Heaven forbid they let the public vote on this right? One ass hat of a guy can decide what to mandate for all public schools in the state? Pffft democracy is losing.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
He claims that both sides do the same thing. Makes a comparison that they both do the same thing. Then calls you the liar for calling him out when he keeps saying both sides are the same.
It's his usual story scrpit.
Doing the same thing in a specific instance and being the same are different things. Or maybe the "parties" doing the same BS does make them "the same."
They're both lousy. They are the same in that way.
Yes, trying to use nuance that goes over your head is "my script."
It's impossible to have a discussion with you because the voice in your head makes up both sides of the conversation and constantly revises them to benefit the side it started out wanting to win.
That seems to be your script.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Heaven forbid they let the public vote on this right? One ass hat of a guy can decide what to mandate for all public schools in the state? Pffft democracy is losing.
Democracy lost. The dumbing down of America through petty partisanship has reached its inevitable conclusion. Extremely polarized "rule" chosen by groups of idiots that sink to the lowest common denominator.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I think one of the glaring things in this project so far is how damaging this will be to those who vote conservative. Red states always seem to suffer the most with conservative policies.
I mean, this seems like the kind of plan someone would create to get rid of conservative Americans…like implementing the great replacement theory, a self fulfilling prophecy. The Bible says no one can predict the end times, so y’all decided to bring it on yourselves. I don’t get it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
They're both lousy. They are the same in that way.
Yes, trying to use nuance that goes over your head is "my script."
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But it's not nuance is it? It's a predictable script. If someone has an opinion your standard response is to claim that both sides are as bad as each other - they are not - and to claim that no one is thinking outside of political party lines and not looking outside the box or applying critical thinking. No matter the topic, no matter anything else. You look to undermine the probable with claims that an improbable alternative is not provably impossible. It's something you do time and time again.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
Project 2025 would overhaul the U.S. tax system. Here's how it could impact you. moneywatch By Aimee Picchi
Edited By Anne Marie Lee
Updated on: July 11, 2024 / 10:36 AM EDT / CBS News
According to Project 2025's website, its goal is to have "a governing agenda and the right people in place, ready to carry this agenda out on day one of the next conservative administration."
A shift to two brackets The tax proposals of Project 2025, if enacted, would likely affect every adult in the U.S. by tossing out the nation's long-standing system of multiple tax brackets, which is designed to help lower-income Americans pay a smaller share of their income in federal taxes compared with middle- or high-income workers.
Currently, there are seven tax brackets — 10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37% — with each based on income thresholds. For instance, a married couple pays 10% in federal income tax on their first $23,200 of income, and then 12% on earnings from $23,201 to $94,300, and so on. Married couples need to earn over $487,450 this year to hit the top tax rate of 37%.
Project 2025 argues that the current tax system is too complicated and expensive for taxpayers to navigate. To remedy those problems, it proposes just two tax rates: a 15% flat tax for people earning up to about $168,000, and a 30% income tax for people earning above that, according to the document. It also proposes eliminating "most deductions, credits and exclusions," although the blueprint doesn't specify which ones would go and which would stay.
"The federal income tax system is progressive, and people who make more money pay a higher marginal tax rate than people who make less money," Brendan Duke, senior director for economic policy at the left-leaning Center for American Progress, told CBS MoneyWatch. "Conservatives look at that, and they feel that that's unfair to the wealthy to ask them to pay a greater share of their income in taxes than lower income families."
The Project 2025 proposal "is a dramatic reform of how we fund our government, where we ask the wealthy to pitch in more than lower income families," he said. "This shifts taxes from the wealthy to the middle class, full stop."
The Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.
Project 2025's tax rates Millions of low- and middle-class households would likely face significantly higher taxes under the Project 2025's proposals.
He estimated that a middle-class family with two children and an annual income of $100,000 would pay $2,600 in additional federal income tax if they faced a 15% flat tax on their income due to the loss of the 10% and 12% tax brackets. If the Child Tax Credit were also eliminated, they would pay an additional $6,600 compared with today's tax system, Duke said.
By comparison, a married couple with two children and earnings of $5 million a year would enjoy a $325,000 tax cut, he estimated.
"That 15% bracket is a very big deal in terms of raising taxes on middle-class families," Duke said.
Millions of U.S. households earning less than $168,000 would likely face higher taxes with a 15% rate. Currently, the bottom half of American taxpayers, who earn less than $46,000 a year, pay an effective tax rate of 3.3% — which reflects their income taxes after deductions, tax credits and other benefits.
Among other tax and economic changes proposed by Project 2025:
Cutting the corporate tax rate to 18% from its current 21%, which was enacted in 2017's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. Prior to the TCJA, the corporate tax rate stood at 35%. Reducing the capital gains tax to 15%. Currently, high-income earners pay a tax of 20% on their capital gains. Eliminating credits for green energy projects created by the Inflation Reduction Act. Considering the introduction of a U.S. consumption tax, such as a national sales tax. Eliminating the Federal Reserve's mandate to maintain full employment in the labor market. To be sure, overhauling the tax system would require lawmakers to approve changes to the tax code, which could be difficult if either the House or Senate is controlled by the opposing party. For instance, Trump was able to get his Tax Cuts and Jobs Act passed by a Republican-led Congress, even though no Democrats voted in support of the measure.
The New York Times A Trump Ally Is Training 75 Armed Citizens. Is That a Militia? Corey Kilgannon Thu, July 11, 2024 at 1:02 PM EDT·7 min read 2.2k
Bruce Blakeman, the Nassau County executive, holds an umbrella over former President Donald Trump as Trump speaks in Massapequa Park, N.Y., March 28, 2024. (Dave Sanders/The New York Times) Bruce Blakeman, the Nassau County executive, holds an umbrella over former President Donald Trump as Trump speaks in Massapequa Park, N.Y., March 28, 2024. (Dave Sanders/The New York Times) The leader of a New York City suburb is recruiting 75 armed citizens, many of them former police officers, for a force of “special deputies” to be activated whenever he chooses.
Nassau County Executive Bruce Blakeman, a Republican who has allied himself with former President Donald Trump and thrust himself into the culture wars, posted a call in March for residents with gun permits and an interest in becoming “provisional emergency special deputy sheriffs.”
The posting called the initiative a strategy to assist in the “protection of human life and property during an emergency” such as a hurricane or blackout — and perhaps, Blakeman later added, “a riot.”
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The new force has drawn vocal opposition in this well-to-do Long Island county, which is one of the country’s safest, protected by one of the largest police departments. It has plunged Nassau into a national debate about authoritarianism in an election season that some see as a fork in the road for U.S. democracy.
Blakeman said in an interview that the program was about “providing another layer of protection” for residents. “I didn’t want to be in a situation where we had a major emergency and we needed help and people were not properly vetted or trained,” he said.
But critics have accused him of creating, with little notice or explanation, an unsanctioned militia answering only to him. They called the move especially dangerous amid heightened fears of political violence, and as Trump promulgates plans for mass deportations and quashing dissent.
Sabine Margolis, an IT program manager from Great Neck, said Blakeman was using the pretext of an emergency response team to create a “clandestine armed presence.” Her online petition called “Stop Bruce Blakeman’s Personal Nassau County Militia” has received more than 2,600 signatures, and opponents have held rallies pillorying both the program and the lack of details on training, scope of recruitment and parameters of the deputies’ duties.
Blakeman dismissed criticism that the program is politically motivated, but it has provoked a more forceful reaction than his previous provocations. He has railed against bail reform, migrants and mask mandates, has called Democrats like Gov. Kathy Hochul soft on crime and has portrayed Nassau County as besieged by lawlessness — and used neighboring New York City as a cautionary example.
But Blakeman’s opponents say that giving police powers to civilian gun owners could result in accidental shootings and is an implied threat to minorities and political enemies.
“It’s fearmongering, and it’s very damaging to people,” said Delia DeRiggi-Whitton, the Democratic minority leader of the county Legislature.
“It’s the opposite way we want to be going, a private militia with guns,” she said. “We’re trying to work on gun control, rather than promote them.”
Blakeman said he created the force so that “in an emergency, if we required them to protect infrastructure or government buildings or schools or hospitals, that would free up our police.”
Of roughly 100 applicants, about 25 have already been trained, Blakeman said, and he plans to train 50 more. His office would not provide applicants’ names but described the backgrounds of several members — a mix of retired police officials, former veterans and other emergency responders, and one bank chair.
Enrollees receive training in the law, on firearms and on the use of deadly force, Blakeman has said. Preference goes to retired police officers, military veterans and security guards.
A spokesperson said that the county pays members their $150 daily stipend from tax dollars only when they are activated for emergencies, that they use their own guns and that there is a list of permissible firearms.
Blakeman said the program was not a militia and called the gun-control argument “ridiculous.” Being armed, he said, is crucial in an emergency.
“How could you protect infrastructure if you’re not armed?” he said, adding, “What should we do? Hide under the covers?”
The issue of the new force grew particularly contentious after Blakeman acknowledged in April that the deputies could be activated to patrol chaotic demonstrations. When a WPIX reporter asked whether he could declare a political protest an emergency, he said, “if the riot was to a level where they were burning buildings.”
Asked about the comment in an interview this week, Blakeman said that protests would be left to the police. Of the special deputies program, he said, “Of course, it would not be used for political purposes.”
Neither the county sheriff nor police responded to requests for comment.
In New York, a county executive officially administers budgets and taxes, and services like roads and parks. But the job can also be a way station for higher office, and Blakeman, in office since 2022, appears regularly on Fox News and other outlets.
His championship of red-meat issues has endeared him to conservative voters in the county of 1.4 million residents. Although Democrats hold a slight edge over Republicans as registered voters there, Blakeman defeated the incumbent, Laura Curran, partly by campaigning on a promise to “restore law and order.”
In February, Blakeman made national headlines with an executive order banning transgender athletes from playing on county-owned fields unless they competed on a coed team or the one matching their birth gender. In May, a judge ruled that Blakeman lacked the authority to issue the order. The next month the Republican-controlled county Legislature voted along party lines to enact it as law.
Jay Jacobs, the Democratic Party chair for both Nassau County and New York state, accused Blakeman of using such issues to distract voters from his lack of progress on cutting property taxes and fees and fixing the property assessment system.
“This is all to solidify his extreme right-wing base,” Jacobs said. “Instead of solving the county’s problems, he’s appealing to the right wing by speaking the language they like: militia, guns, law and order.”
“There is no problem he is looking to solve,” Jacobs added. “Does he think we’re going to be invaded by Suffolk County?”
Critics say Blakeman’s plan reflects intimations of violence by Trump and his allies. Trump has said that shoplifters should be shot; suggested that his supporters might commit violence if the Supreme Court ruled against him; and refused to rule out political violence if he were to lose in November. He plans to deputize local law enforcement officers to carry out mass deportations of migrants.
DeRiggi-Whitton said in an interview that she had heard from Jewish residents who likened Blakeman’s initiative to the rise of Nazi forces under Hitler. One person referenced the Brownshirts, a paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party formed in the 1920s.
When DeRiggi-Whitton told reporters this in April, Blakeman, who is Jewish, called the comparison offensive and demanded her resignation.
His plan has supporters, including Jennifer O’Sullivan, 51, a Republican voter who said the deputies could have helped, for instance, when houses were robbed after being evacuated for Hurricane Sandy.
“The county just wants to be prepared, and they’re not just rounding up anyone,” she said. “People with full carry permits are extremely law-abiding. They have to have a clean record and referrals regarding their character.”
Blakeman said a similar special deputy program exists in Westchester County, which is led by a Democratic county executive.
But Westchester’s chief operating officer, Joan McDonald, said that Westchester’s force, which provides support for parade and festivals, operates under a measure enacted by the state Legislature decades ago specifically for the county.
Members receive 178 hours of training, including 67 hours on firearms, in accordance with state standards for peace officers, she said. Most importantly, she said, its deputies answer to the county’s Department of Public Safety.
In a recent letter to Nassau lawmakers, McDonald wrote, “Westchester has not created a private militia, as County Executive Bruce Blakeman has done.”
Blakeman said his critics are assailing — and exaggerating — a program that will make the county safer.
“It’s a database and it’s nothing more than that,” he said. “People are trying to make it more than it is.”
Swish, google Project 2025 PDF. Snag that and upload it to chatGPT or Claude sonnet 3.5 and ask anything you want to know. It’s disgustingly similar to a more fascist hand maid’s tale. This can never be allowed to become reality.
BOMBSHELL AUDIO: Project 2025 Leader Admits Trump Lying About Not Being Involved with Plan This is a bombshell new audio recording Aaron Parnas18 hours ago In a bombshell new audio recording just released, the leader of Project 2025, Kevin Roberts, claims that Donald Trump is purposefully lying to the American public by asserting that he does not know who is behind Project 2025. In the audio recording, Roberts claims that Trump is "making a political tactical decision" by running away publicly from the goals of Project 2025.
Listen to the audio yourself:
Kevin Roberts made similar remarks on the Will Cain show, asserting that Donald Trump is the "standard bearer" for the Heritage Foundation and that "if you're running for president and you're trying to win . . . then it makes sense you would want to pivot from that. There are no hard feelings from us at Project 2025 . . ."
They're both lousy. They are the same in that way.
Yes, trying to use nuance that goes over your head is "my script."
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But it's not nuance is it? It's a predictable script. If someone has an opinion your standard response is to claim that both sides are as bad as each other - they are not - and to claim that no one is thinking outside of political party lines and not looking outside the box or applying critical thinking. No matter the topic, no matter anything else. You look to undermine the probable with claims that an improbable alternative is not provably impossible. It's something you do time and time again.
It's nuance that goes over your head apparently. Or you pretend not to understand.
Making up an argument no one made is something that you and Pit and others do repeatedly. No one says they are as bad as each other. They are both bad. They aren't equally bad. They are bad in different areas and amplitudes within those (sometimes overlapping) areas, but both parties exist in a region of "bad" well outside of a reasonable threshold of acceptibility to anyone that doesn't get hung up on the idea of "these are the only choices." "Better" bad isn't good enough for me. Bad shouldn't be good enough for anyone.
They are the only choices because people constantly accept (and then make) bad choices. If one accepts bad choices, one will keep getting bad choices given to them.
I claim no one on these boards seem to think outside of political party lines because no one in these threads seems to think outside party lines. We haven't had any substantive discussions about who a good candidate might actually be. How many Republicans/Democrats are crazy threads have there been? How much throwing around Goper and libtard is there?
Yes, I throw out "improbable" ideas, because things will never change if no one tries to change them. People accepting garbage makes the spread of that garbage inevitable. Why are things so messed up in our country? Because people accept BS as the way things are and are too busy complaining about the other to actually try to do something productive. Everyone seems to make excuses of "my bad isn't as bad as their bad" instead of just trying to find some good.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I claim no one on these boards seem to think outside of political party lines because no one in these threads seems to think outside party lines. We haven't had any substantive discussions about who a good candidate might actually be. How many Republicans/Democrats are crazy threads have there been? How much throwing around Goper and libtard is there?
That's why so many of us agreed that we would vote for Kinzinger if he ran on a third party ticket. Because only you in your wisdom have the ability to think outside the box. Either you haven't been paying attention or you're just slinging more BS.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I claim no one on these boards seem to think outside of political party lines because no one in these threads seems to think outside party lines. We haven't had any substantive discussions about who a good candidate might actually be. How many Republicans/Democrats are crazy threads have there been? How much throwing around Goper and libtard is there?
That's why so many of us agreed that we would vote for Kinzinger if he ran on a third party ticket. Because only you in your wisdom have the ability to think outside the box. Either you haven't been paying attention or you're just slinging more BS.
Yes, one day out of the past 8 years after Biden's faceplanting on live TV you've finally admitted there is a problem.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
There's always been a problem with both of them. I've always said we are n a sad situation where we're left with choosing between the lesser of two evils. You must have forgotten that's one thing we've agreed on all along. The only real difference between us has been you think there is some magical way a third party candidate can rise from nowhere given the time frame remaining and have a legitimate shot to win the 2024 presidential election. How short your memory can be.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
There's always been a problem with both of them. I've always said we are n a sad situation where we're left with choosing between the lesser of two evils. You must have forgotten that's one thing we've agreed on all along. The only real difference between us has been you think there is some magical way a third party candidate can rise from nowhere given the time frame remaining and have a legitimate shot to win the 2024 presidential election. How short your memory can be.
Yes, there has been a problem all along. You were just always willing to pick one anyways, along party lines.
Trying to convince people not vote for problem candidates shouldn't be seen as magic. Common sense is apparently magic to you. Stop saying you'll vote for bad candidates. Other people might realize voting for a bad candidate to avoid a bad candidate is still voting for a bad candidate.
Should I vote for Lust or Sloth? It's a question that is best answered with neither. You are/were part of the problem by "normalizing" picking a bad candidate. If you get people to accept that something's the only option, it becomes the only option. But it's not the only option because it is actually the only option. It becomes the only option when people accept that false narrative. Spreading that narrative leads to it becoming reality. Yet, it's still not reality. It only becomes reality if people continue to accept the widespread narrative.
People being able to see beyond the BS narratives they are told doesn't seem to happen much. It never seems to happen when it's a voice in one's own head telling the story.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
No that's your strawman argument that you have constructed to continue to pedal your contrarian "I'm the only one seeing the big picture" narrative.
Pit and others including myself have never suggested or indicated it has anything to do with party lines. Biden and Trump are not equally bad. One choice in is very clearly a better choice than the other even if they are both terrible choices... and at this moment they are the ONLY choices no matter how you want to spin it. That's the point you endlessly try to avoid. And while I hold one opinion and believe a decrepit Biden is significantly better than a narcistic wanna-be King who has a long history of causing chaos and his former inner circle all saying he is unfit to be POTUS .... others may feel Trump is the better choice which is someone/everyone's right to choose. But that IS the choice.
The choice isn't between Sloth or Lust. If you wanted an analogy it's a choice between cutting your thumb off or your whole hand. One choice is different and better than the other. Period. And it has nothing to do with letters after their name or anything else to do with Party or organization. But as it is - your choice come November is Biden or Trump. Period. Pick one or don't vote that's your choice - but stop telling everyone else they are voting along party lines.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
No that's your strawman argument that you have constructed to continue to pedal your contrarian "I'm the only one seeing the big picture" narrative.
Pit and others including myself have never suggested or indicated it has anything to do with party lines. Biden and Trump are not equally bad. One choice in is very clearly a better choice than the other even if they are both terrible choices... and at this moment they are the ONLY choices no matter how you want to spin it. That's the point you endlessly try to avoid. And while I hold one opinion and believe a decrepit Biden is significantly better than a narcistic wanna-be King who has a long history of causing chaos and his former inner circle all saying he is unfit to be POTUS .... others may feel Trump is the better choice which is someone/everyone's right to choose. But that IS the choice.
The choice isn't between Sloth or Lust. If you wanted an analogy it's a choice between cutting your thumb off or your whole hand. One choice is different and better than the other. Period. And it has nothing to do with letters after their name or anything else to do with Party or organization. But as it is - your choice come November is Biden or Trump. Period. Pick one or don't vote that's your choice - but stop telling everyone else they are voting along party lines.
Erroneously ascribing possibility only to the two parties' choices seems rather partisan.
No, it's not the only two options. That's the false narrative the parties want spread that you and the majority of the sheeple keep spreading.
43% of Americans identify as independent. (link)Only 27% (each) identify as Democrat or Republican. Yet, this lousy narrative that only the candidates of those parties can win continues to persist.
Fine, the best choice you are giving yourself is cutting off your thumb. Why the hell would any rational being willingly make that choice? That's definitely not the finger I'm "giving" both parties.
I'm going to willingly cut off a vital piece of myself because they say that's the only option? Do you even see how crazy that sounds?
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Yes, there has been a problem all along. You were just always willing to pick one anyways, along party lines.
There are only two parties to choose from that are running a candidate that can win.
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Trying to convince people not vote for problem candidates shouldn't be seen as magic. Common sense is apparently magic to you. Stop saying you'll vote for bad candidates. Other people might realize voting for a bad candidate to avoid a bad candidate is still voting for a bad candidate.
And some may realize that one isn't as bad as the other.
The rest of your post is simply white noise because that has nothing to do with the comment you made above. Now even you are admitting it was false......
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Yes, one day out of the past 8 years after Biden's faceplanting on live TV you've finally admitted there is a problem.
I've seen a problem with Biden all along and you know that. Now you're trying to shift the discussion into something else.
If you wish to help make trump president again, by all means follow the course you're on. I'm not willing to help him.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Yes, there has been a problem all along. You were just always willing to pick one anyways, along party lines.
There are only two parties to choose from that are running a candidate that can win.
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Trying to convince people not vote for problem candidates shouldn't be seen as magic. Common sense is apparently magic to you. Stop saying you'll vote for bad candidates. Other people might realize voting for a bad candidate to avoid a bad candidate is still voting for a bad candidate.
And some may realize that one isn't as bad as the other.
The rest of your post is simply white noise because that has nothing to do with the comment you made above. Now even you are admitting it was false......
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Yes, one day out of the past 8 years after Biden's faceplanting on live TV you've finally admitted there is a problem.
I've seen a problem with Biden all along and you know that. Now you're trying to shift the discussion into something else.
If you wish to help make trump president again, by all means follow the course you're on. I'm not willing to help him.
The problem is that you are helping Trump. You're promoting what might be the weakest opponent in US political history against what you and others call the greatest threat ever to democracy.
Promoting an oft incompetent Biden (like many elderly individuals he has both good times and bad, but it seems more and more bad) only increases support for people like Trump when framed as a two options issue. People don't like Trump the person, but at least one can tell that he's not comatose. Presenting those two as the only options helps Trump more than it does Biden.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Yes, one day out of the past 8 years after Biden's faceplanting on live TV you've finally admitted there is a problem.
I didn't frame it into a two option issue. There are only two men running that have a legitimate shot at being elected. If a legitimate third party candidate were in this race without being some major extremist, I would most likely cast me vote for that candidate. But that's not the case.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Erroneously ascribing possibility only to the two parties' choices seems rather partisan.
Funny. You (and another poster) just made jokes about another poster's mental condition ... and here you are saying that in the real world there is a real possibility that a different candidate (D or R) can win the 2024 vote to be POTUS. I think you might want to look in the mirror.
The rest of what you wrote is pure nonsense. And after YOU introduced a poor analogy of having two choices between Sloth and Lust - don't go twisting things to tell me my more correct analogy where once choice is clearly better than the other choice is crazy or my invention. No one is saying that IS the choice. It's an ANALOGY - one I provided because YOUR analogy was not reflective of the situation ... hard to believe what a twisted, insincere piece of manipulation you tried there. But then maybe not when we see the other crap you spew.
Carry on being a legend in your own mind ... I'm done talking to your clown-show self.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Erroneously ascribing possibility only to the two parties' choices seems rather partisan.
Funny. You (and another poster) just made jokes about another poster's mental condition ... and here you are saying that in the real world there is a real possibility that a different candidate (D or R) can win the 2024 vote to be POTUS. I think you might want to look in the mirror.
The rest of what you wrote is pure nonsense. And after YOU introduced a poor analogy of having two choices between Sloth and Lust - don't go twisting things to tell me my more correct analogy where once choice is clearly better than the other choice is crazy or my invention. No one is saying that IS the choice. It's an ANALOGY - one I provided because YOUR analogy was not reflective of the situation ... hard to believe what a twisted, insincere piece of manipulation you tried there. But then maybe not when we see the other crap you spew.
Carry on being a legend in your own mind ... I'm done talking to your clown-show self.
What joke was made? I only made sad statements.
You're still thinking partisan. I'm not saying anything about D or R. I don't care D or R. I'd just like not bad. D, R, Independent, vegetable, mineral, alien-- it doesn't really matter how people choose to label the person.
I presented a choice between two bad things. I said picking between two bad choices is a dumb thing to make choices between. That was as far as my "analogy" went. Your "more correct" analogy would seem to lead to a worse outcome than mine, so I don't really see the point you are trying to make. I'd just like an option that didn't feel like willingly choosing to chop off a body part.
Being "happy" (content/willing/accepting/whatever) with picking between options that "more correctly" feel like losing limbs seems like more nonsense than wanting a different option to me.
Again, with the name calling and running away because you know your argument is nonsense. Typical.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
And in the mean time while you're waiting for someone better to come along, one of these two will win. I highly approve of the lofty goals you support, but some of us are having to face the reality we currently have. Those are two different things.
You keep pretending that you're the only one who wants a different and better option. That is patently false. That has been pointed out to you quite often by different posters including myself.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
And in the mean time while you're waiting for someone better to come along, one of these two will win. I highly approve of the lofty goals you support, but some of us are having to face the reality we currently have. Those are two different things.
You keep pretending that you're the only one who wants a different and better option. That is patently false. That has been pointed out to you quite often by different posters including myself.
You're never going to get a better option if you keep voting for bad options. If people said, "no, I'm not voting for either of these bad options" instead of saying "I'll pick the 'lesser evil,'" those in power might have to actually give halfway decent options. I know it's difficult to understand that making bad choices because those in power tell you you have to is easy and too many people do it. It doesn't mean it has to be that way. People saying it has to be that way, and it's "too late" and all the other lame excuses for accepting this garbage are a gigantic part of the problem. You are a part of the problem.
Sadly, as mgh says, people are willing to cut off their own fingers if the talking heads say the other option is chopping off the whole hand. Unfortunately, when the rot has metastasized through the whole political apparatus of both major parties it doesn't matter how much you chop off if you're still leaving all the other existing rot to spread.
I'm not pretending I'm the only one. Those like you that claim to want better, but are going to pick bad anyways, are just performing acts that ensure that we don't get better.
"I want better, so I'm going to pick bad." That's the logic of the course of action you say you are taking. How does that make any sense? Your "reality" is only "reality" if people like you continue to facilitate it and choose not to try to do anything about it. Good job, you're making a lousy president reality by supporting this nonsense. Smdh.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
You're never going to get a better option if you keep voting for bad options. If people said, "no, I'm not voting for either of these bad options" instead of saying "I'll pick the 'lesser evil,'"
Yes, now all you have to do is convince millions upon millions of people of that. I mean it seems your theory is "What if we had an election and nobody voted?" Great in theory yet nothing based in reality.
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Sadly, as mgh says, people are willing to cut off their own fingers if the talking heads say the other option is chopping off the whole hand. Unfortunately, when the rot has metastasized through the whole political apparatus of both major parties it doesn't matter how much you chop off if you're still leaving all the other existing rot to spread.
Once again, in a perfect world yes. But look around you.
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I'm not pretending I'm the only one. Those like you that claim to want better, but are going to pick bad anyways, are just performing acts that ensure that we don't get better.
I've done nothing to insure that there can't be a third party to come along and offer us all a better option.
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"I want better, so I'm going to pick bad." That's the logic of the course of action you say you are taking. How does that make any sense? Your "reality" is only "reality" if people like you continue to facilitate it and choose not to try to do anything about it. Good job, you're making a lousy president reality by supporting this nonsense. Smdh.
Yes, it is people like me that created this political process. It's people like me that have created a situation where nobody will rise up and give us a third option. You see, plenty of people like me see there is a stark difference between these two candidates. Neither good but at the same time not comparable. Plenty of people like me understand what the results may be if we don't vote in this election.
While you on the other hand say don't do anything? Don't show up and vote? Vote for someone who has no chance of being elected? For me there is a stark contrast here and the stakes are too high in this election to do nothing. If you think differently then so be it.
I too am somewhat of an idealist. But I try to discern the difference in my idealism and reality.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
You're never going to get a better option if you keep voting for bad options. If people said, "no, I'm not voting for either of these bad options" instead of saying "I'll pick the 'lesser evil,'"
Yes, now all you have to do is convince millions upon millions of people of that. I mean it seems your theory is "What if we had an election and nobody voted?" Great in theory yet nothing based in reality.
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Sadly, as mgh says, people are willing to cut off their own fingers if the talking heads say the other option is chopping off the whole hand. Unfortunately, when the rot has metastasized through the whole political apparatus of both major parties it doesn't matter how much you chop off if you're still leaving all the other existing rot to spread.
Once again, in a perfect world yes. But look around you.
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I'm not pretending I'm the only one. Those like you that claim to want better, but are going to pick bad anyways, are just performing acts that ensure that we don't get better.
I've done nothing to insure that there can't be a third party to come along and offer us all a better option.
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"I want better, so I'm going to pick bad." That's the logic of the course of action you say you are taking. How does that make any sense? Your "reality" is only "reality" if people like you continue to facilitate it and choose not to try to do anything about it. Good job, you're making a lousy president reality by supporting this nonsense. Smdh.
Yes, it is people like me that created this political process. It's people like me that have created a situation where nobody will rise up and give us a third option. You see, plenty of people like me see there is a stark difference between these two candidates. Neither good but at the same time not comparable. Plenty of people like me understand what the results may be if we don't vote in this election.
While you on the other hand say don't do anything? Don't show up and vote? Vote for someone who has no chance of being elected? For me there is a stark contrast here and the stakes are too high in this election to do nothing. If you think differently then so be it.
I too am somewhat of an idealist. But I try to discern the difference in my idealism and reality.
You're not being a realist, you're being defeatist and making excuses so you don't feel bad about contributing to the problem. Doing nothing other than "wanting better" is all it takes for this travesty to continue. "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." You seem to be the epitome of this do nothing but spew excuses as a bad outcome enabler. Actually, You literally have said you are actively going to vote for a bad candidate, so maybe you're unwittingly part of the "evil."
No one said anything about change being easy. Yet, if "everyone" (the voting majority) continues to pick options they consider bad, there is no incentive for those presenting the options to give better options. Change is hard. That doesn't mean it's impossible or not worth doing.
I'm more worried about the results if people like you do vote than if they don't. People who think they're part of the answer when they're part of the problem. Picking a "bad guy" is picking a "bad guy." Picking a "bad guy" isn't okay no matter what your excuse is.
BS media driven scare tactics have convinced you that picking a dud is the best you can do. It's sad and depressing that millions of people can't see the idiocy of making a bad choice to avoid a bad choice. Choosing a bad outcome on purpose like this is some Nazi I was just following orders type logic. "They said I had to pick something bad, so I did. I know it's bad but I did it anyway. That's the way it works. That's reality."
It blows my mind that so many people are so brainwashed that they somehow see picking something they say is bad as a necessity. You think you're "good," but you constantly make and support bad actions (thinking they're "for good reasons.") As they say, the road to hell is paved in good intentions. This country's outlook is appearing rather hellacious.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Then pray tell what other than not being part of the election process at all do you believe I can do to create a third party, legitimate candidate? And can you explain precisely what I'm doing to prevent that?
If you can't see any difference between these two candidates I can't help you. Many men have fought and died for my right to vote. I will not dishonor their sacrifice by refusing to vote because it bothers some guy on the internet. When someone gives me a better option I will be glad to take it. Meanwhile all you are dong is say to do nothing. Don't vote until I get exactly what I want. Like that is somehow a better option.
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