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Because, for most of those people, they think that the ROI has a much larger impact on their lives that what their union dues buys them. Plain and simple.

I actually think it's a good step in the right direction for institutions and groups to decouple themselves from thoughtless allegiences. I think that's what both parties have been banking on - the whole mantra that I have this group in my pocket no matter what so I only have to appear to support them on the surface without providing any actual substance. Like what you inferred, that doesn't mean that you have to endorse the other party, but I think the message has to be made clear from individual voters all the way through large orgs like unions and whatnot that endorsements are not to be expected, but earned. And that messaging has to continue every 2-4 years. Even if we endorsed you last time, it doesn't mean we'll do it this time.

I can certainly understand what you're saying, and don't disagree with you. But when union members regularly throw around terms like 'brotherhood' and being so "us vs them" as they are much of the time, it's hard for my brain to digest voting for a party that's generally as anti-union as they are. Again, not jabbing at anyone (or if so, I'm taking at jab at myself)... it's just hard to wrap my brain around.

Here's your problem that you fail to address. There's a huge difference between "never lies" and "always lies". Your party went from John McCain and Mitt Romney to Donald Trump. Now you pretend or have convinced yourself everything as being equal. But let's take a look at what we have here shall we?

Yes, politicians lie. As a general rule people lie. And while it's always wrong to do so, most people have a certain motivation for doing so. Clinton lied to hide what he did with Monica Lewinsky. Nixon lied to cover up the Watergate burglary. But trump just makes up random BS several times every time he speaks for no reason at all. He lies just to lie with no actual reason or motivation to do so. But in your desire to make them all seen the same you ignore that. Let me give you just a single latest example.

Every Republican everywhere has been using the number of ten million illegals crossing the border under the Biden administration. I've seen numbers between 8.1 million and 10 million. Then suddenly, for no real reason, trump started saying that number was 20 million. And he has repeated it since.

I'll tell you what, when you find someone other than trump that tells 15 to 20+ lies every time he speaks in public, let me know. Until then you're simply trying to create a false equivalency.

But you are right about one thing. When a man tries to overthrow a presidential election, has 34 felony convictions and a jury found to have sexually assaulted a woman, I will promote anyone running against him. Where you are failing again is you claim that someone who does that is deflecting from their candidate of choice. Nothing that Kamala or Walz has done compares to the things trump has done. It's not even close. The party you support has set the bar so low nobody else would be capable of crawling under it.

And I love seeing your "Good thing your boy........oh, wait, now it's you girl" quote. I understand how upsetting it must be to see someone climbing in the polls against him and that the dems are no longer running an old demented guy. Let me know when she gets a felony record or is found to have sexually assaulted anyone. Or maybe you'll get lucky and her and the dems will try to overthrow the 2024 election after all the votes are counted. Keep your fingers crossed!

I think you're looking at tradition and seeing a false picture of what the movie is in this day and age. "Brotherhood" is meant to be the workers with a strong union standing behind them. That brotherhood never expected knives in the back. "Us vs them" is now workers vs the corporation with the union waffling between who they support. They have been lap dogs for the corporation. My father-in-law is a perfect example of someone who perpetually voted democrat because his union told him so. Why wouldn't he? He could look around and see a near embarrassment of riches his job and "brotherhood" afforded him. That is not nearly the case anymore.

What will eventually get a lot more air time (maybe, I've tried to do my part) is the point in history when this changed dramatically. I've mentioned it several times on this board. After the crash and bankruptcies in 09, the Big Three told the union there needed to be some restructuring in costs. They paid them an estimated (somehow this number has never reached a point of clarity) 8 BILLION to manage the legacy costs of unfunded pension and health benefits for retired workers. At that point they both jumped into bed, side by side, and turned off the light on true union representation.

"Us vs them" is sometimes (many times) the corp and the union. If you want some very clear examples, I'll be more than willing to provide them.

Let me know when she gets felony convictions, when a jury finds she sexually assaulted someone or tries to overthrow the election. Until then......

We'll have to see how that works out after trump praised Musk for union busting.....

I really like this perspective because I don't know much about it. The market crash that happened really reset so many things in terms of our politics.

Do you not understand that this election comes down to a choice between trump and harris?
Everything between the two of them needs to be compared to the other.
And then you make the choice on who you are going to vote for.

Amen to that. "The crash" is where I went off the rails in hoping there was any real chance of fixing this perverted system. Sometimes people get to bogged down in details to see the simplicity of some of the things that happen. It's an easy bait n' switch when we were basically pat on the head and told it's too complex for us to understand.

Part of the perversion is clear as day to me. You had a real estate market whose true value was around 1 trillion being traded to the tune of 7 trillion. Evidence enough right there that this was all "Monopoly money". Yet when AIG was deemed "too big to fail", they, and subsequently, those they insured, were bailed out dollar for dollar. So these criminals traded in their Monopoly money for real dollars at the taxpayer's expense. And then, to celebrate, laughed out loud and stuck a big middle finger in our faces when they all paid themselves huge bonuses.

If that's not clear evidence that "they" don't even care that we know this game is fixed, I don't know what is.

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The crazy part about this (especially when you look at how we choose to debate things like the health of our economy) is that the run-up to the crash, the crash itself, and the "clean-up" were overseen by both parties. Both parties (at one point or another) were in the WH and had control of House/Senate and greenlit laws that contributed to that crash. And bailout (IIRC) was drafted up by one president (GWB) and executed by the next one (Obama).

Side note: stuff like this is why I get all pissy when we argue the economy the way we do during election years

I figured that was just your general demeanor.

Yeah, it definitely speaks to two sides of the same coin. I don't think that is the case anymore since Trump pretty much knocked out Jeb in '16 and charted his own course for the party, but overall, I think we're still stuck in the quagmire that nobody actually wants to fix our debt/deficit/economy.

Disco describes them perfectly.

Its a cute video.

lol ..your fantasy 3some. BTW…When is this interview happening or did it happen already?

That interview was more like a scifi trip to an alternate reality where pigs thought they ruled the world, or to 1910 Jekyll Island listening to the rich decide we all needed their central banking system and the fed reserve. Except this wasn’t about their control of our money, these sickos think money makes them better people. Two hate filled billionaire elitists deciding our democracy has to change for them to have more power, more of everything. Super inspiring for the moronic voter.

Nobody is more hate filled than libtards. They try to censor anyone who disagrees with them, because they can't stand an opposing argument. They are tiny little people carrying big hate.

The prosecution rests.