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I don't follow the Cowboys. In fact I make a point of not following them.

I think Jerry Jones must contribute to the 401k plans of ESPN and NFL Network because they never shut up about them.

I think Dak is a good QB. Lamb a good receiver. Parsons a good linebacker. Other than that they always seem to be like a soap opera of drama queens.

I feel really good about our defense. Unsure about the offense.

If someone has a firm grip on match-ups please chime in.

I just want to win and am excited about the start of the season. I came close to missing this season and all future ones. So, I am happy to be watching.

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I watch every single Dallas game - Lamb and Dak have been on my fantasy team for 4 years.

Here's what you need to know:

- Their offense is high paced and high flying (luckily we aren't playing them in Dallas). They can score in bunches through the air ... but their run game is a big question mark this season with new parts and some injuries.

- The guy I worry about beyond Lamb? Definitely Ferguson - stud TE. Probably going to be a top 3-4 guy in the NFL this year.

- Their kicker is by far the best in the league - he's automatic inside 65 (and he's actually never missed a kick yet)

- Their defense is banged up right now - lost a CB and DE. But Parsons is a game wrecker. That's why our OTs are so important this game.

- I don't have a good feel for how we will guard them or if we'll be able to block them up front ... those will determine our success


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I'm not sure how firm the grip is, but I've got some impressions.

They've added some young guys on the OL who are somewhat unproven, but Guyton, Tyler Smith, and Beebe have some throwing guys out the club type clips in the running game. They've looked pretty good in the preseason. I'm slightly concerned Rico Dowdle could have a big game between the tackles, and even Zeke might be able to find room. Of course, Guyton wasn't facing Myles in the preseason.

The defensive interior seems to be a concern as I've seen some bigger Cowboys guys on X wonder if Ika might be an upgrade. Without Chubb, I'm not sure how much we'll be able to take advantage. Our guys we have seem to prefer bouncing it outside. Hopefully, it will mean a firm pocket to step into, and concerns will mean LBs filling hard leaving voids for Njoku on play action.

The Daron Bland injury is pretty big. They might end up starting a rookie opposite Diggs at outside CB. Unfortunately, they've got perhaps the best DB coach in the league in Al Harris.

Parsons and Lawrence vs our tackles is not an ideal matchup. We could need the defense to put some points on the board.

Could be an ugly, low scoring affair. ...or not, you never know in week 1.


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With all the limitations on practice by the NFLPA hard to know how any team will start.

Especially offensively because more time is required for the offense to be in sync.

The team has been so limited with all the minor injuries that full team practice has been non-existent.

IMO the defense will be be better prepared to start the season.

Defense is based upon pressure, pressure, pressure. P R E S S U R E. If we can put the heat on Dak we will win this game.

Dak will give us chances to get turnovers. Win the turnover battle and the war is easier.

I like us at home in this game.

What I hope to see is DW having a positive impact on offense.

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I'm not sure that is 100% true for all teams. While there is turnover on every roster, O's that have the same coaching in place, running the same system, with most of the same key contributors on O in place certainly have an element of familiarity and fluidity that teams which do not have all of those elements must face which present a bigger obstacle. I feel that such offenses that I have described only needed some practice to reestablish that timing and are already pretty much "in sync".


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It’s going to be a tough game.

I think it will go down to the wire. A true coin toss game.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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All I know is myself, wife, Sooga and her fiancee will be there. (he's a cowboys fan)

And I've explained to him if the Browns win, he'll have a very quiet ride home. If the Browns don't win, he'll have a very quiet ride home.

I hope for a good game. With a W for the Browns, obviously.

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1.5 weeks gents!

The last time we played them, at their house, OBJ saved us with that end-around as Dak was making a comeback.

This one will be decided by a fg.

Man, I might have to splurge for tix! Gonna be a great one!

Have to edit here… who remembers back in ‘94, E-Rock hitting Jay Novachek on the goal line as time expired.

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Even though we’re 10 days away, just reading this thread has gotten me a bit uptight. No joke.


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As a new season begins I for one feel a sense of urgency.

It seems like so much has happened to get to this point.

I am sure when AB and KS took the reins they had a vision. How they wanted to build a team. How they wanted the team to play.

2020 now seems like long ago. The whole Baker saga has been and gone. The DW trade now is going into the third year.

The players departed and the new ones added have this team with what looks like a damn good roster.

Yet this season also seems like it could go in many different directions.

Dallas is the start. The first view of who we are. I know when the game starts I will be all in.

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Originally Posted by RememberMuni
The last time we played them, at their house, OBJ saved us with that end-around as Dak was making a comeback.

It's mind-boggling how different this Browns team is from that one.


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Originally Posted by RememberMuni
Have to edit here… who remembers back in ‘94, E-Rock hitting Jay Novachek on the goal line as time expired.

Hell yeah!

Had to go to Dallas to try and beat the 11-2 reigning SB Champs, they were 10+ point favorites. And we did it! Four Stover FGs and the only TD a short pass to Michael "HeeHee" Jackson.



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Have to edit here… who remembers back in ‘94, E-Rock hitting Jay Novachek on the goal line as time expired.

Hell yeah!

Had to go to Dallas to try and beat the 11-2 reigning SB Champs, they were 10+ point favorites. And we did it! Four Stover FGs and the only TD a short pass to Michael "HeeHee" Jackson.


One of my first Browns memories. IIRC it was a Saturday afternoon game. Great ending


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Yep. Three weeks later I attended my last playoff game. I remember leaving the stadium talking with other fans -- we all knew there was no way would lose to Pittsburgh three times in one season. Not with that defense. 🤬

Ten months after that -- the ultimate gut punch.


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The current spread is Cleveland -2.5 which means Vegas is considering Dallas the slightest of favorites


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Don't you have that backwards?


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Originally Posted by FATE
Don't you have that backwards?
home teams get 3 points regardless ... it means Dallas is a .5 point favorite on a neutral field


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Ah, gotcha.


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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
I watch every single Dallas game - Lamb and Dak have been on my fantasy team for 4 years.

Here's what you need to know:

- Their offense is high paced and high flying (luckily we aren't playing them in Dallas). They can score in bunches through the air ... but their run game is a big question mark this season with new parts and some injuries.

- The guy I worry about beyond Lamb? Definitely Ferguson - stud TE. Probably going to be a top 3-4 guy in the NFL this year.

- Their kicker is by far the best in the league - he's automatic inside 65 (and he's actually never missed a kick yet)

- Their defense is banged up right now - lost a CB and DE. But Parsons is a game wrecker. That's why our OTs are so important this game.

- I don't have a good feel for how we will guard them or if we'll be able to block them up front ... those will determine our success

What Browns WR do you think could be the biggest beneficiary with DaRon Bland out?


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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
I watch every single Dallas game - Lamb and Dak have been on my fantasy team for 4 years.

Here's what you need to know:

- Their offense is high paced and high flying (luckily we aren't playing them in Dallas). They can score in bunches through the air ... but their run game is a big question mark this season with new parts and some injuries.

- The guy I worry about beyond Lamb? Definitely Ferguson - stud TE. Probably going to be a top 3-4 guy in the NFL this year.

- Their kicker is by far the best in the league - he's automatic inside 65 (and he's actually never missed a kick yet)

- Their defense is banged up right now - lost a CB and DE. But Parsons is a game wrecker. That's why our OTs are so important this game.

- I don't have a good feel for how we will guard them or if we'll be able to block them up front ... those will determine our success

What Browns WR do you think could be the biggest beneficiary with DaRon Bland out?
I would have expected him to cover Jeudy


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I watch every single Dallas game - Lamb and Dak have been on my fantasy team for 4 years.

Here's what you need to know:

- Their offense is high paced and high flying (luckily we aren't playing them in Dallas). They can score in bunches through the air ... but their run game is a big question mark this season with new parts and some injuries.

- The guy I worry about beyond Lamb? Definitely Ferguson - stud TE. Probably going to be a top 3-4 guy in the NFL this year.

- Their kicker is by far the best in the league - he's automatic inside 65 (and he's actually never missed a kick yet)

- Their defense is banged up right now - lost a CB and DE. But Parsons is a game wrecker. That's why our OTs are so important this game.

- I don't have a good feel for how we will guard them or if we'll be able to block them up front ... those will determine our success

What Browns WR do you think could be the biggest beneficiary with DaRon Bland out?
I would have expected him to cover Jeudy

I'm not sure how it will work. I wouldn't have expected Jeudy (I think Jeudy will be in the slot with Cooper and Tillman outside primarily, with some mixing it up), but it's hard to guess. I haven't paid enough attention to Zimmer's D to know if he has corners follow specific receivers or mainly stick to a particular side. How/if he tries to cover for the replacement could also be a factor. Does he tilt extra safety help that way or play more zone coverage to not expose him to one on one man?

I'm actually kind of wondering if Ford could be the biggest beneficiary. With Parsons potentially applying quick pressure, dump offs and making a depleted CB corps tackle in space could be the play.

Could be the Tostitos offense for our RBs and TEs. Chip and dip. Delayed leaks into the flat.


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I'm actually kind of wondering if Ford could be the biggest beneficiary.

I think Ford will be a beneficiary simply by how much he might be used. Not only in snaps, but in the passing game referring to your dump offs) as well. I just think they'd prefer to use him as much as possible over Foreman and Strong. That said, I'm curious what the Browns do if they get to goal line situations and if they use Foreman for more for this.


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I'm actually kind of wondering if Ford could be the biggest beneficiary.

I think Ford will be a beneficiary simply by how much he might be used. Not only in snaps, but in the passing game referring to your dump offs) as well. I just think they'd prefer to use him as much as possible over Foreman and Strong. That said, I'm curious what the Browns do if they get to goal line situations and if they use Foreman for more for this.
I think Foreman will basically be what Hunt was last year. short yardage/goal line back


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I believe Nojku will benefit. The safeties will have issues contending with Moore, Cooper, and Jeudy. Ford is another person if Watson is given time.

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I think the whole observations on the Cowboys lack of
running game would be valid if it were 1984 or 1977.
But it's 2024. It's a passing 1st league. The running game
is just a complimentary piece
If the running game was everything the Browns would
Have a SB under Stefanski
I think the key is obviously to keep tight coverage on Lamb
Make Prescott hold the ball longer than he wants
I can see a low scoring game on both sides
Dorseys offense is still a work In progress
Conklin will have his hands full with Parsons. He is game
Wrecker. No Deron Bland is a big advantage for the Browns
Jeudy should feast

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I really think it comes down to which version of DW shows up vs which version of Prescott shows up. It'll be close if they both can play well, or if they both stink up the joint. If one of them staggers while the other is on par, I think it'll make a decisive victory.

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They have the better QB, we have the better defense due to their injuries

Similar run games at the moment

It will be a close game


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
They have the better QB, we have the better defense due to their injuries

Similar run games at the moment

It will be a close game
We have the better defense period. I agree that they have a better QB. I have no idea what Cook has left. If he plays like he did last year we have a better run game. One thing you didn’t mention is oline. They are starting two rookies and a bad RT.


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I believe in the defense.

They will carry the day.

Pressure creates turnovers. Winning the turnover game wins games.

We will do enough on offense.

When the defense rules the offense gets more opportunities.

I like our chances.

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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
They have the better QB, we have the better defense due to their injuries

Similar run games at the moment

It will be a close game
We have the better defense period. I agree that they have a better QB. I have no idea what Cook has left. If he plays like he did last year we have a better run game. One thing you didn’t mention is oline. They are starting two rookies and a bad RT.

Do we know who we're starting at OT? Or how healthy they are?

Steele might be better than you think, and their rookies could be good.

I do think our D Line should challenge them regardless. My question is just do we give up some big plays.

We'll see how the QBs shake out.

Hopefully Dorsey is a better fit with Watson than AVP.


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As expected. Wills did practice today, however.


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That's not good news. It seems that once again they may have to depend on Jones to pay dividends like he did last year at one of the OT positions.


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JW said he won't be starting this Sunday. I guess he wasn't at liberty to tell us why.

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Willis not playing is good news . Why? Cause he on his best day
Is a average LT who lacks fire and love for the Game
He is big cuddlely teddy bear who has been a huge bust

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IIRC, Wills was the reason Jack Conklin got hurt last year too. Obviously unintentional but it did happen.

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Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
Willis not playing is good news . Why? Cause he on his best day
Is a average LT who lacks fire and love for the Game
He is big cuddlely teddy bear who has been a huge bust

Who on the current roster is a better LT? Now you could argue that Conklin might be but there's no evidence that's true. And if you start Conklin at LT then Jones becomes your starting TR. So the argument then becomes is the combination of Conklin at LT and Jones at RT better than the combination of Wills at LT and Conklin at RT? I think it would be pretty hard to make that argument that the combination of Conklin and Jones is the better option.

It's all fine and well to dislike a player. But you yourself admitted Wills is "an average LT." So who else on the roster is an "average LT"?


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Slightly off-topic...

If we start Conklin at LT and Jones at RT with Wills out of the lineup, can that be construed at the FO and coaching staff believing Jones is only a RT?


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Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
Willis not playing is good news . Why? Cause he on his best day
Is a average LT who lacks fire and love for the Game
He is big cuddlely teddy bear who has been a huge bust

Unfortunately, he's still significantly better than the backups we'd put out there in his place.


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