I don't believe most "reports" unless they come from legit sources.
No team is giving two first rounders for Aiyuk.
I am at that point where I wish he would be traded to another team. I don't care who the team is.
In this case, I hope the Steelers land him.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
two 1sts is ridiculous .. I'd say a 2nd rounder and a player would be more than sufficient
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I guess it's like my in laws selling my mom in laws mother's house.
You can ask all you want, doesn't mean you'll get it. And, in their case, they are scaring away potential buyers with the asking price. If it's appraised at 225, why ask 350?
Exactly. You can ask for the moon. That doesn't mean you will get it.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I don’t want the guy unless we get a deal where we fleece them. We have Coop, for another year or two, then Ced will slide into the #1 role in our WR room - looks like that’s a train that is already building up steam - and I don’t want to give up a 1st rounder, or Amari, for that matter.
This thing doesn’t feel right.
(1) There is zero certainty Tillman slides into the # 1 role. He could flame out just as quickly as he came here. Drafting WRs hasn't been our strong suit. Trading for WRs has been. (2) IMO, this is Cooper's last year here in Cleveland and who knows what we get w/ Jeudy, although the price to get him and extend him was cheap, comparatively. (3) Aiyuk has proven to be a #1 with great speed and excellent route running. He is a talent, no doubt.
I'm not saying we will, or should, get him. But there are plenty of reasons why getting him at 26 years of age and locking him up for years is sensible.
Nice response, Memphis, made me think. I agree on Jeudy, and Cedrick is unproven, but the idea to give up a lot of money for another WR is worrisome. We just opened the vault for Jeudy. I don’t know for sure about all this, but I want to keep Amari. He’s been balling out since he got to Cleveland, is a pro, can run routes probably as good as Aiyuk and almost anybody , and his age isn’t a big factor as it is for most WRs.
I really think he will remain a 49er, so this is moot.
He wants $30+. The Niners see him as $26 to $28. He is a good scheme fit for the Niners.
He is not a top five receiver.
I do not believe it is smart to overpay for receivers. You can find receivers for what you do and the role they need to play in your scheme.
Unless it makes sense for now and tomorrow. I am not interested.
I think he's borderline top 5. Plus, he's still young enough to have upside. Contract numbers keep going up. On the one hand, they are all "overpaid," but if that's what they're able to find now is it overpaying?
49ers just have a bunch of mouths to feed on offense, so he doesn't see the volume that other "top" WRs do. He's near the top of a lot of "non-box score" and/or efficiency metrics.
Think that's part of the reason he wants out of SF. Hard to be "the guy" on an offense also featuring CMC, Kittle, and Deebo. Not sure why he wants to go to PIT from that perspective, though. I mean, I guess he could be "the guy" there. Just not sure what that looks like at WR in an Arthur Smith coordinated offense.
He's good and young-ish. That much makes sense now and later. Haslam's deep pockets and Berry's financial wizardry can find a way to make the money work.
I do wonder a bit how much of a factor the "there is the offense we ran vs. the offense we want to run" at play.
I also wonder if rather than Cooper we might be packaging Moore/Tillman with picks. Do the 49ers really want another "expensive" WR/one year rental in Cooper?
I'm not saying that we have to get Aiyuk, just not sure the media reasoning and the reasoning of those involved are the same, and I can see some merit to Aiyuk in this offense. I also could see Aiyuk's hesitance to join another crowded offense in ours, if Cooper weren't involved in the trade.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Has there been any substantive news since late yesterday? If the situation is cooling off it would point to SanFran and/or Aiyuk overplaying their hand.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Cooper's response on the rumors of him being traded to SF for Aiyuk.
Exactly why I would be 100% fine including him in any trade.. He's old and expensive. Gone are the days players are loyal to one team, they are few and far between.. Amari was OK with the business side of when he was holding out on getting the deal he wanted despite he already was under contract, yet when he's on the other side of a business deal he gets pissy..Theres a reason dallas and the raiders got rid of him. I know people want to think every player loves being here, the truth is for the most part its business for them as well. So If we can get a younger productive guy and we have to trade an older one to do it who will be gone next year anyways.. by all means. I'd take a team of NC and Bitonio and JT all day, but theres not many built like them anymore
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Don’t mind pointing out this is pretty close to what I thought. I knew Coop would have to go there, no way Shanna wouldn’t end up with #1 WR, and would probably include a high pick but not a first rounder, and it was definitely Aiyuk balking. Though I figured because Cleveland probably came in at 28ish and he wants more, not the Cleveland hate.
Goes to show, Cleveland has a “location tax” unlike any other NFL city. I rarely hear people not wanting to go to Green Bay or buffalo or Jacksonville or Pitt. It may happens but Cleveland seems to get the metro nut punch from players more than anyone.
"Team Chemistry No Match for Team Biology" (Onion Sports Headline)
I'm still confused as to why fans think players should be loyal to a team. When a team is done with a player they simply cast them aside and it seems strange that people hold players to a different standard. Just like all of us, a players number one loyalty should be to his family and trying to establish long term wealth for them and their future generations. The average length of an NFL players career is 3.3 years. Their career can end with the next snap of the ball. I don't blame any player for making all they can while they can. They don't owe me anything. In this case it would have been the Browns moving on from Cooper and not the other way around. What do you expect a player to say when the team he plays for has been negotiating to try and trade him?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
The 49ers reportedly were ready to send WR Brandon Aiyuk to the Browns for Amari Cooper, a second-round pick, and a fifth-round pick -- but Aiyuk put the kibosh on the deal.
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The 49ers and Browns agreed to a trade that would have sent Brandon Aiyuk to Cleveland for Amari Cooper, a 2nd & a 5th-round pick, per @MaioccoNBCS 👀
But Aiyuk declined. He did not want to play in Cleveland.
I wonder how long it took the Browns to figure out that Aiyuk was simply using the Browns in an attempt to leverage a better deal and/or in an attempt to find a better location to play in..?
Obviously Aiyuk and his agent were simply playing with the Browns using them and it seems like the Browns took the bait swallowed the hook, believing that Aiyuk was serious about playing for Cleveland.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
...might seem like a "silly detail" to some fans and the Browns front office..but it would have saved the Browns the embarrassment of finding out that Aiyuk had no intention or desire to play for the Browns.
I actually thought Kelly looked awful last game too. I felt he looked better 2 years ago
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Yes, talking to Aiyuk first while having no idea if you can work out a trade details with the 49'ers makes so much more sense in your world. That's not the order these things are done in. Just look back to the watson deal. Love or hate the deal the Browns first had to work out a trade deal with Houston which afterwords watson had to agree to go to Cleveland to play and a contract was worked out out with watson.
Your suggestion is the Browns do this entire thing backwards against what the league considers normal protocol. But I'm not surprised by that.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
...might seem like a "silly detail" to some fans and the Browns front office..but it would have saved the Browns the embarrassment of finding out that Aiyuk had no intention or desire to play for the Browns.
WHAT would have "saved the Browns embarrassment"? A crystal ball??
You're not making any sense at all. The biggest reason was spelled out by Pit. You can't just rearrange the boxes on the flowchart to fuel your blind hatred. Well, I guess you can because you did. What you can't do, and never seem to learn, is sell that trash to us. Every feeble attempt just makes people take you less serious.
The incident escalated when Hall "retrieved one of his two handguns," according to the report. The exact model was identified as "either a .40 caliber Glock 23 or a 9mm Smith & Wesson M&P Shield"
Hall, the report states, "pressed the firearm against her temple and threatened, 'I will (expletive) end it all. I don't care."
The two women fled outside of the house, where they contacted the police. Hall then, according to the report, "locked the women out of the residence and fled the scene in his vehicle."
The reporting officer stated in the report that they "observed several indicators of a physical altercation." That included a damaged bedroom door frame and a hole in a bedroom door. Two handguns, identified as "a Glock and a Smith & Wesson," were "lying on the mattress in the game room."
...might seem like a "silly detail" to some fans and the Browns front office..but it would have saved the Browns the embarrassment of finding out that Aiyuk had no intention or desire to play for the Browns.
WHAT would have "saved the Browns embarrassment"? A crystal ball??
You're not making any sense at all. The biggest reason was spelled out by Pit. You can't just rearrange the boxes on the flowchart to fuel your blind hatred. Well, I guess you can because you did. What you can't do, and never seem to learn, is sell that trash to us. Every feeble attempt just makes people take you less serious.
Are the Browns permitted to speak to a player under contract without permission of their current team? I always thought that was tampering, unless SF already had given permission or the rule doesn't say that.
The memo sent Monday by the NFL to all teams reminds them not to engage in discussions with players under contract with other teams, or their representatives. That’s only part of the story.
The incident escalated when Hall "retrieved one of his two handguns," according to the report. The exact model was identified as "either a .40 caliber Glock 23 or a 9mm Smith & Wesson M&P Shield"
Hall, the report states, "pressed the firearm against her temple and threatened, 'I will (expletive) end it all. I don't care."
The two women fled outside of the house, where they contacted the police. Hall then, according to the report, "locked the women out of the residence and fled the scene in his vehicle."
The reporting officer stated in the report that they "observed several indicators of a physical altercation." That included a damaged bedroom door frame and a hole in a bedroom door. Two handguns, identified as "a Glock and a Smith & Wesson," were "lying on the mattress in the game room."
Just a dumbass... wasted pick. Why do these young athletes risk everything with stupidity.
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