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Yeah every fact that sheds bad light on Goper’s is always fake. You Goper’s crack me up.

So how many millions of jobs does that leave that have been created during the Biden administration? It was at 14.8 million before this adjustment.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-economy-created-818000-fewer-jobs-than-previously-reported

Jobs Report falsified during an election year....Things that make you say HMMMMMMM.

That's 810K imaginary jobs.

Hard to know how many of them were real.

Not really.

In your world everything is fake unless it’s coming from you know who.

Oh, the irony.

Polly wanna a cracker?

Okay, go verify every job with your own eyes. Let us know how easy that was. Otherwise, you don't know. You're just taking somebody else's word for it on faith.

I'm not sure what using words that a parrot will repeat was supposed to do for you.

They review to double check it and adjust the numbers every month. But I'm quite aware you find that untrustworthy and have a bone to pick about this just like you do everything else. Same as it ever was with you. It's always about possibilities or never trusting anything with you. No matter how thorough the process may be.

No, I treat straight up everything as fake in the media and on the internet until legitimate evidence supports it.

You seem to pick and choose based on who says something.

"They." If it's habitual liars doing the checking, the "thoroughness" of the process is irrelevant.

Yes, I find anything a liar says untrustworthy.

Democrat, Republican-- both frequently liars.

Not really but please do go on as I'm sure you will do. What you do in making such false accusations is pretend this same method of measuring job increases or declines has been used with both republican as well as democratic administrations. So unless you think using the same method to arrive at the job numbers no matter who controls The White House "depends on who is saying it" is foolish at best.

I do think it's BS all the time, regardless of party. Really.

There's plenty of evidence to back up the alleged "false accusations." Some in this very thread.

Ignore, deny, and lie, Pit. Ignore, deny, and lie. That's all you've got. Well, you change your story, but that fits under lying. I guess you roll on the floor, too. I'm not sure that qualifies as a tactic.

The wind direction of your opinion must have changed. It started out as saying that .....


When I pointed out that it wasn't based on who it was saying it but that the same method was used by administrations of both parties the wind suddenly changed along with your opinion to......


Which is a quite convenient opinion to have. It means without merit, without anything of substance to support it, you can pick and choose what you decide to believe or not believe based on your feelings. There's a lot of that going around these days.

Based on your personal attacks towards me it appears you're angry again. Same as it ever was. When you can't attack the message you attack the messenger.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...mericans-for-selling-their-homes-report/

Harris supports a 44.6% tax on Americans for selling their homes: Report

What a pos

Lies, tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies. You should totally have that as your theme song. I can picture you singing it to yourself in the mirror every morning.

My opinion has been that both parties lie since before I started posting on the boards-- before I was old enough to vote. It's only been reinforced as I've grown older.

It hasn't changed.

Without merit? Has Trump never lied? Were the Democrats job numbers accurate? Which time?

I'm a skeptic. I doubt until I believe. I don't choose what to believe. I look at all the readily available evidence and a "belief" forms organically. I don't instantly believe everything that I read on the internet from a source that I typically agree with. I have to be convinced every time.

I attack the message, when the message is lies, it must inevitably land on the liar when called out.

I'm tempted to say it's not personal, but I won't . And, I'd call anyone else that lied a liar, too. Yet, there is an added bit of animosity when they come from you as you constantly lie directly about me.

Oh look, isn’t it weird how some people will buy into anything to justify their hate. A 44% tax on your home when you sell it? Who in their right mind thinks Kamala really wants that. Pathetic. It must suck to be a maga wingbat about now, watching their dreams of new Gilead slip away.

It's effectively in black and white in the Biden-Harris Fiscal Year 2025 budget proposal linked directly from whitehouse.gov in the article.

Are Biden and Harris lying about what they want to do?

Admittedly, it is up to 44.6%, but would be a substantial increase for many Americans. So while the headline is a bit misleading, it appears to be technically accurate.

Misleading headlines? Say it ain't so. The other side crying about it without actually reading the article? Entirely too common.

It would basically be an increase for very few; you would have to be an investor making 1 mil per year.

Biden capital gains tax increase
The capital gains tax rate for long-term capital gains, assets held for more than one year, is at most 20%.

Capital gains are the profits you make from selling or trading an asset. The tax rates that apply to a particular capital gain (i.e., capital gains tax rates) depend on the type of asset involved, your taxable income, and how long you held the property before it was sold.

Biden’s FY25 budget proposal would nearly double that capital gains tax rate to 39.6%. That proposed capital gains rate increase would apply to investors who make at least one million dollars a year.

44.6% capital gains tax proposal?
You may have heard about a proposed 44.6% capital gains rate in a budget footnote. That rate is a separate proposal that if ever approved, would apply only to those with high net investment and taxable income.

The rate supposes an increase of the net investment income tax rate to 5% above the $400,000 threshold with an increased top ordinary rate of 39.6%.

You seem to have pulled most of that from here: https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/biden-calls-for-doubling-capital-gains-tax-rate (Just for the Big Perf)

What is it with Democrats and plagiarizing?

The highest rate might only be for millionaires. Is it the only "bracket" going up in the proposal?

How many investors are making 1 million plus a year? Is it "very few"?

At least you did do some research.

Home sales have historically been subject to a 250k single/500k married exemption for a primary residence. No mention about if the exemption is proposed to be eliminated…

You have to be careful with sources, and interpretation of its consequential impact.

That is pretty high for capital gains.

I'm sorry you got called out by changing your story and then your anger made you attack me for pointing it out. But that's who you have become.

You called me out by "changing my story" without my consent AKA lying. Yes, that offended me.

Neither of us have changed what we are. I just don't try to hide it. You've always been a liar.

Your claim was that i was only basing what I was saying on who said it. Which if we are speaking of lying is a total lie. After pointing out that both parties use the same method to establish job growth you then said it doesn't matter who said it, they're all liars. So first it was only based on your claim of who was saying it and then after being shown differently your story changed to it didn't matter who was saying it.

I'm sorry that you are so easily confused by that.

So it mattered who said it until it didn't matter who said it. I understand that for some strange reason you think that's the same thing.

Well, this is a bad look. I just want to say that the company's response trying to point the finger back at the Government is eerily similar to all those political and corporate responses we've seen over and over again lately where you know that the party is culpable, but overreacting.

The sad thing is that, whether it's the defense industry, pharmaceutical industry, food industry, and now rent industry, when you have this level of collusion and anti-competitive practices, it swings the pendulum so far in one direction that it will imminently call for drastic actions to be taken back the other way (hint hint: price controls).

Anyhow, here's the latest:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/feds-sue-software-company-enabling-162752430.html

The Justice Department and a number of state attorneys general are suing a software company for allegedly facilitating a nationwide conspiracy among major landlords to fix prices of rent.

The DOJ and eight states on Friday filed suit against the software developer RealPage Inc., based in Richardson, Texas, over an alleged scheme to decrease “competition among landlords in apartment pricing and to monopolize the market for [software] that landlords use to price apartments.” The company "has built a business out of frustrating the natural forces of competition," according to the lawsuit.

The suit comes as the Biden administration faces voter concerns over the cost of living in the wake of the worst inflation in four decades.

“Americans should not have to pay more in rent because a company has found a new way to scheme with landlords to break the law,” Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a statement. “Everybody knows the rent is too damn high, and we allege this is one of the reasons why,” Garland added at a press conference.

“We allege that RealPage’s pricing algorithm enables landlords to share confidential, competitively sensitive information and align their rents,” Garland added in a statement. “Using software as the sharing mechanism does not immunize this scheme from [antitrust] liability, and the Justice Department will continue to aggressively enforce the antitrust laws and protect the American people from those who violate them.”

The attorneys general of North Carolina, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Minnesota, Oregon, Tennessee and Washington joined the suit, filed in North Carolina federal court. The attorneys general in Washington, D.C., and Arizona have previously filed similar ongoing lawsuits.

“We are disappointed that, after multiple years of education and cooperation on the antitrust matters concerning RealPage, the DOJ has chosen this moment to pursue a lawsuit that seeks to scapegoat pro-competitive technology that has been used responsibly for years," said RealPage spokesperson Jennifer Bowcock. "It is merely a distraction from the fundamental economic and political issues driving inflation throughout our economy — and housing affordability in particular — which should be the focus of policymakers in Washington, D.C."

POLITICO first reported the DOJ’s plans to sue RealPage.

Vice President Kamala Harris has also made bringing down housing costs a priority in her campaign for president, pledging last month to “take on corporate landlords and cap unfair rent increases.”

Home prices are at record highs and rents are up more than 30 percent since the start of the pandemic in March 2020, according to Zillow.

The White House in July released a proposal to eliminate a depreciation tax credit for two years for any landlord with more than 50 units who increases rent by more than 5 percent in a year — capping rent on roughly 20 million units around the country.

The case is the latest in a series of actions taken by the DOJ and its sister antitrust agency the Federal Trade Commission to crack down on corporate power across the economy. The Biden administration has filed cases targeting alleged monopoly power by Google, Amazon, Apple and Ticketmaster, as well as less well-known, but important companies in food, chemical and health care markets.

According to Friday’s lawsuit, RealPage works with competing landlords in cities around the country to facilitate the sharing of competitively sensitive information on rental prices and other leasing terms. It uses that information to “train” the company’s algorithmic pricing tools allowing landlords to collude on rents with their competitors, according to the suit.

The DOJ has focused heavily in recent years on so-called algorithmic collusion, saying that price-fixing via algorithm is no different than people gathered in a smoke-filled room.

The DOJ's Jonathan Kanter told reporters that in addition to lawyers and economists, the department had data scientists "interrogate the code so that we can understand how algorithms use sensitive information from landlords to recommend and set prices."

According to the lawsuit, RealPage has described its products as “driving every possible opportunity to increase price even in the most downward trending or unexpected conditions.”

“RealPage’s revenue management software is purposely built to be legally compliant, and we have a history of working constructively with the DOJ to show that,” Bowcock said. She referred to the acquisition of a competing software provider LRO as evidence for the firm’s working within the law. ”In fact, in 2017 when the DOJ granted antitrust clearance for our acquisition of LRO, the DOJ also analyzed extensive information about our revenue management products without objecting to them in any way,” she said.

RealPage also maintains that its share of the rental market in any given city is small. In San Francisco, for example, the company said its software is used in under 10 percent of rental properties. It also says landlords are free to reject its rental recommendations and do so about half of the time. While the company has acknowledged that some non-public information is used, it maintains it is anonymous to landlords.

The complaint focuses on RealPage’s revenue management service, YieldStar, which has roughly 80 percent of the market for such software, affecting prices on about three million rental units around the country.

While no landlords were named as defendants, the complaint makes it clear that they are also under scrutiny at the DOJ. And the DOJ also has an ongoing criminal price-fixing investigation of both RealPage and landlords, POLITICO first reported.

The lawsuit relies heavily on RealPage’s own documents and executive statements. One RealPage executive said of the software “there is greater good in everybody succeeding versus essentially trying to compete against one another in a way that actually keeps the entire industry down.”

The same RealPage executive described said that if enough landlords use the product they will “likely move in unison versus against each other.”

In describing a different RealPage offering, one landlord called it "classic price-fixing."

For you, who says it seems to matter. For me, it doesn't. Yes, you later change your claim to something I can agree with, but your changed story doesn't erase your earlier lie. Your changing my story to your lie, doesn't actually make me the one that wrote it.

Your twisted story changing and revisionist history is hard to follow. You seem to confuse yourself most of the time.

It mattered to you until you changed your story to that it didn't. You were making excuses for the Democrats by saying the Republicans do it, too. That's not holding both accountable for the lies.

When the Republicans do something, you're all "shame on the Republicans." When the Democrats do the same thing, it's "the Republicans do the same thing." Instead of "shame on the Republicans," why don't you ever use "the Democrats do the same thing" there, too? Why don't you ever use "shame on the Democrats?"

The only time you say boo about the BS you and the rest of the left do, is to try to compare it to somebody else doing the same or worse. A good chunk of the time (a bad chunk of the time?) you do it by making stuff up. You're the king of lies and excuses.

Now that I've admitted my problem and am analyzing it, I can see that giving you attention only feeds your delusions. As that appears to be something that could become, if it's not already, a danger to society, I will have to find a better outlet. Peace, Pit. Enjoy hearing the voice in your head.

That's a lot of long winded double talk and word vomit to try and justify your total change in position. I would call it all lies but you seem to feel that you have the market cornered on that word.


I'm certainly glad that I could be the outlet for your anger rather than you do something that might land you in jail as you stated earlier. I know it must make you feel better that since you yourself have admitted you might do something to be arrested for already makes you a danger on society, deflecting that back onto me is probably therapeutic for you. Whatever I can do to help.

And just remember, if you're ever on the verge of committing a crime that may harm others or land you in jail, feel free to come back and unload your venom on me. Not that I enjoy it but protecting your potential victims as well as your freedom is something I'm willing to do just as I have done to this point. I have broad shoulders so it's okay. You're welcome.

Boys, take it outside....smile. Oh! Oh! the sky is falling- the Demorats will kill the economy.......OOPHS!! DOW sets new record!!!