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LOL That right there is quite the admission.

j/c...

They were only four days behind me.

And the windows were open.

Yet they didn't:

Hear the shooter on the roof.
See the shooter on the roof for twenty minutes.
Hear anybody below yelling "there's a guy on the roof with a gun".


If you tried not to see him, you still would.

Anybody have any plausible answers? Anything?

They were watching The View?

^ "A story in five words" ^

I don't doubt that since trump is a known sexual predator. His disdain of women has been made pretty clear.

Misinformation and conspiracy theories swirl in wake of Trump assassination attempt

As Americans tried to piece together what happened at the Pennsylvania rally where a 20-year-old attempted to assassinate former President Donald Trump, social media users falsely identified the shooter and sparred over whether the assassination attempt was staged by the right or the left.

The posts sparked confusion and vitriol even as legitimate details about the events emerged.

The FBI confirmed that Thomas Matthew Crooks, of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, shot at Trump from a nearby building's roof with an AR-style rifle that had been legally purchased by his father.

Secret Service members shot and killed Crooks almost immediately after he fired several rounds. The FBI said that it appears he acted alone, but cautioned it is early in the investigation. A bullet grazed Trump's ear, and one rally attendee was killed and two others were wounded.

The flurry of false information swirling online underscores the need for news consumers and social media users to consider multiple reliable sources when reading and re-sharing information.

"It's a combustible moment," Nora Benavidez, a misinformation expert and free speech attorney, told CBS News. "This weekend really gave us a glimpse into the kinds of manipulated tactics and campaigns we need to prepare for in the coming months ahead of November."
False claims that the assassination attempt was ordered by President Biden or other members of the "deep state" were shared on social media

Rep. Mike Collins (R-GA) posted from his personal X account that "Joe Biden sent the orders." Collins pointed to a quote from the president in which Mr. Biden said that he was done talking about the debate, and "it's time to put Trump in a bullseye." The quote, taken out of context, occurred during a private call with donors where the president urged them to focus their attention away from the debate and towards Trump.

There is no evidence that Mr. Biden was involved in the assassination attempt.

Saturday evening, Mr. Biden said he was "sincerely grateful" that Trump was recovering. On Sunday, he ordered an independent review of the events of the rally.

"There's no place in America for this kind of violence," the president said. "It's sick. It's sick. That's one of the reasons why we have to unite this country. You cannot allow for this to be happening. We cannot be like this. We cannot condone this."

But in X posts racking up hundreds of thousands of views, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones pushed the unfounded claim that the attack was a "deep state" assassination attempt and a "failed coup." The conspiracy theory was amplified in Proud Boys channels, according to a review from Advance Democracy, a nonprofit research group run by a former Senate investigator. Many posters shared messages baselessly alleging that a proposed Democratic bill to strip Secret Service protection from convicted felons, which would have included Trump, was evidence that the assassination was planned.
Anonymous users and out-of-context photos fuel false claims that the Secret Service intentionally allowed the shooting or withheld protection

An anonymous user on the forum 4chan, known for trolls and misinformation, claimed to be a Secret Service countersniper and wrote that he was given orders by the head of the Secret Service not to shoot at the would-be assassin. The claim, with no evidence, then circulated to more mainstream forums.

The Secret Service's sniper teams did shoot and kill the gunman moments after he fired.

Some blamed a diversity, equity and inclusion effort announced by the Secret Service for what they saw as inadequate protection. Videos and photos were taken out of context to purportedly show the female agents were incompetent. A photo of a female Secret Service agent behind Trump was used to claim she chose to "cower behind" the former president instead of taking the bullet for him, but verified photos and video footage show the agent was part of a group surrounding Trump as he was ushered offstage.

Users alleged without evidence on X that Secret Service resources were diverted from Trump's rally to protect first lady Jill Biden at a campaign event in Pittsburgh — a claim that Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi denied, saying, "protection models don't work that way."

Guglielmi said Trump was actually given additional protective resources "as part of the increased travel tempo," and said any suggestion that resources were refused was "absolutely false." The agency later acknowledged that in certain instances, some security modifications for Trump "were not provided." But Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle testified at a congressional hearing on July 22 that "the assets that were requested for that day [July 13] were given."

Elon Musk wrote on his own platform X that "extreme incompetence" or "deliberate" action by the Secret Service enabled the shooter to get on the roof where he fired his gun at Trump, in a post viewed over 90 million times.

Both high-engagement right wing accounts and individual users have directly pointed to the assassination attempt to justify the baseless theory that the Secret Service is part of a conspiracy to get rid of the former president. The online attacks are similar to those leveled against the Department of Justice, the FBI and the CDC in insinuating that they have been co-opted by dangerous elites and can no longer be trusted.
Posts baselessly claim the shooting was staged to benefit Trump politically

As Secret Service members rushed a bleeding Trump off the stage, he paused to pump his fist in the air. An altered version of a widely-shared photo of Trump in this position shows him smiling, as social media users claimed that the event was staged. Other altered photos showed Secret Service members smiling.

Even without digitally altered photos, conspiracy theorists concocted evidence, pointing to an incident in November 2016 when Trump was rushed off the stage at a campaign rally to claim there was a lack of urgency during Saturday's attack. The Russian English-language publication Sputnik International amplified similar claims, writing that the Secret Service was "suspiciously slow."

The theories rose beyond internet trolls. A top political adviser to Democratic donor and LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman wrote in an email to journalists that the shooting was "encouraged and maybe even staged." He later apologized for the comments.
Photos misidentify the alleged shooter

In the immediate aftermath of the attack, social media users — including former Trump consultant and notorious "dirty trickster" Roger Stone — claimed the shooter was a Pittsburgh man who previously pled guilty to charges after an altercation with police in an anti-Trump protest.

Others blamed a man they characterized as an "Antifa extremist" and shared a photo of an Italian sports journalist who was actually in Rome when the attack occurred. The journalist posted on Instagram that he was woken up in the middle of the night from social media notifications, writing in Italian that the claims were "organized by a group of haters that have been trying to ruin my life since 2018, with stakeouts at my house, photos of my intercom and door." He said that legal action against them is ongoing, and he plans to file a new complaint.
Misinformation fills the void

Cybersecurity expert Chris Krebs said that in the "gray space" of unanswered questions, misinformation is likely to fill the information void.

"It's incumbent upon everyone, including social media platforms, to act responsibly and step in as appropriate in line with terms of service to ensure that this does not spin further out of control," Krebs told Margaret Brennan on "Face the Nation." "We need to lower the temperature and think a little bit more about the moment we are in."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-shooting-misinformation-conspiracy-theories/

America has gone cra cra.

I agree with that.We should all be patient.Dir.Cheedle is getting to bottom of what happened and she will inform all of us,right after she meets her DEI quota.

Cheatle is no longer the SS director. Try to keep up.

i know,the poor gal got Bidened.
In the democrat's world being bad at your job is not grounds for firing.Apparently,embarrassing the party is.

You poor soul. Both republicans and democrats wanted her gone. The only actual bipartisan thing I've seen both sides agree on in quite a while and some partisan dipstick comes along and tries to make it political. I think you're running a quart low.

Hmmm... finally an 'answer' to the question I asked nearly two weeks ago. The answer is in the form of a question though. While, once again, blaming local authorities.

There is no way in hell there could have been a team posted there that did not see the shooter for 45 minutes... unless they were sleeping, or, well, you know.

And what do you mean by "well, you know"?

And the Tweet won't show up. Embedded the way I always do, double-checked and edited... but I'll act surprised. It's the only one I could find on X that shows the actual video from today's testimony.

Anyway. Acting SS director Ronald L. Rowe, Jr. went off on the "locals" and showed a birds-eye view of what they would have seen looking out of the window of the second floor. Clear view, as I predicted.

Of course, there aren't any answers because the FBI has yet to interview any of local law enforcement (I'm sure they'll get to it by early 2025).

And what did you mean by "well, you know"?

Is that really a question you need to have answered?

Since you left it open ended with no explanation, yes, that would be helpful.

……the assassin was planted and protected by the secret service and the FBI directed from the Biden campaign. There I said it for him.

I was pretty sure he wasn't going to address it. Just drop some innuendo and walk away.

Yeah. That's what I meant.

We have no idea what you meant.

lol so…we can make up what we want since you dropped the innuendo and won’t answer what you meant by it. Silly Goper’s.

I wasn't going to address it because then it becomes the talking point. Rather than discuss the actual news, post, issue, we'll go back and forth with you trolling me as a conspiracy theorist.

"Well, you know" means shenanigans, pure and simple, It means something is amiss. It means someone conveniently neglected to do their job -- their one job. Check that, an entire team neglected to do their job. We have no idea what "team" means, because nearly three weeks later, we still have no answers to these questions.

And they failed to do it for 45 minutes. It would be like if you walked into a restaurant and the hostess just stared at you... for 45 minutes. There are no suitable excuses, and thus far, no explanation. Whoever this "team" is, is nameless, faceless, has provided no comment and has not yet been sought for an interview.

Now I'll ask you. Does any of that make any sense?

I thought the "team" he's referring to in this case is the local folks assigned to watch that roof from the perspective he illustrated. He's pointing the finger.

It makes sense that you didn’t want to address it but not for the reasons you gave. Innuendoes start conspiracy theories that Goper’s love so much, and you know it.

Let's be fair here. All of the explanations we have are equally ridiculous. It's either a conspiracy or record-setting incompetence.

There's a huge difference in being totally incompetent and "someone conveniently neglected to do their job". One of those most certainly hints at intent. And that's exactly the direction I felt you were leaning in.

Thanks for the response.

Listen, Wobbler, I see your posts when you quote somebody, and only then. You're the first person I ever put on ignore here, and that was probably during the Obama administration. You lack both the intellectual honesty and emotionally maturity to even participate in 90% of the conversations here. In case you never noticed, that's why essentially nobody (besides the usual 3-4) even responds to your gibberish. Take your "GOPers" and your "pfffft Trump" and go back to the sideline when adults are talking.

Yeah when all else fails, insult the poster who called you out. Pathetic.

Yes, he's definitely pointing the finger.

As testimony goes on, we learn that there are two, two person teams. Standard protocol is one spotter and one shooter. My contention is that you would have to be blind to not see the shooter on the roof. Then the acting director addresses a "rumor" that they may have left their post. What does he know about that after 17 days? Nothing.

So. SS defers on handling the only clear threat and defers to local teams. Has no idea what their plans or protocols are. Have no means of communicating with them. Have no idea what happened, what they were watching or if they were even there at the watch... 17 days later.

Do you mean the very same people that never respond to everything the GOP does and says?

... hence my post after the one you quoted.

I agree with you.

Do you agree or disagree with this?

There's a huge difference in being totally incompetent and "someone conveniently neglected to do their job". One of those most certainly hints at intent. And that's exactly the direction I felt you were leaning in.

Dude, I don't know if I'm leaning that way or not yet. Would you find fault with that if I were? This crap would be believable if it were an episode of Scooby Doo, unfortunately it's real life. There isn't a smoking gun (terrible pun) but that stack of bs keeps getting higher and higher.

To clarify one point. In no way, shape or form do I think this is a widespread plot. It doesn't need to be. If resources are constantly being denied; if security is lax and everyone knows it; if there are constantly vulnerabilities and everyone knows it; if communication with local teams is similar to a string and two dixie cups... eventually something is going to happen.

The results are obvious in that a twenty-year-old with no military training shows his face, his rangefinder, his backpack, flies a drone overhead, is spotted and reported as suspicious hours before an event, climbs on a roof, wiggles around for 45 minutes and then fires on one of the highest "principals" in the world.

This could be a mere "well it was bound to happen eventually", or it could be a loosely-wound 'arraignment'. Only a couple of conversations need to take place for the would-be to know things are a go... and none of them involve Biden, the WH, the SS or anyone that would fill most of the true conspiracy theories.

Clearly, the most baffling discovery is the absolute lack of communication.

Shooter is spotted with a gun, on the roof. Over two minutes go by and SS is never notified. The director talks about "constant struggles with cell coverage".

Protocol is for locals to call a central command unit and they will dispatch the message to the Secret Service? Why not just use carrier pigeons, they're cheaper than cell phone plans?


Oh wait, you have a $6B budget. In that case...

I suppose we can imagine things based on the complete unknown if that's what we wish to do. But then that's the same thing that happened when this thing initially happened as well. I can show you several examples of where GOP members claimed this kid was some anti trumpian, that he had been indoctrinated and influenced to do this by some group or people online. But then all of that was shown to be untrue. Some of that type of thinking was echoed on this very board at the time. This newest conjecture just seems like an obvious turn made when the previous road led to a dead end.

So no, if that's the road you will, have or decide to walk down, I won't blame you for it. I just like to know who travels that road and who doesn't. For the most part I've found such roads reach a dead end and only serve to confuse travelers along the way. But by all means, to each their own.

This newest conjecture? I didn't have a previous "road", so how did it reach a dead end??

I watched all but the last 10 minutes or so. Cruz and Hawley need to be neutered. Rowe can't/couldn't give a yes or no answer to some of the questions. If he had, he'd have thrown a wrench into the investigation. Rowe wasn't about to be Bullied by these two Trump loving ass hats. All they wanted is for Rowe to say, Yeah, Biden did it and of course, they didn't get that.

Cruz and Hawley were showboating for Trump.. Nothing more than that.