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WHO declares mpox global health emergency

16 hours ago

James Gallagher
Health and science correspondent
Simi Jolaoso
Africa correspondent

The World Health Organization (WHO) has declared the mpox outbreak in parts of Africa a public health emergency of international concern.

The highly contagious disease - formerly known as monkeypox - has killed at least 450 people during an initial outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

It has now spread across parts of central and east Africa, and scientists are concerned about how fast a new variant of the disease is spreading and its high fatality rate.

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the potential for further spread within Africa and beyond "is very worrying".

"A co-ordinated international response is essential to stop this outbreak and save lives," he said.
Mpox is transmitted through close contact, such as sex, skin-to-skin contact and talking or breathing close to another person.

It causes flu-like symptoms, skin lesions and can be fatal, with four in 100 cases leading to death.

Outbreaks can be controlled by preventing infections with vaccines, though these are usually only available for people at risk or those who have been in close contact with an infected person.

There are two main types of mpox - Clade 1 and Clade 2.

A previous mpox public health emergency, declared in 2022, was caused by the relatively mild Clade 2. However, this time it is the far more deadly Clade 1 - which has killed up to 10% of those getting sick in previous outbreaks - that is surging.

There was a change in the virus around September last year. Mutations led to an offshoot - called Clade 1b - that has since spread rapidly. This new variant has been labelled “the most dangerous yet” by one scientist.

Since the start of the year, there have been more than 13,700 cases of mpox in the DR Congo, with at least 450 deaths.

It has since been detected in other African countries - including Burundi, the Central African Republic, Kenya and Rwanda.

It is hoped the declaration of mpox as a public health emergency will lead to research, funding, and the introduction of other international public health measures being accelerated.

Dr Josie Golding, from the Wellcome Trust, said it was a "strong signal", while Emory University's Dr Boghuma Titanji said the move "underscores the gravity of the crisis".

Prof Trudie Lang, the director of the Global Health Network at the University of Oxford, said it was "important and timely", but added that the emergence of a new strain meant there were "many unknowns that need to be addressed".

In July 2022 the milder Clade 2 strain of mpox spread to nearly 100 countries, including some in Europe and Asia.

It spread rapidly, and there were more than 87,000 cases and 140 deaths reported during that outbreak, according to a WHO count.

Although anyone can catch monkeypox, the outbreak was largely concentrated among men who had sex with men.

That outbreak was brought under control by vaccinating vulnerable groups.

On Tuesday, scientists from the Africa Centres for Disease Control and Prevention declared a public health emergency.

The head of the organisation, Jean Kaseya, warned that this current outbreak could spiral out of control if immediate steps were not taken to contain it.

"We must be proactive and aggressive in our efforts to contain and eliminate this threat," he said.

Additional reporting by Alex Smith


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg35w27gzno

I don't see the death rate of this strain to be something alarming. As with all such things it deserves keeping an eye on but I don't see it as anything to be alarmed about at this juncture.

I read another article that said death rates were as high as 4% in some areas. Regardless, seems a bit premature to declare a global emergency.

It certainly does. I just think the WHO tries to air on the side of caution in such cases. The problem is when they do that it scares and alarms the hell out of people who don't actually do anything but read a headline. I'm certainly not trying to open up a huge covid discussion here but this paints an example of what I'm saying. When covid first hit hard they really didn't know exactly how and by what different methods it was being spread.

As a result they issued precautions that covered several ways it may be being spread just to cover all of the bases. They weren't sure if it was being transferred by touch as an example. So they warned that we should continually wash your hands and surfaces. As it turned out some of the warnings they put out in the beginning were not needed. But until enough research was done to be sure they wanted to cover all of the bases. The longer things went on the more they knew about how it was being spread.

Yep. Those were scary times. I remember there were posters on here wondering how long they should sequester their Amazon packages because they were pretty sure the product in the box had come from China. And the crazy thing is -- that wasn't such a crazy question at the time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gqr5lrpwxo

First case outside of Africa.

it must be close to presidential eletions

Yep. Alla giant conspiracy to control the masses. Biden pulling the strings....

Do I need purple?

No, but you should look at the headlines. Trump? Bad, in every single one of them. (normal, of course)

Harris? Gonna stop inflation. Gonna fix this, and that, and everything else.

Same as it ever was.

You haven't been paying attention.

Sadly, I have. Move on.

Now try backing that up or you move on. Who said she was going to stop inflation? I'll give you a hint. Nobody. She did just unveil an economic plan to try to and help fix the economy. Just like every other politician running for president has done. Every presidential candidate has come out with a platform as to where they stand on the issues and their plans to try and address them.

I think you're just another one of those frustrated people that thought you had this election in the bag and now you're upset because some black woman may very well upset your apple cart.

Same as it ever was.

Maybe if you could get trump to focus on his platform instead of calling people names and being fixated on crowd sizes he would present his plans too.

So, she just all of a sudden came up with a plan, after 3 1/2 years?

Please, dude, take you loss and just fade away. You look rather ....uh, ignorant, really. Nothing new.

Can you tell me at any time where the Vice President of The United States has ever been in charge or responsible for coming up with a presidential administrations economic plan?

I'm not the one who brought up ignorance but.......

The loss comes up with the fact that you can't back up your initial claim and somehow you think a vice president is the one who sets the economic plan of an administration.

I have no idea why you always dig these holes for yourself to have to climb out of.

Actually, jack, if a vice president had a plan to do ANYTHING good, the president would have followed it.

But what you're saying is "kamala has this secret plan that she won't share with the president to help this country. She's keeping this secret plan secret."

Come on, you're looking like a fool. par for the course I guess.

What planet are you from? It was no part of her job to address or form the economic policy of the Biden administration.


And you are trying to pretend that somehow it's the job of the vice president to form, plan and implement a presidents administration economic plan.


Looking like a fool? I guess Mike Pence never had a good idea either or trump would have listened to to him rather than have him being threatened with being hanged.

Paging Mike Pence!

This must be your way of telling us you have no idea how a presidential administration works without telling us you have no idea how a presidential administration works.

I'll give you just one more hint.....

Look up Biden Economic advisor and Counsel of economic advisors to see who it is biden has worked with on the economy. Or continue making yourself look foolish. Your choice.

You're so far gone it isn't even funny.

If harris had a plan, and biden didn't listen to it? Yo boy sucks worse than we thought. If she had a plan and didn't share it with biden, you girl sucks worse than we think.

Wanna listen to past people? Check out David Walker. Past comptroller of the u.s. under several different presidents. But, his thoughts wouldn't fit in with yours.


When you know nothing other than what you are spoon fed from your precious liberal sites, you know nothing other than what you are spoon fed.

Get a life. Try deleting my name from your replies. Try looking outside your box. $100 says you can't.

What needs fixing? We've been hearing for 4 years how great bidenomics is. I thought everything was perfect.

Correct. Everything is great............pit: oops, I didn't mean that.

back on topic....

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ied-so-far/amp_articleshow/112560295.cms

Now monkey pox is found in Pakistan

You're still on another planet. Please read this slowly..................

When we're at war a president has military advisors. They are military officers, former military officers and military experts that advise a president on military matters. So you think a vice president should bust into the room when a president is having a conference with those military advisors and shout "Hey, I've got a great idea!" Of course not. That's why a president has expert military advisors and that's who he goes to for military advice.

That's how it works on a host of topics including the economy. Each president has experts in varying fields that he looks to for advice. That he uses to help establish policies. The people biden looked to for his economic policies have decades of experience specifically in economics. That's what real leaders are supposed to do. Find people that are experts to look to for guidance.

But then that would have been easy for you to figure out had you actually bothered to investigate how these things have worked for decades under both republican and democratic administrations instead of throwing a meaningless tantrum.

A continuation of your tantrum over something I never said. Bravo!

Just providing some context.

Jared Bernstein, the chair of the Council of Economic Advisors, isn't actually a trained economist. His degrees were in music and social work.

He has worked as an "economist," (primarily at a liberal think tank, though briefly at the Department of Labor) but he brings/has brought a more "socialist" approach to economics than the norm for the position.

He was narrowly approved for the position 50-49.

Actually, I would expect the vice president to be in on any such meetings. You don't?

So you're saying the democrats lean more on liberal economists and republicans lean on more conservative economists. For some reason I'm not surprised by that.

It's more he's even more "left" of typical democrat selected economic advisors at that position, and I'm not surprised by it either.

Jason Furman, who held the chair under Obama, actually had a PhD in economics. The social work background is a bit different.

Again, I'm not saying one is better than the other. Just adding context. It isn't exactly business as usual as you tried to paint it while complaining about people not bothering to investigate.

What I wouldn't expect is a vice president to try and try and interject into a meeting that has more expert people in the room. If you think you can find a candidate that's an expert in everything rather than listen and get guidance from those than know more than they do on a particular topic keep supporting who you support now because that's what you'll get. A person who only appoints yes men and listens to nobody else.

Very jaded context.


He has been working in the economic sector since 1992. That's 32 years experience. You can say where he worked and hint that he's not qualified as such but 32 years experience working in the economic sector says differently.

In 1992, Bernstein started working as a senior official at the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), a liberal think tank with a focus on issues affecting low- and middle-income working people. From 1995 to 1996, he served in the United States Department of Labor as deputy chief economist. He then returned to the EPI, as senior economist and director of the Living Standards Program, until he was selected by Biden. He is a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. From 2009 to 2011, Bernstein was the chief economist and economic adviser to Vice President Joe Biden in the Obama administration.

So, you (not YOU, per se) have this wonderful plan to fix whatever, and you're supposed to sit in on a meeting with the experts, and not bounce your plan off of them? Get their input?

I'm sure someone such as yourself would ramble on in front of expert economists who have decades of experience because you think you know more than they do or have some major economic ideas none of them know about. So you think this is all Kamala's plan? Or do you think she too has economic advisors she used in developing her economic policies? This is how smart people work. They surround themselves with experts in different fields and use their expertise to develop their proposals and specific platforms on different topics. Such as but excluded to the military, the economy and foreign policy.

But I understand how you now believe one man is an expert in everything who listens to no one. That's just not how normal administrations of either party have worked in the past.

First, I never said 1 man is an expert.

Second, at least you DO agree Harris should be sitting in on these meetings, even though you didn't use those words.

Third, HARRIS has said she has this great plan to fix the economy. Where was this plan before? When did she and her experts come up with it, and why wasn't it discussed and put in place prior?

Yet you suggest she should be interjecting herself into meetings between the president and his advisors on a topic the president didn't ask her opinion on. Not only did he not ask her to interject, he has specific people he appointed to confer with on the economy.


I think that would depend on the duties of that time period and what assignment the president has her working at the time. She doesn't dictate what her job is. She doesn't dictate her schedule or where she is at any given time as vice president. The president is her boss. Being a business owner I'm sure you understand that an employee doesn't dictate what they do at any given time.


Because setting economic policy of an administration is not the job of a vice president. Once you are a candidate to be president it's your job to tell the American people what your economic plan is. As I said in my previous post. You don't think Kamala has economic experts she is working with to have developed her economic plan? She has only been a presidential candidate for less than four weeks. How much more quickly do you think she should have been able to meet and develop economic policies than that?

I'm still amazed you seem so confused by all of this and how this actually works.

I'm amazed at how dense some can be, yes.

If an employee comes to me and says "Hey, why don't we try this? It will make us better and more efficient." Yup, I'm listening to them.

You, on the other hand, appear to think a vice president is supposed to sit in the shadows and say nothing.





Bottom line? Her "plan" is just like every single politicians plan: A joke.

Oh, one last question that you'll avoid: If Bidenomics is working so great, why does she even need a "plan" to fix it?

Does that mean you get it now?


No, here's what I think. If you personally assembled and sitting in a room full of engineers telling you what's required to make a building stable, I'm not going to promote that one of my workers who has very little to no experience in building structural integrity start giving me their opinion on some other way to go about it. That's why I assembled a room full of engineers.


To some degree every candidates plans are a joke. Most of their plans have to get passed through the legislature which is a difficult task. And then they have to be right on every part of that plan. And in each case their experts often come up with very different plans. They certainly can't all be right. And while I haven't looked into the details of the entire plan there is already one part of it I think is very flawed. Then there's the purely political angle which I'll touch on later in this post.


Why would I avoid it? It seems as though once again you have made a mistake that was simply created based on an ASSumption.

After covid every nation in Europe and all of our trading partners had a huge inflation rate. It was a global issue and not a Biden issue. But the GOP tried to get people to look through a microscope instead of a telescope so they wouldn't see and recognize that. And it worked. The same thing would have happened no matter who the president was. The question isn't whether it would happen because it was going to happen any way you look at it. What's important is how you react to it. And while I'm not enough of an expert in economics myself to say with any assurance that he did it perfectly, the results in how it was dealt with have been positive.

Inflation has steadily went down. Last month it had worked its way down steadliy to 3%. The increase in jobs created has been unprecedented. The stock market has continued to rise at a very brisk pace. All very positive things considering all we keep hearing is doom and gloom.

So I don't know that Kamala has a better plan. You are not alone on questioning some of the things she unveiled. Some of it, as is true with all politicians is pandering to her base. The thing is, I understand all politicians are politicians. I don't claim only one side plays such political games. Trump says some damned crazy things to pander to his base and you'll see that Kamala does the same thing. It's what they all do. This isn't some gotchya moment arch.

J/C

There is a vaccine available for Monkey Pox. Just saying.

Just saying, she helped vote for several tie breaker decisions. There was a main one on the inflation reduction act, which actually prolonged inflation due to an increase in the money supply. She voted for that and it wasn't a good look. But then again, she doesn't know how economics works.

The inflation reduction act was signed in august of 2022. The inflation rate was 8.3%. As of last month, just less than two years later, the inflation rate was 2.9%. Results mean something.

The Inflation Reduction Act Climate Change Funding Act has little to nothing to do with inflation going down.

My response was to the accusation it kept inflation high. Which it certainly did not as you can see by the decrease in inflation since it was signed into law. That's what those results mean and I never stated otherwise.

Gotcha. I was just skimming, my bad.