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I think one must consider that's part of their job. I mean what would you expect them to say if watson doesn't look good? That he sucks, looks terrible or isn't good?

Players usually never undermine their teammates and the coaches certainly can't undermine a QB the FO coughed up all of that capital for. I'm not trying to say they see watson in a negative light. Maybe none of them can see what we see. Even though I highly doubt that. I'm saying that as a coach it's your job to support the players and especially in the public eye and as a good teammate you don't undermine other players on your team. No matter what you're seeing.

I don’t need to watch the Warner video. I have eyes.

Having eyes is a wonderful thing. The problem is when watching the game on TV you don't have the camera angles to see all of the WR's running their routes simultaneously. There is a lot to be learned from having the overhead views of so many plays that you can actually break them down.

and yet the OC feels it's OK to blame the WRs? I agree with you - the coaches/players should keep things positive to the media ... but isn't that kind of hypocritical to say that for the QB but not other positions

That's why I posted this.....


What Dorsey said in regards to the WR's was unusual, counterproductive and divisive. It makes no sense and if that approach continues it can only backfire on him.

I agree. Not sure why he said it because it clearly wasn't an accurate statement.

I agree. Why would you make a statement like that when the video shows it's a falsehood? So now we can tick off the WR's and cause more animosity. Don't they think of the consequences before they make a statement?

In the video Warner did make clear he was speaking as to how he sees things, but has no knowledge of the actual play call or inside information on what is going on. The deep shot to Cooper, as an example, he talked about were he would go differently, but did say that Watson may have been told take this shot regardless. If that is the case Cooper might have been told you need to make the play.

There is grey area here we don't know, but it does seem like most of what happened was on Watson, so calling out receivers seems weird.

I certainly agree with you that Warner's opinion on what the actual progressions were on each individual play was purely speculative. What was obvious is that there were open WR's on those plays. So I think we are also pretty much in agreement with that. But that's what makes this part of Dorsey's statement seem so off base......

"We’ve got to do a couple things right this week, mainly at the receiver room winning our one-on-one matchups and that’s what we’re looking to do.”

Dorsey knows more about what the receivers did and did not do to win the one on one match ups. It could well be the open guy wasn't the guy he was talking about because the guy he is talking about wasn't open. And we don't know if Dorsey is referring to plays that Warner didn't showcase.

It is all frustrating in the end, no matter who did what or didn't do what. This felt like the worst this team has been ready since Hue Jackson.

DW played like Flipper, but worse. Can't believe I typed that.

I'm not sure but when you speak of "the WR room" it certainly appears you are referencing the group as a whole and not an individual. You may be right but that's certainly not the way it reads. What we can plainly see is that WR's were open. His response referenced the "WR room". So any way you view it, it doesn't make for a good look.

Holy hell, man, stop. I don't want to imagine Weeden behind that line. Weeden had Joe Thomas at LT every game he played in Cleveland.

Weeden would have had a dozen picks in that game and probably would have been stretchered off the field after his heart exploded from the repeated panic attacks.

Y’all can blame OBJ’s daddy and fans who couldn’t see OBJ was washed up for this mess. Said it then, saying it now, we gave up a top 15 QB to grasp at a potential top 5 QB. I get the idea, I just never thought DW was that top 5 QB.

All I know is that since the DW trade, the only games I’ve enjoyed watching were the ones played by Brissett while DW was suspended, and the ones played by Flacco last year. Even a struggling Baker would have given us that much to root for. So, i’m just ready for the DW experiment to end. And it doesn’t matter to me if he has a good game or two. If he can’t consistently be better than what we had before him, he’s not the answer.

Let me guess.....starts with "D" and ends with "epodesta"?

DTR could be a better option tomorrow. They’ll play Jameis if DW keeps playing like garbage,
and I understand why.
I find DTR to be an intriguing option, after two years as a Brown.

Allow me to elaborate: He has a good arm, makes quick decisions and can read the field.

DTR just started his second year. He was a rookie last year.

DTR? what on earth of his past leads you to believe that? his 53% completion ? or his 1 TD to 4 interceptions. Or maybe his 51 rating for the season.. Come on now. I get not getting the best version of watson, but he has proven in his career to be 100x better than DTR has shown. I hope Watson balls out tomorrow so all this nonsense can stop

Watson will have to play like he did this past Sunday for at least 5-6 weeks in a row for the Browns brass to consider benching him. Once they do, it's over. There is no coming back. This is a decision that will come from ownership and will be completely out of Stefanski's hands. Way too much invested for the FO and ownership to throw in the towel on Watson.

Watson and the Browns will likely find success against the dregs of the league like NYG, LVR and WAS to give the Halsams and the FO a false sense of hope.

Would love to be wrong, but this seems predictable. This has the feeling of the 2021 season all over again.

I repeat, every "experiment" the Browns attempt has a source where the idea/experiment originates.

Let's go back to 2014, the Browns decided to embark upon a new direction with a new "experiment"...in 2012 the Browns new owner (Jimmy Haslam) took over and by 2014 the Browns decided they had seen enough of QB, Weeden and drafted a new QB, Manziel.

Someone in management put the Browns stamp of approval on the franchise's new "QB experiment", drafting Manziel at #26 in 2014.

jfan, btw, the D-guy wasn't a member of the Browns in 2014.

Who is in charge of judging the football talent for the Browns..?...can anyone answer that question..?

Oh, they can always play the shoulder injury for a path back. "Well Mary Kay, he aggravated that throwing shoulder in the third quarter so we thought it best to get him out of there. He's week to week right now."

DTR isn't even the #2 QB on the depth chart. Winston is.

I can answer it. EVERYBODY.

It's a team effort form AB on down the line if you need a few names

Catherine Hickman Assistant GM & Vice President of Football Operations
Bob Quinn Senior Personnel/ Coaching Executive
Jimmy Raye III Senior Executive Advisor to the GM
Tyler Hamblin Director of Football Operations
Joy Tapajcik Director of Football Operations & Process
Hunter Carson Football Operations Assistant
Chris Polian


Mike Cetta Director, Scouting Research
Zach Wigmore Scouting Research Coordinator
Hajriz Aliu Scouting Assistant
Will Black Scouting Assistant
Ryan Conway Scouting Assistant
Elisha Guidry Scouting Assistant
Tyler Habursky Scouting Assistant
Nick Henkel Scouting Assistant
Sam Secrest Scouting Assistant
Josh Temple Scouting Assistant



Glenn Cook Assistant GM & Vice President of Player Personnel
Ken Kovash Vice President, Player Personnel Process & Development
Megan Rock Personnel Operations Director
Dan Saganey Director, Player Personnel
Kathleen Wood Scouting/Personnel Assessment & Development
Debra Kruszynski Manager, Travel and Compliance
Jack Slatery Player Personnel Assistant


Adam Al-Khayyal Director, Pro Scouting
D'Qwell Jackson Pro Scout
Greg Livingston Pro Scout
Alice Sullivan Pro Scout/Contract Analyst


Max Paulus Director, College Scouting
Zach Ayers National Scout
Chris Buford National Scout
John Nussman Scout, NFS
Josh Cox Area Scout
Matt Donahoe Area Scout
Josh Lucas Area Scout
Gerald McCully Area Scout
Shawn Heinlen Area Scout
Cyrus Wolford Area Scout
Dan Zegers Area Scout


Do I need to include all the coaches names as well for you?

It's a total team effort in Cleveland now. They are all involved, but no matter how many times you type otherwise it does not change that fact. AB has the final say and it falls on his shoulders, but they involve everybody,it's a total team effort good or bad.

Disagree here. If Watson plays like he did last week even one more week they’ll pull the plug somehow. This isn’t the old Browns who have no shot. This is a contender if they get good QB play and coaching.

Hell, they’ll make something up. No say no how this goes 5, 6 games unless they are somehow winning them.

Watson will not be the QB next year. The sooner the band aid is ripped off the better.

They should model their organization after the 9ers, not the old Browns.

I agree Rish. 5-6 games of the way he played last week and our season is over.

I don't actually believe that he can play that poorly two weeks in a row. I think the question is how much improvement will we see? And I won't attempt to answer that question.

I also am expecting to see some improvement. Hopefully a lot but I really don't know. He played like PJ Walker last week.

Don’t insult PJ like that.

If this first drive of the game is an indicator of things to come from Watson, meaning smart athletic play with quick reads and sharp throws… then I fully expect him to get the hammer dropped on him by the NFL. Because that’d be the most Browns’ thing to happen.

Watson did just enough to keep the starting role in week 2. Progress. We still have a long way to go before we scare anybody.

They're scaring somebody US!!!!

He did a decent job today. Amare didn’t do him any favors with those drops.

I know that. I just think he’d be a better option than JW. I believe he’s better than some on here think.

100%.

I think he should be the starter.

He seems to read things fast, and has a quick release and had good timing with his throws.

I’ve only watched him play in pre-season, except for the game he played last year, and I’m no expert, but I have some faith in him. If he had to start next week I wouldn’t bat an eyelash.

Trades like this happen when the organization takes a QB at #1 and a real franchise QB josh Allen is selected a few picks later.

He has shown absolutely nothing to show that.. I don't get the DTR love. Hes barely a number 3. He's a project at this point. Hope he pans out but if he had to start tomorrow, we'd be in a world of hurt.. JW has thrown for 5k yards in a season, has more Td's than picks, has thrown for 22k yards and has an almost 90 QBR for his career. If DTR is starting ahead of him, its because JW is hurt.