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Here’s some new data I found for you. When Trump said “root out the enemies from within, he was talking about using peaceful, democratic methods (primary voting, general election voting, etc )Another nail in the coffin of your deflections.

You missed that he mention people like Pelosi and Shift as two of the enemies within.


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BS is not data.

So word for word transcripts and actual video with word for word context is not data?

So you reject the evidence that shows what he actually said and believe some weird conspiracy theory for n other reason that the Dems told you so.

Watch any video that contains full context.

Using a quote out of context deceptively is a lie.

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Here’s some new data I found for you. When Trump said “root out the enemies from within, he was talking about using peaceful, democratic methods (primary voting, general election voting, etc )Another nail in the coffin of your deflections.

You missed that he mention people like Pelosi and Shift as two of the enemies within.
In a portion of his speech about voting at the PRIMARIES. Read this and watch your claim DIE. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he was talking about using the Democratic process and peaceful methods.

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Donald Trump 01:42:11-01:42:31 (19 sec)
We have to come up with votes because there's a point at which they're cheating, can't get it done. There s a point at which the cheating can't get it done, so get every patriot you know and get them out to deliver a massive victory in the primary. But honestly, more importantly, in the election, the primary.
Donald Trump 01:42:31-01:43:01 (30 sec)
Let's get the primary done first. We'll be back here many times, but we got to get the primary done first. So join our campaign by visiting nh.donaldjtrump.com or text Trump to 88022, OK? 2024 is our final battle. With you at my side, and you've been at my side from the beginning, we will demolish the deep state.
Donald Trump 01:43:01-01:43:23 (22 sec)
We'll expel -- we're going to expel those horrible, horrible warmongers from our government. They want to fight everybody. They want to kill people all over the place, places we've never heard about before, places that want to be left alone. We will drive out the globalists. We will cast out the communists, Marxists, fascists.
Donald Trump 01:43:23-01:43:52 (29 sec)
We will throw off the sick political class that hates our country. We will rout the fake news media until they become real. We will evict Joe Biden from the White House, and we will finish the job that we started better than anybody has ever started a job before. The great silent majority is rising like never before.
Donald Trump 01:43:52-01:44:35 (44 sec)
And under our leadership, the forgotten man and woman will be forgotten no longer. You're going to be forgotten no longer. With your help, your love, and your vote, we will put America first. And today, especially in honor of our great veterans on Veterans Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible, they'll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American dream.
Donald Trump 01:44:35-01:45:13 (38 sec)
The real threat is not from the radical right. The real threat is from the radical left, and it's growing every day, every single day. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within. Because if you have a capable, competent, smart, tough leader, Russia, China, North Korea, they're not going to want to play with us, and they didn't. Despite the hatred and anger of the radical left lunatics who want to destroy our country, we will make America great again.
[/u][u] https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump...laremont-new-hampshire-november-11-2023/

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Here’s some new data I found for you. When Trump said “root out the enemies from within, he was talking about using peaceful, democratic methods (primary voting, general election voting, etc )Another nail in the coffin of your deflections.

You missed that he mention people like Pelosi and Shift as two of the enemies within.
In a portion of his speech about voting at the PRIMARIES. Read this and watch your claim DIE. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he was talking about using the Democratic process and peaceful methods at the ballot box.

And he never said HE would use military in the other clip. He said “they could”. Because he will have no power to use military on election day, which was what that discussion was about.

This it’s why You can’t take two different quotes, From two different conversations, At two different times, With two different contexts, On two different topics, With two different audiences, And smash them together. That kind of argumentation does not even reach preschool level, The media and Dems have a very low view of average Democrats to use that kind of argumentation.

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Donald Trump 01:42:11-01:42:31 (19 sec)
We have to come up with votes because there's a point at which they're cheating, can't get it done. There s a point at which the cheating can't get it done, so get every patriot you know and get them out to deliver a massive victory in the primary. But honestly, more importantly, in the election, the primary.
Donald Trump 01:42:31-01:43:01 (30 sec)
Let's get the primary done first. We'll be back here many times, but we got to get the primary done first. So join our campaign by visiting nh.donaldjtrump.com or text Trump to 88022, OK? 2024 is our final battle. With you at my side, and you've been at my side from the beginning, we will demolish the deep state.
Donald Trump 01:43:01-01:43:23 (22 sec)
We'll expel -- we're going to expel those horrible, horrible warmongers from our government. They want to fight everybody. They want to kill people all over the place, places we've never heard about before, places that want to be left alone. We will drive out the globalists. We will cast out the communists, Marxists, fascists.
Donald Trump 01:43:23-01:43:52 (29 sec)
We will throw off the sick political class that hates our country. We will rout the fake news media until they become real. We will evict Joe Biden from the White House, and we will finish the job that we started better than anybody has ever started a job before. The great silent majority is rising like never before.
Donald Trump 01:43:52-01:44:35 (44 sec)
And under our leadership, the forgotten man and woman will be forgotten no longer. You're going to be forgotten no longer. With your help, your love, and your vote, we will put America first. And today, especially in honor of our great veterans on Veterans Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible, they'll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American dream.
Donald Trump 01:44:35-01:45:13 (38 sec)
The real threat is not from the radical right. The real threat is from the radical left, and it's growing every day, every single day. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within. Because if you have a capable, competent, smart, tough leader, Russia, China, North Korea, they're not going to want to play with us, and they didn't. Despite the hatred and anger of the radical left lunatics who want to destroy our country, we will make America great again.
[/u][u] https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump...laremont-new-hampshire-november-11-2023/


But according to Pitdawg, the direct word for word transcript is not data. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Originally Posted by Stiffarm
Using a quote out of context deceptively is a lie.

yet you do it repeatedly on a daily basis here.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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Using a quote out of context deceptively is a lie.

yet you do it repeatedly on a daily basis here.

Really? Post one example.

If you can post one example, I’ll ban myself from Palus until Wednesday at 3 pm 😀

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You seem to think I care if you're here or not. Do you really think what you say or do is that important to me? As it stands you serve as cheap entertainment.


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Originally Posted by Stiffarm
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Using a quote out of context deceptively is a lie.

yet you do it repeatedly on a daily basis here.

Really? Post one example.

If you can post one example, I’ll ban myself from Palus until Wednesday at 3 pm 😀

You lied about what you quoted me in your sig and you know it. And anybody with a 3rd grade education can see you lie in just about every post you write.


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Using a quote out of context deceptively is a lie.

yet you do it repeatedly on a daily basis here.

Really? Post one example.

If you can post one example, I’ll ban myself from Palus until Wednesday at 3 pm 😀

You lied about what you quoted me in your sig and you know it. And anybody with a 3rd grade education can see you lie in just about every post you write.

I asked you how I misquoted you and you never answered. Care to do so now?

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
You seem to think I care if you're here or not. Do you really think what you say or do is that important to me? As it stands you serve as cheap entertainment.

As you’re comedy gold.

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Then stick around and stop acting like someone wants to appease you in order for you to leave the forum.


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Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
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Using a quote out of context deceptively is a lie.

yet you do it repeatedly on a daily basis here.

Really? Post one example.

If you can post one example, I’ll ban myself from Palus until Wednesday at 3 pm 😀

You lied about what you quoted me in your sig and you know it. And anybody with a 3rd grade education can see you lie in just about every post you write.

What did I say in my quote of you that was inaccurate? I asked you 2-3 times and you never answered.

If you don’t tell me, I can only assume YOU’RE lying.

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Then stick around and stop acting like someone wants to appease you in order for you to leave the forum.

How can failure to answer in a debate is ceding the point, so I’m ok with your question evasion. 😀

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I don't know why you think you expect others to answer your questions while you have refused to answer the questions of others in every single thread you have started since you cam here. Quite the double standard there.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I don't know why you think you expect others to answer your questions while you have refused to answer the questions of others in every single thread you have started since you cam here. Quite the double standard there.

I answer everything except red herrings, which is all you have. 😀

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I don't know why you think you expect others to answer your questions while you have refused to answer the questions of others in every single thread you have started since you cam here. Quite the double standard there.

It's not a double standard - it's a tactic to avoid real debate. It's a circular tactic too - you can't ask any questions becuase you have to stick to the narrowest of points that are dictated by the poster ... when that narrow confined issue looks a bit wobbly - then he changes tact and starts asking questions about the questions you raised ... but without answering your questions. Then that new question the poster asked becomes the narrow confined topic (ignoring that he's not answered any questions) .... then rinse and repeat. Oh - and I nearly forgot - throw in some asinine non-sensecal talking points that are complete nonsense while he's at it just to try and get a reaction.

Apparnetly if you quote the words out of Don the Cons very mouth - it's not enough. It's context. It's feelings. It's knowing the man behind the bluff and bluster to get in tune with his inner psyche.

A troll by any other name.


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Pit.

Hope this helps. 😀


You've stumbled across debates or discussions that seem to veer off-topic, haven't you? Well, there's a term for that: the Red Herring Fallacy.

A Red Herring Fallacy is an example of a deceptive tactic that diverts attention away from the real issue at hand, steering the conversation towards a different, often unrelated, topic…

The red herring logical fallacy often occurs when someone doesn't have a good argument or counter-point. Fallacies are logical errors, usually in arguments, that people make which lead to inconsistent reasoning.

In particular, this is an informal fallacy because the content of the premise(s) is what causes the misleading argument. Formal fallacies, on the other hand, are about the structure of the argument rather than the content. The red herring logical fallacy often occurs when someone doesn't have a good argument or counter-point. Fallacies are logical errors, usually in arguments, that people make which lead to inconsistent reasoning.

In particular, this is an informal fallacy because the content of the premise(s) is what causes the misleading argument. Formal fallacies, on the other hand, are about the structure of the argument rather than the content.

Instead of admitting defeat or saying, "I don't know," they throw in a distraction. Imagine you're talking about the need for clean energy, and someone says, "Well, what about jobs?" The concern for jobs is real but it's a red herring if it's used to dodge the actual issue of clean energy.

(https://practicalpie.com/red-herring-fallacy/#:~:text=While%20a%20magician%20diverts%20your%20attention%20to%20perform,someone%20doesn%27t%20have%20a%20good%20argument%20or%20counter-point)

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Originally Posted by Stiffarm
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I don't know why you think you expect others to answer your questions while you have refused to answer the questions of others in every single thread you have started since you cam here. Quite the double standard there.

I answer everything except red herrings, which is all you have. 😀

You selectively pick and choose what you address by putting a negative connotation on everything you wish to avoid.

You actually said yourself that you would address the lies trump told in his campaign appearance and then refused to do so. Everyone can see through your facade.


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You've stumbled across debates or discussions that seem to veer off-topic, haven't you? Well, there's a term for that: the Red Herring Fallacy.

A Red Herring Fallacy is an example of a deceptive tactic that diverts attention away from the real issue at hand, steering the conversation towards a different, often unrelated, topic…

The red herring logical fallacy often occurs when someone doesn't have a good argument or counter-point. Fallacies are logical errors, usually in arguments, that people make which lead to inconsistent reasoning.

In particular, this is an informal fallacy because the content of the premise(s) is what causes the misleading argument. Formal fallacies, on the other hand, are about the structure of the argument rather than the content. The red herring logical fallacy often occurs when someone doesn't have a good argument or counter-point. Fallacies are logical errors, usually in arguments, that people make which lead to inconsistent reasoning.

In particular, this is an informal fallacy because the content of the premise(s) is what causes the misleading argument. Formal fallacies, on the other hand, are about the structure of the argument rather than the content.

Instead of admitting defeat or saying, "I don't know," they throw in a distraction. Imagine you're talking about the need for clean energy, and someone says, "Well, what about jobs?" The concern for jobs is real but it's a red herring if it's used to dodge the actual issue of clean energy.

(https://practicalpie.com/red-herring-fallacy/#:~:text=While%20a%20magician%20diverts%20your%20attention%20to%20perform,someone%20doesn%27t%20have%20a%20good%20argument%20or%20counter-point)

Hope this helps. 😀

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It helps bolster my position. And I see you still refuse to address that you said you would answer my post about the lies trump told at his rally but have refused to do so. Thanks for continuing with the cheap entertainment.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
It helps bolster my position. And I see you still refuse to address that you said you would answer my post about the lies trump told at his rally but have refused to do so. Thanks for continuing with the cheap entertainment.


Red herring Help bolster your position?!!

I think I answered it. Post a link to it, where it is in the forums. I hope it’s on topic and not a red herring. 😀

I bet I can find more lies in one of Kamala’s speeches.

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You know you posted it. I'm not going to do some search to prove you lied about it. Denial does not become you.

And yes, trying to claim everything you know you can't defend as a red herring bolsters exactly what I posted.


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And the troll makes the dawgs jump through hoops for absolutely no reason because Trump is trash. Disengage.

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And the troll makes the dawgs jump through hoops for absolutely no reason because Trump is trash. Disengage.

Not quite, I’m just trying to save us all from red Herrings

Quote. You've stumbled across bates or discussions that seem to veer off-topic, haven't you? Well, there's a term for that: the Red Herring Fallacy.

A Red Herring Fallacy is an example of a deceptive tactic that diverts attention away from the real issue at hand, steering the conversation towards a different, often unrelated, topic…

The red herring logical fallacy often occurs when someone doesn't have a good argument or counter-point. Fallacies are logical errors, usually in arguments, that people make which lead to inconsistent reasoning.

In particular, this is an informal fallacy because the content of the premise(s) is what causes the misleading argument. Formal fallacies, on the other hand, are about the structure of the argument rather than the content. The red herring logical fallacy often occurs when someone doesn't have a good argument or counter-point. Fallacies are logical errors, usually in arguments, that people make which lead to inconsistent reasoning.

In particular, this is an informal fallacy because the content of the premise(s) is what causes the misleading argument. Formal fallacies, on the other hand, are about the structure of the argument rather than the content.

Instead of admitting defeat or saying, "I don't know," they throw in a distraction. Imagine you're talking about the need for clean energy, and someone says, "Well, what about jobs?" The concern for jobs is real but it's a red herring if it's used to dodge the actual issue of clean energy.

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You only show your depravity with your bigotry and intolerance. No problem for me. 😀

You express hate. I don’t. So you are the depraved one.

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That’s rich from a trumpian troll. You should talk to somebody who cares. If this was the last proof I had of your existence, and never heard from you again, I’d be mighty fine with that.

I’ve scraped better crud from under my fingernails when they are disgustingly in need of cleanng.

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A little cranky, are you? 🤣

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Nope. Just on the right side of history, UNDUPED.

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Nope. Just on the right side of history, UNDUPED.

Only when history is written by propagandists.

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I don't know why you think you expect others to answer your questions while you have refused to answer the questions of others in every single thread you have started since you cam here. Quite the double standard there.

It's not a double standard - it's a tactic to avoid real debate. It's a circular tactic too - you can't ask any questions becuase you have to stick to the narrowest of points that are dictated by the poster ... when that narrow confined issue looks a bit wobbly - then he changes tact and starts asking questions about the questions you raised ... but without answering your questions. Then that new question the poster asked becomes the narrow confined topic (ignoring that he's not answered any questions) .... then rinse and repeat. Oh - and I nearly forgot - throw in some asinine non-sensecal talking points that are complete nonsense while he's at it just to try and get a reaction.

Apparnetly if you quote the words out of Don the Cons very mouth - it's not enough. It's context. It's feelings. It's knowing the man behind the bluff and bluster to get in tune with his inner psyche.

A troll by any other name.
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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I don't know why you think you expect others to answer your questions while you have refused to answer the questions of others in every single thread you have started since you cam here. Quite the double standard there.

It's not a double standard - it's a tactic to avoid real debate. It's a circular tactic too - you can't ask any questions becuase you have to stick to the narrowest of points that are dictated by the poster ... when that narrow confined issue looks a bit wobbly - then he changes tact and starts asking questions about the questions you raised ... but without answering your questions. Then that new question the poster asked becomes the narrow confined topic (ignoring that he's not answered any questions) .... then rinse and repeat. Oh - and I nearly forgot - throw in some asinine non-sensecal talking points that are complete nonsense while he's at it just to try and get a reaction.

Apparnetly if you quote the words out of Don the Cons very mouth - it's not enough. It's context. It's feelings. It's knowing the man behind the bluff and bluster to get in tune with his inner psyche.

A troll by any other name.


I’m a troll because I don’t respond to red herrings? OK

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
You know you posted it. I'm not going to do some search to prove you lied about it. Denial does not become you.

And yes, trying to claim everything you know you can't defend as a red herring bolsters exactly what I posted.

I posted what?

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So if I show that you failed to answer a post that I posted before that one, doesn’t that mean you have to answer first?

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[quote=PitDAWG]

Ok, I found it, and I did reply to it.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/2091280/1

16 questions at once?!!🤣

Now you are using a “shotgun argumentation fallacy.

Shotgun Argumentation

The shotgun argumentation fallacy occurs when one chooses so many arguments, firing many shots as it were, in order to disable your opponent from answering them all.

https://www.logicalfallacies.org/shotgun-argumentation.html

Besides, I never said Trump doesn’t make mistakes or lie. That would be a strawman argument.

straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

You can pick any three of your choice of the sixteen (I am being charitable by allowing this as your argument is built on two fallacies) and I will answer them the best I can. And yes, I may have to say Trump was wrong or it’s even possible he lied. But I never said that was my argument. So you’re using a strawman which is a fallacy. Wikipedia

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Using a quote out of context deceptively is a lie.

yet you do it repeatedly on a daily basis here.

Really? Post one example.

If you can post one example, I’ll ban myself from Palus until Wednesday at 3 pm 😀

You lied about what you quoted me in your sig and you know it. And anybody with a 3rd grade education can see you lie in just about every post you write.

I asked you how I misquoted you and you never answered. Care to do so now?

You know. Stop lying. You act like a third grader


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Stiffarm
Using a quote out of context deceptively is a lie.

yet you do it repeatedly on a daily basis here.

Really? Post one example.

If you can post one example, I’ll ban myself from Palus until Wednesday at 3 pm 😀

You lied about what you quoted me in your sig and you know it. And anybody with a 3rd grade education can see you lie in just about every post you write.

I asked you how I misquoted you and you never answered. Care to do so now?

You know. Stop lying. You act like a third grader

How did I misquote you?

Put up or shut up

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So "trump's lawyers" made claims. Well that just settles everything!

They made claims and showed with video clips.

a. Dems doing the same thing that they condemn Trump for doing. (Questioning elections, seeking to challenge electors, etc

b. Dems manipulating social media posts

c. Dems deceptively editing quotes and videos.

It’s all right there.

You don’t seem to know the difference between claims and evidence. They made claims and proved them with hard data.

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Here’s some new data I found for you. When Trump said “root out the enemies from within, he was talking about using peaceful, democratic methods (primary voting, general election voting, etc )Another nail in the coffin of your deflections.

You missed that he mention people like Pelosi and Shift as two of the enemies within.

He did not mention Pelosi and Schiff in the “ violent agitaters on election day” interview and he did not mention using the military on “Pelosi/Schiff quote.

You’re conflating two different quotes, made at two different times, in discussions about two different topics, about two different issues. That would get an F in a high school debate class.

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