slam-dunk 70 pitch.

To round out his arsenal, Smith throws a high-80s changeup that he used less than 10% of the time this year. He lacks feel for the pitch, and it doesn’t get great separation off his heater. But Smith’s changeup shows promise as a potentially average third pitch and will flash natural fade to his arm side with a bit of late tumbling life.

CHASE BURNS

Track Record

Burns went to high school in Tennessee and pitched his first two collegiate seasons for the Volunteers. He arrived in Knoxville with plenty of buzz and was expected to make an impact right away.

Burns earned a spot in Tennessee’s weekend rotation in 2022. By the end of the year he was the Volunteers’ Friday starter. It’s easy to see why. He posted a 2.91 ERA with 103 strikeouts to just 25 walks in 80.1 innings.

Burns’ sophomore season was a tumultuous one. After struggling for the first month and a half of 2023, he shifted to the bullpen. He thrived in the role. At the end of the season, Burns had a 4.25 ERA with 114 strikeouts to 22 walks in 72 innings. While his ERA inflated by almost two runs, that was due in large part to a quartet of bad starts isolated between March and April.

After the season, Burns entered the transfer portal. Every program in the nation wanted him. He chose Wake Forest.

Burns bounced back in a huge way in the Atlantic Coast Conference this season. He went 10-1 with a 2.70 ERA and a Division I-best 191 strikeouts in 100 innings. Burns’ control remained an asset. He walked just 30 batters in 16 starts and was an easy choice as ACC pitcher of the year.

Scouting Report

At 6-foot-3, 210 pounds, Burns has a high-waisted build with thickness in his lower half. He has a high-octane, high-effort delivery in which he attacks from a high three-quarters slot with blistering arm speed. Burns generates a ton of power from his base. He sits well on his back hip, but his ability to block with his lead leg is impressive.

Burns’ calling card has always been his fastball. It sits in the upper 90s and frequently touches 100 mph. The shape of the pitch is also excellent. It averages more than 20 inches of riding life and more than 2,600 rpm.

To put that in perspective, Burns’ average fastball spin rate is nearly 300 rpm higher than the major league average. It explodes out of his hand and consistently gets over the barrel of opposing hitters. This season, it had a 37% miss rate and is a borderline 70-grade pitch.

Burns also features two distinct power breaking pitches in a high-80s slider and low-to-mid-80s curveball. He can vary the shape of his demonic, high-spin slider. At times it will take a hard left turn when approaching the plate, but at other times it will have more depth than sweep. This season Burns’ slider had an otherworldly miss rate of 66%.

One key development for Burns this season was the massive step forward he took with his curveball. He upped its usage to a career high 13% and it now grades as a bona fide plus pitch. Burns throws it with conviction and, on top of the depth it flashes, it also shows tons of sharp, downward teeth.

Burns rounds out his arsenal with a low-90s changeup. He throws it sparingly—just six percent of the time—but it is a more than serviceable fourth pitch. At times it flashes ample armside fade.

One key separator for most evaluators is that Burns has more reliever risk than Smith. The effort level in Burns’ delivery is the key reason. He goes all-out seemingly every pitch, and there are questions surrounding how that mentality will hold up over time.

But purely from the standpoint of stuff and mound presence, Burns is unmatched


https://www.baseballamerica.com/sto...PAjFbrqwm9vYA_aem_T2bs8giquB0NMKulpzAIfA


The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Good in depth scouting reports. Thanks.

These types of decisions are not easy but you love having to make them.

Every team wants pitching. However, I have reservations with taking a pitcher number one.

Pitchers are more susceptible to injury. It seems that every pitcher ends up having surgery eventually.

With the number one pick you are looking for a cornerstone player. IMO you want a position player.

There are other factors in the draft that have to do with money and slots taken.

Of course you should consider who is in your farm system.

I am sure the entire organization has this draft under a microscope.

My guess is Bazzana.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
The nice thing about Hagan Smith is that he already had Tommy john surgery and has shown that he has completely recovered.


The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
I agree that bazzana is the most likely choice.

One thing I heard about condon this morning is that in the cap code league (which requires wood bats) is that he only had 1 HR in 47 at bats. This is somewhat worrisome


The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
There are tons of numbers to crunch with analytics.

In the end though it comes down to good scouting.

The reason is you have to project skill sets to the next level of competition. Hitting is the toughest.

Defense and pitching are easier to project.

The jump from HS, college, and all the minor league levels to the majors is immense.

Pitching on the major league level is sick. Hitting in the majors is the hardest thing to do in sports IMO.

Scouting in the majors is on a level that for a layman is hard to comprehend. The pitchers get a book on hitters. They still have to execute but they have a plan.

There are a bunch of pitchers now throwing in the upper nineties and 100. The movement and spin rate is off the chart. I have great respect for good hitters because it is really hard to do.

I have read some of the reports on Bazzana. He is a young man that projects well.

If you get a guy this young and he is becomes a perennial All Star. That has a huge impact. A guy like Jose damn. You can build greatness from players like that.

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
I remember 1990 when the Braves selected Chipper Jones number one.

Todd Van Poppel was considered the best pitcher and many thought the Braves would select him.

Bobby Cox wanted Chipper. The rest is history.

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,365
F
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
F
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,365
I think it will be Bazzana, and as soon as we draft him he will never see the infield again, moving him permanently to CF/RF

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031


The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325
Originally Posted by Frenchy
I think it will be Bazzana, and as soon as we draft him he will never see the infield again, moving him permanently to CF/RF

Absolutely agree.

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
According to scouting reports he has limited arm strength.

There is a lot to like about Bazzana but he is a second baseman.

Condon has the power. He can play third but he can also play the corner outfield positions.

I could see the Guardians selecting Condon as well.

Oregon State and Georgia are closely ranked as programs so both players have faced solid competition.

I am super excited about the pick and what the players will become. Both Condon and Bazzana are deserving to be the first selection.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
I would be surprised if we went Condon.

He played in the Cape Cod league and really didn't do much. I think he hit .261 with 1 HR in 46 at bats
My understanding is that the Guardians place a ton of importance on performance in wood bat leagues

Last edited by Jester; 07/13/24 12:48 PM.

The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
The Guardians will break this down as far as possible.

Every resource available will go into this pick. There is a lot to like about Condon.

There are lots of ways to look at ball players. IMO RBI's is what it is all about. Power is important.

At the same time you don't want a .200 hitter with only power and nothing else.

Condon has more versatility. He can play three positions. He hits for power and average.

At the same time Bazzana hits for power and average. I have no idea who they like more. There are so many numbers they crunch. Chase rate. What pitches give them problems. The detail goes on and on.

I just hope who they pick becomes a star cornerstone player.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,835
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,835
Condon scouting

Quote
Charlie Condon just left Cape Cod because he is going to play with Team USA for the rest of the summer. He is coming off an incredible year at Georgia, where he hit 25 home runs and slashed .386/.484/.800 as a redshirt freshman. Watching him take batting practice was a thing of beauty. He started off hitting line drives mostly middle-away, not trying to do too much. He ramped it up to the point where he was hitting nearly half of the pitches he saw over the trees in left-center field. It’s prodigious power, but what sets him apart is his feel to hit to go along with it. He struck out less than 18% at school and has significantly improved that number to 8% in the Cape, despite using wood as opposed to metal. His 6’6”, 215 lb. frame makes it easy to tap into his power without having to sell out for it. He’s athletic for his size as well, so staying at first base should be a non-issue for him long-term. He got unlucky when I saw him, hitting two balls on the screws right at defenders but he still managed to pick up a couple of hits in the process. Condon has yet to showcase a hole in his game, which is why he’s projected to go in the first round of the 2024 draft when he first becomes eligible.

What I am finding is he played in 11 games (46 total abs). He did have 10 RBIs in those 11 games. 11 games is a super small sample.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,835
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,835
I agree Bone.

I prefer Condon on measurables, versatility, and just reading a little about him. Bazzana has a bunch of great qualities too. Both have great stories and drive to get to where they are.

Either way, I am fine with whoever they take. The Guardians are one of the best run organizations.

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Such an important pick for the franchise.

Bazzana has a lot going for him as far as work ethic, intensity etc.

Unless I was able to scout both players; I have to go along with their choice.

I could see it going either way. I do think it comes down to them.

Burns is the top pitcher and the other top five candidates are all studs. But Condon and Bazzana standout.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Yes it was only 46 at bats

Bazzanza hit .375 in 158 at bats w/6 HR
Wetherholt batted .321 in 32 w/1 HR
Condon hit .261 in 46 at bats w/1 HR
Caglionone didn't play in the Cap Cod league

Bazzana was also named the league MVP

Just giving the stats and the perception that the Cape Cod league performance is important to the Guardians
I am not advocating for any of these hitters, I like Hagen Smith LHP - he would be my pick
Though I think the Guardians would take Chase Burns over Smith

Last edited by Jester; 07/13/24 02:49 PM.

The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
One of the advantages that Condon has is that he is a right handed hitter.
The other 3 all bat left handed.


The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
I will be at peace with who they select.

I have no doubts they have done their due diligence.

Early on in the process I read that the Guardians were in love with Bazzana.


Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,248
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,248
Originally Posted by bonefish
I remember 1990 when the Braves selected Chipper Jones number one.

Todd Van Poppel was considered the best pitcher and many thought the Braves would select him.

Bobby Cox wanted Chipper. The rest is history.

Chipper was a dandy.

I saw him play the Lookouts when he was in Greenville. Greenville was the AA squad for the Braves at the time. In one game he hit a monster homer to right center. At least a 430 blast. One of the games the Braves were off so Bobby and Leo came up to watch the prospects.

As for who we draft, I tend to prefer Condon. I am good with Bazzanna...a pure hitter. I might not be keen on switching his position. Keep him in his comfort zone. Make somebody else switch. We are also deep with middle infielders. Now we can trade one.

Send him to AA for the rest of the season. He is clearly above A ball competition so don't waste time. By the time he gets in, he will have 6-7 weeks of minor league ball. Get him in the Az. fall league, then hit camp in early March.


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,835
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,835
No worries Jester, my apologies if I came off as trying to discredit you. That wasn't my intent.

I appreciate the information you are providing and value your input.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
I didn't take it that way. I just wanted to clarify my position. I know when I read others posts I interpret them differently if I feel they are providing information vs trying to argue their point/opinion.


The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
This is a good article on Condon.

https://www.cleveland.com/guardians...-guardians-draft-condon-terry-pluto.html


He seems like a can't miss prospect.

In the end I want RBI's. Condon projects to be that guy.

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325
j/c...

I'm starting to think the pick is JJ Wetherholt. Simply because he will be the cheapest to sign.

Also, think Condon is not the pick for same reason that he will be the most expensive to sign.

Hope I am wrong.

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Myself I do not care about the money and slots.

Take the best player.

Play with the money in later rounds. IMO when you have the first pick. Take the best player period.

I am ok with who they pick as long as they believe it is the best guy.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,835
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,835
Bazzana!

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325
Thrilled they didn't go the money saving route. Have to think they move Bazzana to the OF. We'll see.

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Absolutely love this pick.

If you have a second baseman that is a legit 35 HR guy. You are in great shape because it is easier to find outfielders.

Bazzana looks great. Quick inside. He can really turn on a ball. He is a complete hitter. Good speed. I have not seen his defense.


Charlie Condon, I would not have had a problem with him either.

Happy for the Guardians

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325
Do not like seeing Caglianone going to the Royals in the division. Such an intriguing player.

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,248
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,248
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Thrilled they didn't go the money saving route. Have to think they move Bazzana to the OF. We'll see.

Why move him? If we wanted an Outfielder, we should have drafted one. Move other players. Just pencil Bazzana in as the #1 2nd base prospect and soon enough to be our starter at 2nd base.


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 16,325
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Thrilled they didn't go the money saving route. Have to think they move Bazzana to the OF. We'll see.

Why move him? If we wanted an Outfielder, we should have drafted one. Move other players. Just pencil Bazzana in as the #1 2nd base prospect and soon enough to be our starter at 2nd base.

Because the Guardians have a two time Gold Glove and Platinum Glove winner playing second base right now and Bazzana's defense is his weakness.

It's possible they move Giminez to SS and work with Bazzana and keep him at second. Most reports that I have seen project him moving to the OF at the MLB level.

We'll see if they give him a chance to play second or move him to the OF right away.

They drafted him because he has one of, if not the best, overall bats in the draft.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,031
The thing I love about Bazzana is what I hear about his work ethic and contagious enthusiasm.

Though I still would have gone with either og the top 2 pitachers - Hagan Smith or Chase Burns
But that is just me. I am by no way upset with the Bazzana pick and expected it

Last edited by Jester; 07/14/24 07:50 PM.

The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Have to trust the evaluation process.

There were no Paul Skenes in this draft.

Bazzana has done everything at a super high level. He is the number one pick for many reasons.

I have only seen tape on him as a hitter. But he is considered an all around player.

Kind of an odd coincidence. My son played a ton of baseball with guys who played in the majors. East Cobb in Georgia is an Amateur baseball Mecca. It is like a private All Star team for high school players in the Southeast.

He now lives near Oregon State with his wife who is from Sidney, Australia. They are both huge Cleveland fans.

Bazzana is from Sidney and played for Oregon State.

Charlie Condon played for East Cobb.

Last edited by bonefish; 07/15/24 06:16 AM.
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Doesn't seem like there are many Guardian fans?

Maybe this is just Browns fans.

I don't live in Cleveland any more but I am excited about the Guardians and really like the team.

Getting Bazzana is a big deal. Just having the number one pick is a huge deal.

Yet very little interest from others?

Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,791
1
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
1
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,791
I’m curious, for the people that know, what would you say is the timeline like for baseball draftees. It seems like it’s a much longer development window than for other sports, would you say that’s true? How long until we see this kid in the rotation? Also, the pitcher we picked up… pitchers seem to take several years before they crack a starting lineup. Again, accurate? I sometimes think that’s why the baseball draft is way less compelling than football. You draft the guy and then he disappears into the minors for a few years. That and there’s 20 rounds.




"Team Chemistry No Match for Team Biology" (Onion Sports Headline)
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
That is a great question.

For a long time MLB teams preferred to draft high school players. Their reasoning was they could develop them in the minors. Draft a 17/18 year old and put them through the minor league system.

College players were taken later because they were older. They still needed to go through rookie ball, A, AA, AAA. They didn't face that level of competition in college.

Some pitchers were drafted because they can be on a faster track.

I remember when Bob Horner was drafted by the Braves from Arizona State. He went straight to the majors. I don't think that had been done before.

Paul Skenes will start the All Star game. He is amazing. He was a star in college. He played a year in the minors.

There is also a separate International Draft as well. Plenty of 16 year olds Latinos get signed and developed in MLB team camps in their country.

A lot depends on the player and the organization. The Braves don't hesitate to bring young guys up if they feel he can handle it. Andrew Jones from Curacao was in the majors at nineteen.

Most high school drafted players go to the minors for three years or more. College players can come up quicker if they show maturity early on because they are older.

Bazzana will be on a fast track. He is way advanced for his age. He could get called up as early as this year if he rocks the minors.

Most likely around June of next year.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,811
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,811
Sorry, had hand surgery and have this huge wrap on it. Love the Bazzanna pixk, and I knw that the Guardians ill develop a pitcher or 3 out of their draft haul.


Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,119
It is so rare to get the number one pick.

I am super excited to see Bazzana in the bigs.

He has a great eye and he is super quick. He has all the intangibles to go with gobs of talent.

I love seeing young super stars.

Prior to ACL injury I have seen a lot of Ronald Acuna. One of the most talented players I have ever seen. A true five tool dude.

He came to the bigs at twenty and hit 26 dingers and batted .293.

Last season he hit .337 41 HR's 73 stolen bases. Nobody has ever come close to that. Made me sick to my stomach when he tore his ACL this year.

I have been lucky to be involved with a lot of baseball. I have great respect for guys like Jose. It is such a hard game to be as consistent as he is.

I love watching him.

Page 1 of 2 1 2
DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Guardians number one pick

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5