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If I'm Berry, I'm playing harder to get than being too eager. WE aren't the ones desperate at all

Can someone please explain the Steelers involvement in all this? I honestly don't get it at all.

Why would Aiyuk want to go there (QB situation and team overall being in a rebuild)?
Unless they're giving away a motherload of picks (which they don't do) why do the Steelers want to give up capital for another guy that's not going to get enough targets? When was the last time the Steelers made such a dramatic trade for a WR?

You are probably right about the QB situation but I wouldn’t say they are in rebuild mode. I think they are happy with their QB room at the moment. They also have retooled their defense which was already good. Having Aiyuk across from Pickens would be scary.

I think Aiyuk wants to play for Tomlin.

This.

But can the Steelers give the 9ers what they want? They probably want Pickens (and more) and I can’t see Pitt letting him go. He very well may be as good with a proper QB. I just keep coming back to this: you’ve got to satisfy both the 9ers and Aiyuk and they both want a lot. With out Aiyuk, the 9ers don’t have a legit #1 in a year they have very real Super Bowl aspirations. They become a much easier team to scheme without a legit #1 WR. I don’t see them swinging a trade without a real WR threat being returned. So yea, are the Steelers willing to give them that player? We’ll see.

I agree with you and PDawg.

It is why if AB trades for Aiyuk it'll be similar to the Cooper deal.

With Schefter reporting the Patriots have bowed out, I think this boils down to whether SF signs Aiyuk. If they don't, AB signs him to a contract the Steelers can't or won't match. Dare I say a fully guaranteed 4-year $20 million/year contract! Can AB steal another receiver?

It's not whether Aiyuk is worth it. It matters who has the cap space and who can beat Jimmy Haslam with guaranteed money.

Agreed. We practically stole AC and Jeudy. Maybe we can do it again with Aiyuk.

It looks like Aiyuk will be a Steelers. He (reportedly) said he wouldn't agree to anything with Cleveland or New England.

I’m actually glad we didn’t (yet) cut some massive deal with him but I hate him on the Steelers. I’m rooting for few things more than QB mediocrity in Pitt. I just hope it means Pickens is part of the deal. Both of them on the same team makes the QB job a lot easier in terms of defensive schemes. The Steelers start looking like a legit threat to win the AFCN if they get upper mediocre QB play.

I don’t think we should care what other teams are doing.

If Berry and Stefanski take care of our own house it shouldn’t matter. My feeling is there is no sense in getting worked up over anything our rivals do. Let them sign him and let them pay him a ton of dollars. Who cares. If you are a well run organization these things trend to take care of themselves.

I think we are finally a well run organization.

Report: 49ers have verbal trade agreement with Steelers for Brandon Aiyuk

Brandon Aiyuk Trade Rumors: Steelers, 49ers Don't Have Deal in Place Despite Buzz

The Pittsburgh Steelers and San Francisco 49ers have not agreed to a deal that would send wide receiver Brandon Aiyuk to Pittsburgh, NFL insider Jordan Schultz reported Wednesday.

The Steelers and 49ers are continuing to discuss a possible trade, Schultz noted.

Andrew Fillipponi of Pittsburgh's 937 The Fan had previously reported that the Steelers had "a verbal agreement in place" for an Aiyuk trade.




https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ers-dont-have-deal-in-place-despite-buzz

Andrew Fillipponi Is a clown. I don’t believe anything he says.

FWIW…….

Aditi Kinkhabwala was just on 93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh talking about the Aiyuk situation. She said, in her opinion, the interest the Browns have in Aiyuk has been overstated throughout the process. When on to say how much they value Cooper’s leadership on the team.

Yea, that’s the message they send out thru their proxies once the deal falls thru. Whenever I see the “we didn’t really wanna do that anyway” messages start getting leaked I know whatever deal I was watching is unofficially over. But who knows.

I always believed Berry's thoughts were, "We'll take him off your hands if you can't afford him!".

What are other's thoughts? Do you think the Browns have become loyal to their players?

Players are getting paid well. When the analytical number approaches (age, usage, production, etc.), Browns still pays higher than most. They made numerous upgrades to the training facility. It's not a perfect world, but from an outside point of view, it seems all is well in the Browns organization, and a nice workplace.

I don't worry about the reports. If we sign him, we sign him. If we don't, we don't. I don't see any point in speculating on what might or might not happen.

Every team getting the messaging out they want to control the narrative.

Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports reported earlier that the Browns offered more money to Aiyuk to SF than the Patriots reported offer of of $28.5M per year. He also said the the Browns return package to SF was more that what the Pats offered.

The sticking point was Aiyuk wanting to play for Tomlin and turning down both the Pats and Browns contract offers.

This is somewhat similar to the Watson scenario. We’ll see if Berry ultimately gets his guy.

I don’t want the guy unless we get a deal where we fleece them. We have Coop, for another year or two, then Ced will slide into the #1 role in our WR room - looks like that’s a train that is already building up steam - and I don’t want to give up a 1st rounder, or Amari, for that matter.

This thing doesn’t feel right.

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Aiyuk doesn't have the ability to nix a trade.

Its not in his contract.

Yes, he does, to an extent. No team is going make a trade for him unless he agrees to terms of the contract the team is offering.

Sure, he doesn't have a traditional no trade clause, but he essentially has a a no trade clause.

If Tillman actually lives up to the preseason hype he's getting, this Aiyuk thing will end up being an afterthought for us.

(1) There is zero certainty Tillman slides into the # 1 role. He could flame out just as quickly as he came here. Drafting WRs hasn't been our strong suit. Trading for WRs has been.
(2) IMO, this is Cooper's last year here in Cleveland and who knows what we get w/ Jeudy, although the price to get him and extend him was cheap, comparatively.
(3) Aiyuk has proven to be a #1 with great speed and excellent route running. He is a talent, no doubt.

I'm not saying we will, or should, get him. But there are plenty of reasons why getting him at 26 years of age and locking him up for years is sensible.

I'm not so sure. You have Tillman on a cheap third round draft contract for the next three years so you have the luxury of signing a high priced FA. I think the biggest question here revolves around how do they see Coop in their plans over the next four years? While we don't know for sure, I think a big hint is they only signed him to a one year extension. So the actual question may be do they see Tillman and Aiyuk as your top 2 WR's or do you see Tillman and Coop as your top 2 WR's over the next few years?

But that does however complicate things a bit. Would the 49'er's want to lock Coop up to a lengthier contract to make such a trade deal or would they be happy with a one year band aid until they could address their #1 WR in some other way?

I think another big consideration is does this FO think that there's a good chance that Tillman will become an NFL #1 WR? I would think that's a huge question mark at this stage of his development. They may very well stick with Coop. But there's certainly two very legitimate sides to this story.

just like OBJ did?

OBJ had just signed a 5 year contract extension with Giants the year before being traded. He had 4 years left on his deal. Aiyuk is in the final year of his contract and is able to dictate who he goes to because the team will want to sign him to an extension.

The comparison between OBJ and Aiyuk are not remotely similar. Unless you're trying to make a different point.

I guess it's like my in laws selling my mom in laws mother's house.

You can ask all you want, doesn't mean you'll get it. And, in their case, they are scaring away potential buyers with the asking price. If it's appraised at 225, why ask 350?