I am beginning a long process that will end sometime near the draft.
I am looking at this year's college quarterbacks that will declare for the draft.
The first pass is highlight tape. That just gives me a footprint of what the guy looks like. I watch his set up, footwork, arm mechanics, delivery, release, mobility etc. Just the initial overall impression.
Mentally I start putting guys in an order although that order can change.
So far I have seen Ewers, Sanders, Milroe, Ward and Nussmeier.
Nussmeier was the first guy I looked at. Very impressive. Really liked him and look forward to the deep dive.
Ewers and Sanders are also impressive. I loved the footwork of Ewers. He is very sound fundamentally.
Ward was so so. I need to see more of him.
Milroe is some kind of specimen. Amazing overall athlete. Big, fast, strong, big arm. He jumps off the screen with his talent. I don't know yet what kind of quarterback he is. I also listened to an interview. Impressive young man. If he has it between the ears as a decision maker. He has enormous potential.
I saw Ewers the most of any of them. I like him too. Milroe is a stud athlete, but not sure if his accuracy is an issue or not
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I’m sure we will be drafting high and will pick a QB. Whomever we pick I naturally hope he plays very well for us. I just hope we don’t ruin another guy’s career.
Whomever we pick I hope he’s finally our franchise QB. I liked Baker and was hoping he was it but he wasn’t. Baker is a decent QB but I don’t think he will ever get a team to a Super Bowl. If Josh Allen hasn’t been able to do it with the talent on some of those Bills teams, at least so far, don’t think Baker can do it. JMO and I could be proven wrong.
I’m sure we will be drafting high and will pick a QB. Whomever we pick I naturally hope he plays very well for us. I just hope we don’t ruin another guy’s career.
Whomever we draft at QB, I sincerely hope we actually develop the player because college football doesn't do that anymore. No matter who it is, we need to have a plan to get that player ready to actually play, but NOT next year.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
When April rolls around Milroe will be the first QB taken.
His skills have proven to transfer to the NFL.
He is a physical specimen. He can do everything on the field of play. What still needs to be decided is can he eventually be a quarterback who can win first from the pocket?
Right now Garrett Nussmeier is being overlooked.
This guy is really good. Ewers, Sanders, Beck, Milroe, Ward will all get attention.
Nussmeier is a guy who I believe in.
There is still over five months to be looking. So I am still undecided.
When April rolls around Milroe will be the first QB taken.
His skills have proven to transfer to the NFL.
He is a physical specimen. He can do everything on the field of play. What still needs to be decided is can he eventually be a quarterback who can win first from the pocket?
Right now Garrett Nussmeier is being overlooked.
This guy is really good. Ewers, Sanders, Beck, Milroe, Ward will all get attention.
Nussmeier is a guy who I believe in.
There is still over five months to be looking. So I am still undecided.
I would strongly suggest that the FO also factor parameters like leadership, communication skills, work ethic, hunger, determination, focus, skills to overcome adversities and not least positivity.
I’m really curious to follow your evaluation of these guys bone.
Please continue until the draft so we have a better insight what to expect when it’s time to find our new QB.
I would strongly suggest that the FO also factor parameters like leadership, communication skills, work ethic, hunger, determination, focus, skills to overcome adversities and not least positivity.
I agree with every word of that. But sometimes things like hunger, and overcoming adversity are much harder to gauge among these QB's than some of the other things you mentioned on your list.
By being in that position most of these kids haven't faced a lot of adversity. To get to where they are means they have had great success all along. If you are not a stand out athlete in high school these scholarships do not coma along. By getting such scholarships and opportunities means you have already been successful as a QB.
If you haven't been one the of the elite QB's in college you aren't considered a first round pick.
It's hard to identify hunger in someone who has never been hungry and it's hard to determine overcoming adversity from someone who has never faced adversity.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I don't want to be anywhere near the Sanders circus. I don't care if he can play or not.
Me neither. I can’t stand loudmouth Deion Sanders. Guy wants everything and everyone focused on him at all times. Horrible coach and his kid is sure to bust out as Deion becomes a huge distraction for whatever organization drafts him.
However, I would still look closely at his son. I don't think his father should be a decisive factor.
I don't know enough about his son to date. I will look at him like anyone else.
I can only study tape. I don't get to interview them or talk to those who know him.
I will listen to an interview of any quarterback I scout. Just to get a feel for how the guy comes across.
I remember when the Browns drafted Weeden and he was interviewed. I thought how could you draft him? He was such a hayseed.
I thought that guy will never command a locker room. Never.
I am totally undecided.
The guy who I have seen make the most NFL type throws from is Garrett Nussmeier. He plays from the pocket. He will deliver a pass on target with the rush in his face. He anticipates open and is accurate. I have seen him throw before the receiver break and be on the money.
I like his toughness. I have seen him make some big time throws. Off platform, rush coming, receiver in single man and he throws the guy open.
I am still very early in how I do this. I will at some point take a player and go over everything I saw from the prospect.
I will cover mostly guys who are expected to be in the first round. If I see a guy who shows me something and is expected to go later I will give an opinion.
In a Stefanski offense Carson Beck would be the best option. Plays QB in a similar fashion as Joe Flacco with some better mobility. Stefanski needs a play action back to the defense QB that compliments the run game and the ability to push the ball down the field.
Sanders is a great athlete with uncanny accuracy on the move. With that said He wants nothing to do playing in a cold climate. He also does not fit Stefanki's offense.
Ward is an incredible athlete but plays the game like Watson does. Holds the ball and uses his athleticism to extend plays and then makes WOW plays. In a Stefanski offense he would look just like a younger Watson. I am not interested.
Quinn Ewers can be a really good Pro style QB. My only issue is he is often injured in college and players that are often injured in college, and they usually are often injured in the PRO's.
Beck would be best fit for this team. Maybe Flacco signed a one-year deal with the Colts maybe he would be willing to come back for one more year to help Beck.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
In a Stefanski offense Carson Beck would be the best option. Plays QB in a similar fashion as Joe Flacco with some better mobility. Stefanski needs a play action back to the defense QB that compliments the run game and the ability to push the ball down the field.
Sanders is a great athlete with uncanny accuracy on the move. With that said He wants nothing to do playing in a cold climate. He also does not fit Stefanki's offense.
Ward is an incredible athlete but plays the game like Watson does. Holds the ball and uses his athleticism to extend plays and then makes WOW plays. In a Stefanski offense he would look just like a younger Watson. I am not interested.
Quinn Ewers can be a really good Pro style QB. My only issue is he is often injured in college and players that are often injured in college, and they usually are often injured in the PRO's.
Beck would be best fit for this team. Maybe Flacco signed a one-year deal with the Colts maybe he would be willing to come back for one more year to help Beck.
I don't think Berry would draft either Ewers or Beck. Not his kind of QB.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Frankly, the NFL has proven that evaluation of quarterbacks is not a strong suit.
Way more misses than success.
Somebody in this class will be good. We just have to find out who that is.
I agree. Unless that once every ten years guy is sitting there and you are lucky enough to have the chance to draft him, it's more like teams stumble in to a good QB.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
By the time the draft happens there will be guys getting the full hype train.
"The next Great ."
The thing is in most cases everybody is wrong. It is mind blowing how many misses there are in picking quarterbacks.
The list is too long to even bring up. Successes are rare.
What is overlooked in the search for a quarterback is:
Who is the greatest quarterback evaluator? Who has been right the most times?
If there is so much failure trying to identify a college quarterback who will be a great pro.
Then maybe the process needs to be looked at and changed.
If I were Jimmy right now I would be looking at how to be better at evaluation.
Thinking out loud. My approach would be to assemble a committee. It could include retired GM's. College broadcasters. Former quarterbacks. Guys like Trent Dilfer. Not him specifically but former qb's still involved in the game. The Mannings, Simms, Warner. Look around and figure out whose opinion is respected by others.
I would like to try to trade back to stockpile ammo for the next year.
In the meantime, we have a bunch of rebuilding we need to do (OT, OG, WR, TE) in order to accommodate a rookie QB.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
.... we have a bunch of rebuilding we need to do (OT, OG, WR, TE) in order to accommodate a rookie QB.
We are OK at OG and TE. A #1 WR and a starting quality LOT (moving Wills and Dawand Jones to ROT) are essential. We must fix this Oline before sticking a rookie QB under center. And speaking of an OC, we really could use a topflite one. I'm not sold on drafting a QB in the 1st round and would depend on what we could do in FA, if anything. My primary concerns are the Oline and all levels of the coaching staff.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
I would like to try to trade back to stockpile ammo for the next year..
I believe we have much more talent than our record indicates. If we could fill a couple of glaring holes (LOT, WR) and get quality coaching and leadership, I feel we could jump back into contention within a year or two. If we were to have a fire sale or as you suggested, trading down, we would be looking at a 5 year rebuild. I don't see that as necessary....JMHO
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When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
I believe we have much more talent than our record indicates.
I actually do as well. I have a hard time believing certain areas of strength regressed as much as the last 6 games would indicate. That's kinda why I posted in the other thread about being curious how the offense looks going forward with another QB and potentially going back to the ol' Stefanski offense. I also just want to stockpile draft ammo to go get a legit QB.
I do think we need another legit TE. Njoku is a weapon but it felt like we were suddenly hurting when he was out. With our WR corps being what it is, having another strong TE option would be a boon (especially if we end up scrapping this spread offense stuff we're trying).
I agree with you in terms of the tackles with the exception of some more viable depth. I do think we need to make some more investment at the guard spot because Teller has regressed over the past few seasons and Bitonio isn't getting younger. I don't think the line as a whole (even tackles) is quite as bad as they've been showing lately.
I know this isn't a popular opinion right now, but I don't want a full FO takedown. I like Stefanski as a coach and I like his system. I would argue that we haven't gotten him "his" QB to really make this offense hum. I also just don't like it when we start a FO makeover because we inevitably sell good talent that doesn't fit our new systems for pennies on the dollar and the reboot ends up taking longer than promised. Much like selecting a QB, we never seem to do rebuilds right. I could probably be convinced into doing something with Berry's current role. Unfortunately, it feels like the root cause for the real issue is above both of these guys. Haslam and/or Depo... and my money is on Haslam.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Depends on who you have chosen to blame for those losses; the HC, FO, owner caused losses by poor game planning and scripting, lame roster, bad trades, lousy contracts; or, losses result of bad play, player prep and indifference, flags, lousy attitude. The good news is we have all these in the spotlight to be fixed! We have met the enemy and he is us! Huzzah! Much upside we have.
The bad news is that these two sides of the problem coin are not mutually exclusive, they do not absolve anyone of blame and personal responsibility, and the list isn't complete. These problems will come to our games, and they will invite their friends to come with them. Who to blame, who to accuse? I think it is like WB Yeats: "How can we separate the dancer from the dance?" Maybe Cooper managed it.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Scouting games: Scouts attend college games to observe players in action. Watching film: Scouts watch film of players to learn more about their strengths and weaknesses. Interviewing players and coaches: Scouts interview players and coaches to learn more about their character traits, such as leadership skills, work ethic, and attitude. Analyzing data: Scouts use analytics to analyze a player's physical attributes, such as speed, agility, and strength. Position-level drills: Scouts and other league personnel oversee position-level drills at events like the NFL Scouting Combine, club pro days, and other league events. Medical exams: Players undergo medical exams at the NFL Scouting Combine. Character and personality assessments: Scouts conduct assessments of a player's character and personality, also known as a "deep dig". Background checks: Scouts conduct formal background checks on players. Learning assessments: Scouts conduct learning assessments on players.
Technology has also enabled scouts to track players’ performance in real time, allowing them to make informed decisions on the spot. Video analysis tools allow scouts to review game footage quickly and easily, enabling them to identify potential players with greater accuracy. Virtual reality simulations are also being used by some teams as a way of assessing a player’s skills without having them physically present at a tryout or practice session.
Draft Boards are built.
The draft board typically includes 100–130 names, and each team's board is unique. Some teams use color-coded grades to indicate a player's draft round.
IMO the Browns need to look at their process closely and look for ways to improve it.
An example might be something like position experts. People who have been successful developing position players might be brought in to give an opinion on players being looked at from their area of expertise.
Evaluation of draft prospects is the single most important job that an NFL team does. There are always ways to improve.
It's this simple. If you get a top 5-10 draft pick and the QB you want is there, you take him. And the reason why is simple and basic.
Where will you be drafting next year? 14th, 16th? You take the opportunity you have and not just "hope" that same opportunity will be there next year. It's not as if you have to start the rookie QB you just drafted. Let's say the Browns only win 3 games this season. That may put the Browns with a top 5 pick in the draft. And the Browns may win 6 or 7 games next year. So where will you be next year in terms of drafting a top QB?
No, if and when you think you have the perfect opportunity to draft "the guy" you draft "the guy". Because you never know how long it will be before that opportunity comes along again.
Or do people think the Browns should just buy another QB? Even that can't be done as long as they're still paying off watson's contract.
Now that doesn't mean you just draft a QB to go through the motions of drafting a QB. But if a kid you're sold on is sitting there, you take him.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
But I totally agree that then you go after the guy.
No point in trying to guess where you will be.
I remember the Mahomes draft. KC with Dorsey as GM traded up to 10th and drafted Mahomes.
We had three first round picks. Myles, Peppers, and Njoku. We were in the QB hunt. Trubisky went second. Lots of people wanted to draft the Mentor kid.
I loved Mahomes. He was perceived a lot like Josh Allen very raw. But what we see now. He was doing it in college.
I didn't think Baker was a bad pick. I thought Allen had more upside but it would take time for him to develop.
We need to find the right guy in this coming draft.
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