My estimation is half don’t know it and half know it and don’t care. I’m not sure which is worse.
I think you're forgetting an entire group, as evidence from all of the posts following the original: The group that knows it's a lie, doesn't care, but picks up their megaphones to shout about an ancillary argument that buries the entire point.
"You see", it doesn't matter that the left has lied over and over that this is Trump's blueprint for his second term, that he wrote parts of it, that it's his bible, etc, etc... nor that the media has stood in lockstep and perpetuated those lies. What's really important is when Trump learned about the thing he has nothing to do with.
I think that's a reasonable point. I don't disagree with how that position could be arrived at. It would sort of be a bit of a twist on "I know I am but what are you".
Maybe we should spend more time scrutinizing all lies and deception no matter who does it and whether it's the same as or in response to lies by 'the other Side'?
But where I think that falls down, possibly with you, definitely with Memphis and others.... Trump told so many lies. He still does. I have never seen Memphis acknowledge the lie even if was to say "it's the same as what Hilary did"... Or whichever Dem might have been in competition with him. And for sure there has never been any acceptance of the unprecedented lies and any sort of condemnation of them. Hell even centrist news outlets like the BBC, AP and Reuters get labeled as fake news and their criticsm or fact checks are dismissed by Trump and his followers...
So personally I think it is not program so much as acceptance that this is politics today. It's the same in "every" country. Certainly the ones I follow politics in.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I think you're forgetting an entire group, as evidence from all of the posts following the original: The group that knows it's a lie, doesn't care, but picks up their megaphones to shout about an ancillary argument that buries the entire point.
"You see", it doesn't matter that the left has lied over and over that this is Trump's blueprint for his second term, that he wrote parts of it, that it's his bible, etc, etc... nor that the media has stood in lockstep and perpetuated those lies. What's really important is when Trump learned about the thing he has nothing to do with.
Get with the program!
If it is not a blueprint for Trump’s second term, then what is the purpose of Project 2025??? There is the quandary… Project 2025 has no other purpose than to address the general recognition that the first Trump administration was disorganized in 2017. And that the Trump agenda did not get implemented as quickly because of structural limitations of government and those institutional norms, aka the “deep state”. So he reimagines the government to create a new deep state. You’re asking the media to accept Project 2025 as a game of checkers, even though the board indicates that it is a game of chess.
I think you're forgetting an entire group, as evidence from all of the posts following the original: The group that knows it's a lie, doesn't care, but picks up their megaphones to shout about an ancillary argument that buries the entire point.
"You see", it doesn't matter that the left has lied over and over that this is Trump's blueprint for his second term, that he wrote parts of it, that it's his bible, etc, etc... nor that the media has stood in lockstep and perpetuated those lies. What's really important is when Trump learned about the thing he has nothing to do with.
Get with the program!
If it is not a blueprint for Trump’s second term, then what is the purpose of Project 2025??? There is the quandary… Project 2025 has no other purpose than to address the general recognition that the first Trump administration was disorganized in 2017. And that the Trump agenda did not get implemented as quickly because of structural limitations of government and those institutional norms, aka the “deep state”. So he reimagines the government to create a new deep state. You’re asking the media to accept Project 2025 to accept Project 2025 as a game of checkers, even though the board indicates that it is a game of chess.
It's not a quandry, it's a clear bait-n-switch. Trump didn't write it, it's not his.
If you write something and call it "Fate's Blueprint for how he will post on DT in his second decade", does that mean I'm obligated to follow it? Does that mean I helped write it? Does that mean all of your ideas are mine? Does that mean everything you wrote will come to pass because you called it a blueprint?
As you answer a clear "no" to all those questions, realize the media and lefty-loonies are answering "yes" to all of them where Trump is concerned.
I depends on how ridiculous the urge to run around yelling "Liar, liar, pants on fire!!" and the content of the lie.
"I know nothing about Project 2025. I have not seen it, have no idea who is in charge of it, and, unlike our very well received Republican Platform, had nothing to do with it".
And then goes on to say there are good things and stupid, ridiculous things in it.
So obviously he knows about it.
It's real easy to be an adult and know exactly what he's saying -- he had nothing to do with it, he didn't have a hand in it, it's not part of his "plot".
I've watched all politics long enough to distinguish rhetoric from "Liar, liar, pants on fire!!", so have you.
Kamala just said she is going to fight for all Americans. Does that include criminals? Racists? Rapists? Cannibals and those who practice beasiality?
No, probably not. I can take the statement in context or run around screaming about what a sick disgusting person she is. If she were Trump, I'd have the media's help writing the headlines.
I have not seen the Heritage Foundation produce any democratic endorsed material.. If you are silly enough to profess that just because Trump did not personally take sharpie to paper, so it not his project and therefore he can disclaim it… sure.. I bet you have some prime real estate for sale in southwest Florida as well.
The one thing for sure that I do believe is that Trump has not read it.
It’s just another “5 year plan and new deals wrapped in golden chains” that will hopefully be tossed into the dumpster after the election.
Yeah, I'm silly enough to believe just about anything. I bet a lot of what I believe is the opposite of all the "smart" things you believe.
Of course he hasn't read it -- it's 900 pages. I bet all the mouthpieces on DT have though. They seem so well versed in all of it's intricacies.
Here's the foundation:
Project 2025 is built on four key pillars:
Policy: A comprehensive policy agenda outlined in the nearly 900-page book "Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise." This document provides detailed recommendations for overhauling every aspect of the federal government.
Personnel: A LinkedIn-style database of potential conservative appointees for government positions. This pillar aims to recruit individuals aligned with the project's conservative vision.
Training: Called the "Presidential Administration Academy," this pillar focuses on preparing the pool of candidates for government roles. It's designed to train young conservatives to work in the Executive branch.
Playbook: A 180-day transition plan that outlines specific actions to be taken within the first six months of a new administration. This playbook provides a roadmap for swift implementation of the project's conservative agenda.
These four pillars collectively form a comprehensive strategy for reshaping the federal government according to conservative principles, should a Republican win the presidency in 2024.
I know one thing, and know it with every fiber -- if words above were replaced with "democratic" and "liberal", and that was the mandate for leadership -- every liberal would be standing in the aisles and cheering.
Ah, your beliefs again. Based on nothing but feelings and what you think.
Trump has attacked anyone and everyone who disagrees with him publicly. Even within his own administration. I haven't found a single speech or rally where he hasn't lied over 15 times. Still you try to make some false comparison. We're not talking about inconsequential lies mind you. We're talking about lies that led to January 6th. Lies that have led to 60% of Republicans no longer believing in our elections. We're talking about lies that led to states appointing fake electors. Clear attempts to overthrow and fail to certify what over 66 court cases and even Trump's own AG said was an accurate outcome to the election. Reading that was just sad.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Oh I do get it. You talk about lies and then point the finger at the person who shows what some of those lies have caused. And I'm not the only guy who gets it. It seems you want to only talk about lies in general and not the consequences of certain lies. Are you trying to say the lies trump told about the election being stolen wasn't the major factor behind Jan. 6th?
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I depends on how ridiculous the urge to run around yelling "Liar, liar, pants on fire!!" and the content of the lie.
So now the content and consequences of the lie are off the table?
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Of course you avoid it it like the plague and blame someone else for it. That seems to be the method you have to avoid the discussion. To claim it's someone elses fault.
Are you trying to say the lies trump told about the election being stolen wasn't the major factor behind Jan. 6th?
Now that you're gone for the day that certainly removes the brain dead portion.
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I depends on how ridiculous the urge to run around yelling "Liar, liar, pants on fire!!" and the content of the lie.
"I know nothing about Project 2025. I have not seen it, have no idea who is in charge of it, and, unlike our very well received Republican Platform, had nothing to do with it".
And then goes on to say there are good things and stupid, ridiculous things in it.
So obviously he knows about it.
It's real easy to be an adult and know exactly what he's saying -- he had nothing to do with it, he didn't have a hand in it, it's not part of his "plot".
I've watched all politics long enough to distinguish rhetoric from "Liar, liar, pants on fire!!", so have you.
Kamala just said she is going to fight for all Americans. Does that include criminals? Racists? Rapists? Cannibals and those who practice beasiality?
No, probably not. I can take the statement in context or run around screaming about what a sick disgusting person she is. If she were Trump, I'd have the media's help writing the headlines.
Hi mate. I am not being deliberately obtuse, but I am not 100% sure what the issue is. And no need for anyone to chime in with smart ass comments here. . .
I agree with your summary of Trump's knowledge and involvement with/of Project 2025. You seem to have a huge problem with the Dems then misrepresenting what Project 2025 is in relation to Trump's agenda and involvement? But probably a better analogy than I provided earlier ... if the Dems feel this is an area to win votes and scare neutral voters into not voting for Trump, wouldn't that be like Trump and his political allies plus Fox, Breitbart and any/every right wing media outlet collectively all saying that the Democrats are communists, that they want open borders etc ... those claims aren't true but the "Right" run with it because they feel it will scare voters into voting for Trump. It doesn't matter what the truth is. People here on DT who support Trump don't criticize that strategy and if anything try to reinforce and repeat the narrative of the Republicans and the media ... what they'll do is try to suggest why the Dems policies or results are "virtually the same as" or whatever - the Dems being communist or now we've added Marxist to the branding. The Dems aren't communist. They aren't Marxist. But that's the label and stigma "the Republicans" including Trump want to use. It's accepted by Trump supporters without being challenged. . . . So I am trying to figure out why the Dems using the same playbook would be different or worse.
Sure it would be better if neither did it. But as I said before - taking a position that one side does it and should be ashamed while totally ignoring the shenanigans of what the other side do doesn't seem reasonable.
And yes - for sure an easier convo to have over a Guinness of three to find where the middle ground and compromise is.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Why would they do something this stupid when they know there is supposed to be an equal amount??
Democrat poll workers outnumbered Republicans 7 to 1 in Michigan primaries
By Therese Boudreaux | The Center Square 11 hrs ago
(The Center Square) – Detroit’s Election Commission is facing a lawsuit for selecting a disproportionately high number of Democrat poll workers in the August primaries, a possible violation of Michigan election law.
The commission appointed about 2,337 Democrat poll workers and about 310 Republican poll workers, an imbalance of more than 7 to 1.
“Detroit’s failure to hire Republican poll workers is the kind of bad-faith Democrat interference that drives down faith in elections,” RNC Chairman Michael Whatley and Co-Chair Lara Trump said. “The RNC is bringing suit to remedy this completely unacceptable breach of public trust and our unprecedented election integrity campaign will continue to fight in Michigan and nationwide to protect the rights of every voter to have fair, accurate, secure and transparent elections.”
Poll workers, also known as election inspectors, assist voters and manage ballot counting. They also identify and report any irregularities or issues that arise during the election process. The state’s election law requires the board of election commissioners “shall appoint an equal number, as nearly as possible, of election inspectors in each election precinct from each major political party,” to help ensure election transparency and fairness.
The imbalance resulted in 35 voting precincts having roughly equal party representation, “and 200 of the 335 precincts failing to have even a single Republican election inspector, despite the fact that qualified Republicans applied or were identified but were not pursued or selected,” according to the suit.
Besides Republican citizens who had individually applied, the RNC had provided a list in May of 676 poll worker candidates; the city hired 52.
The lawsuit demands the city appoint more Republican poll workers for balanced party representation in the upcoming November General Election.
“Our constitution was founded on the concept that checks and balances are the best way to ensure fairness,” Pure Integrity Michigan Elections founder Patrice Johnson said. “When your numbers are out-of-kilter and you don’t have equal representation, the check-and-balance system breaks down.”
Detroit has 502 election precincts according to the most recent city reports, but 335 precincts provided information on poll worker selection.
Just your normal, everyday, digging in the couch cushions for some spare change.
Speaking of couches, I haven't heard anything from Vance for a few days now. And all of your BS claims never reach the level of credibility. I mean Jim Jordan hasn't even started another one of his BS investigations about them. When are they going to impeach biden again? You're the same bunch who posted that BS as truth too.
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You might actually have a point of Elon wasn't a trump shill. But many people's finger only points in one direction. You are not being censored. Neither is your boy.
Facebook lifts restrictions on Trump, giving him equal footing with Biden on the social media site
Kamala is going to cruise to a landslide, but isn’t it adorable seeing the boards MAGA GOPers not quite seeing it yet. Just wait, it’ll break it’s way through the minutiae soon enough.
😂 based on what? She couldn’t even win, place, or show in the primaries. lol. Not even in her home state. Couple that with her abysmal record as vp, and Biden’s abysmal record as president.
There’s going to be a landslide alright, just show up here when it happens please.
I haven’t laughed this hard since Brandon admitted to killing Medicare. 😂
She definitely isn’t what we’d call “smart” or even “competent”. She apparently thought that 220 million Americans died from COVID. - Is that her excuse for why nobody shows up at her rallies? 😂
There’s going to be a landslide alright, just show up here when it happens please.
You're both crazy thinking this is some sort of forgone conclusion.
One of the best things going for Kamala who is far from perfect .... Trump revulsion factor is bigger than hers. No idea if the Never Trump factor will be enough.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
lol trump has had very few interviews in the last 8 years. He walked out of one and another he had with Dr Phil who usually handles out of control teens and their parents which was fitting.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Trump’s accomplishments as president speak for themselves. Kamala’s accomplishments as a career long politician don’t speak at all - because there are none.
Trump’s accomplishments as president speak for themselves.
Which is exactly why Biden got over 7 million more votes than trump and won the election in 2020. Included in his accomplishments were trying to overthrow an election and disrupting the peaceful transfer of power lest you forget about those accomplishments. Even though he failed at his attempt of becoming a dictator.
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