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Losing.

That very-well could be...there were also rumors that AB was looking into DW in October as well. THEN he spent the off-season publicly supporting Baker as THE guy going forward...all while courting DW. The crap-fest started when those things ^ became public...as started by AB.

If AB thought DW was a good fit for a KS offense...well...he didn't know what he was looking at/for. If AB didn't think Baker was a legit NFL winning QB...well...that hasn't played out like he thought either. AB's teams have had glaring issues in each season...be it at WR...DT...backup QB...DT again...how many things does he have to get wrong before the seat starts to heat up? FWIW...I like AB...I like the sanity that he helped bring to CLE...but his talent evaluation skills fall far short of his ability to spend $$$.

What I still find funny is that all of this conversation wouldn't even be happening if we would have drafted Allen instead of Baker which we ALMOST did.

True that - idiot Dorsey screwed the pooch with his lust for Baker.

the fact that we have to pay a max type contract to a few individuals really limits our depth - and we are seeing that on the OL right now

We really need the guys like Emerson, Zinter, Jones, Bell, Tillman to outperform their draft slots ... and that's not an easy proposition

Tampa Bay didn't.

Allen would have been driven out his first year with struggles. This fanbase has zero patience. Mayfield was on fire his rookie year, damn near winning ROY, and the fanbase grumbled. Trading Baker away to get Watson was the dumbest move this franchise has ever made that I can recall. Called it stupid then and now.

Yeah that idiot Dorsey..lol. Bet KC really hate him for Drafting Kelce, PM, Chris Jones, Tyreek Hill.. Berry in all his drafts haven't drafted a single player even remotely close to any of them.. Add in Chubb, Mayfield and Ward, countless others and being a huge reason Detroit is finally good again. Anyone that thinks that Mayfield was the problem still, after all we've seen.. will never see it for what it is

Thats the problem though, when his main job is to bring in players to help win. AB has not done that. I think they rely too much on analytics that aren't translating to game performance. While missing inherent traits like leadership, passion, drive. We don't a single player on this team that has any of those things with the exception of Chubb (thanks Dorsey). Problem is, we are winning just enough they they keep running it back with hopes it gets better, then it doesn't.. we are stuck and mired in mediocrity.

Allen was drafted by a team that made the playoffs the year before he was drafted...Allen has played for (1) Head Coach his entire NFL career. When he came into the league he couldn't throw the ball in the ocean from his beach chair. To suggest that he would have developed in CLE (in that sh&t show) as he did in BUF is laughable.

Sam Darnold was drafted by the NYJ. The NYJ were 5-11 the season before they drafted Darnold. Darnold's first head coach was fired after Darnold's 4-12 rookie season. He bounced around the league and now appears to have found stability and fit in MN. (Why does that sound so familiar?) It's hard to imagine a worse situation for a rookie QB to come into...wait...hold Baker's beer and cheesecake.

I'm not going to go into Baker's stint here...we all know it...most see the THAT in there ^ and some won't. Matters not...EXCEPT when evaluating the people who make decisions on which players they think can be successful and which ones won't. AB & Co have botched the QB position - more than once - and transformed this SB roster into an old, broken-down roster with a handful of good+ players making a crap-ton of $$$. AB's right-hand-man is killing it in MN...with Darnold. You can't make this up for a movie script.

The QB that AB & Co just HAD to have has never in his LIFE been the kind of QB who has had success in a KS offense...never. This is what happens when the smartest guys in the room don't know what they don't know.

We, the Browns community, have what is called " the Factory of Sadness"= I'd hoped, again, we were beyond that.....yet, today on 4 Oct 24 on the NFL site they ranked the QBs for all 32 teams, where was our multi-millionaire guaranteed QB rated- 28th....and spot number 32 is held my Hundley, who was in our QB room this year....WOW, now that is definitely reasons to be SAD.......Go Browns.....PS, I use to think drafting Johnny Money Manziel was worst thing we ever did.....now I'm convinced DW- his cost, money and draft picks, vs performance IS the worst thing to ever happen to Browns.

Some of what his former coach said in that article was his opinion based on what he is seeing. Normally I wouldn't take much from that. But in this case who would know the changes he sees on film any better than him? Thanks for the link.

Watson is toast. He is just as lost out there now as he was in game 1. There are no baby steps or any signs that he's getting better.

The problem is the $64 million dollar cap hit this year, next year, AND 2026

Without that I would say cut him.
Regardless he should be benched.

Caveat, I am biased.
I have been pissed off at this team ever since signed him
So, grain of salt

Bench Watson and let Winston practice all week with the first stringers. Let him start the next game. We've all seen enough of Watson.

They thought Wills would help? Why the heck would anyone think that?

We are bonded to Watson for at least 2 more seasons .... barring some salary cap magic.

P.S. I gotta add I know it's not all Watson's fault - our O line is bad and run game isn't doing much. But regardless......

I had to watch his crap today; sit him. The very last thing I want is a snappy interview where he explains where he is, what is needed, his feelings, other insights. Bench him. At least until Ski gives up play calling.

After the look in Ski’s eyes when DW walked off the field… I can’t imagine him condoning that crap.

You can’t keep sending Watson out there with the terrible results we get, ad nauseum. I get that our OL is bad, we can’t run the ball, but there comes a time you make the QB switch, just out of principle.

He misses too many easy throws.

I'm watching QB's who are considered "bad" look LIGHT YEARS better than Watson on a weekly basis. It's LAUGHABLE to continue to trot him out there

We are lucky if we get two first downs on one drive. Bench him!! It’s not all his fault but bench him anyway. He looks shell-shocked, Watson sucks. Some of you laughed when I said go the DTR route. It’s not funny now, is it?

DTR isn't the guy, but it's definitely time to make a change. There's no improvement, it's only getting worse.

It's so bad I would rather watch DTR at this point,

And we are still taking too many stupid penalties. Pre-snap. Jeudy dropped a TD pass, Cooper let a pass go through his legs, five-hole, like a goaltender in hockey. A low pass but catch the ball, AC. What was up with all the timeouts when we were on offence? 12 men on the field penalty?

This football team stinks.

I’d roll with him. How do we know he isn’t the guy?

That's just my thought, I saw enough last year to make that determination. Game plan was kept simple and conservative and he was able to operate with somewhat of a run game to help him.

This year we don't have that, it will be just as ugly as Watson. But hey, throw him out there. It can't possibly be any worse than what we're currently watching.

That’s kinda my point, psyde. What have we got to lose? He makes quick decisions and his accuracy is no worse than DW’s.

Bro, the DW trade is the worst trade in the history of American sports. This trade make the Herschel Walker trade, and Ricky Williams trade look like tiddly little mistakes. - In those cases, the respective team traded for guys with zero character issues and huge upsides. Additionally, those trades were made by teams in somewhat desperate situations looking for a savior.

The Browns traded 3 first round picks, and gave the most guaranteed money to/for a guy who was in the middle of multiple sexual assault allegations, who was certain to get suspended, who who had waaaay more character issues than Johnny Manziel.

But there’s more… this trade was made by a team that was on the up, that had recently won a playoff game, and by a team that could hang with the chiefs.

Granted, the selection of Johnny Manziel ruined the 2014, and 2015 Browns, it the Deshawn trade ruined the most talented version of the Browns since the 1960’s. I’m not kidding.

And again, what astonishes me is why in the heck they would make this trade considering all of the pending legal issues that this guy had.

Also, as a result of this trade…. Look at Houston, and look at Baker in Tampa.

This trade should be cause for the commissioner to step in and demand a sale of this team.

That would answer my prayers. Can someone set up a massage ( no towel required) for Watson.

Browns’ Kevin Stefanski: ‘We’re not changing QBs’

https://www.cbs19news.com/sports/nf...767ace4-9ca2-5944-a457-8e7b2117233b.html
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Should the Browns bench Deshaun Watson for Jameis Winston? (poll)

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...haun-watson-for-jameis-winston-poll.html

Are you kidding? First he refuses to bench Baker with his arm being held to his torso with a brace, and now refusing to bench another qb who can't play. Time and again he thinks he's outsmarting everybody by going against the grain. Sometimes the obvious staring you in the face is the right call. He's going to lose this team.

Stefanski does not have the power to bench Watson. Haslam and the Browns brass will dictate Watson continues to play. Stefanski has no organizational power as evidence by the offseason offensive staff firings that seems unwarranted.

Stefanski has always been submissive in calling the shots. This goes back to him wanting George Paton as the GM.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...entirely-comfortable-with-browns-g-m-job

It looks like Stefanski is so unprepared how to handle this failure that he don't even know what to say or what to do.