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Deplorable.

She didn't win because she sounds like she is crying Jorrdan when she speaks.

Question... how is she going to help ensure a smooth transition of power.

She isn't POTUS




This makes it feel like the plan is that President Biden is going to step down.

Any other person that thinks that you can choose your gender. It’s disgusting and weird to see men and women dressed up and trying to pass themselves as the opposite sex.


You wonder why Trump won? Because this country is sick of people and politicians who support this type of nonsense.

Additionally, I think that it’s ridiculous that gay people get lumped in with trans people. Being gay is a legit human preference. - A far cry from being trans.

Isn’t it just weird? Expecting politicians to act like they believe in the system. Actually admitting they lost and giving up the reins of power… it’s what NORMAL looks like.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/senate-house-governor-election-11-06-24/index.html

208 (R) to 191 (D) in the house

52 (R) to 44 (D) in the senate
Republicans could pick up 1-2 more seats. They are probably not winning AZ.

Trump 295
72,302,757 votes (50.9%)

Harris 226
67,581,789 votes (47.6%)

Way less turnout than 2020… figures.

That's not how that works. Being gay is not a preference.

You can only blame yourselves. Biden had 80 million votes. No libtards showed up for Kackela. I don't blame them. She was a terrible candidate forced upon you without a vote. You were TOLD who to vote for, rather than having a democratic process. She wanted to be Queen.

Welcome back, "Summers Eve."

Hi Morgan Freeman wannabe.

Big protests against the election--reporters mentioned protests in New York, Chicago, and Philly--- funny, I looked up the protests, pictures of protests to see the numbers for myself-- Philly had ONE girl with a sign at city hall, Chicago seemed like about hundred to two hundred with lots of signs....didn't see NY....I've very happy there were not riots, looting, and general lawbreaking- peaceful protests.

Come Jan 6 or so....I wonder if the Democrats and other losing political parties will repeated the PEACEFUL protests at the Capital like our Republican brothers did....hopefully NOT.....peaceful transition of power WAS a hallmark of our democracy until 2020......Peace to all.

I think you are reading in to his use of the word preference. I think both of you are in agreement.

I don't know if she wanted that other than what any politician might want, but someone, or some force wanted her as queen. I do agree she was a terrible candidate and forced upon the voters without due democratic process.

Maybe we should have a bunch of Dems all stand together and swear to all that is holy that the election was rigged. That Republicans paid for votes etc etc.

I mean that precedent is set already.., We don't need proof, just someone with a loud mouth to stand up and repeat a lie for 4 years.. Everyday and in everyway. Repeat the lie over and over again.

But then democrats would have turned into Republicans. Again, when asked for proof, we don't need to give any.. Just rhetoric and BS.. No Proof Needed.

Thanks. I'm actually piecing together a few things about it, and I think there is an underlying resentment of every-day Americans feeling taken for granted perhaps because of that issue. I didn't know if "freak show" specifically was referenced as an acute meaning, like what you did, or a general meaning regarding how the DNC operates.

I do still think there are levels of willful blindness. Trump left office four years ago, and I think some people did have a desire to turn a blind eye to a lot of the bad things he did, or to the things he said he was going to accomplish, but didn't. Perhaps for the reason you said, and also issues like immigration and inflation that happened during the Biden administration.

I do think we all have to admit that there is also a blind buy-in to a lot of hollow rhetoric, and that is not just germane to Republicans. However, things like Issue 1 in Ohio not passing, makes no sense to me. SBD said it was poorly written, but that didn't answer the question "How?" or the additional question of "Would it be worse than what we currently have?" This shouldn't be a Democrat or Republican issue. We should all combat things like gerrymandering if we do actually want our voices to be more important. That to me is a no-brainer.

I think Sanders has a point here. The unions and blue collar vote gravitating away from the Democrats I think bolsters it. There are a lot of policy issues where I disagree with Sanders. However, I do think he is probably one of - if not the - most genuine of the Democratic Caucus in terms of his beliefs and platforms.

I mean, the guy got railroaded in 2016, and then the Dems botched 2024 by trotting out Biden, who clearly wasn't fit, and then put in Kamala. There were several candidates better than her. To say they are out of touch is an understatement. I still voted for her because I was - and still am - more worried about the myriad of issues with Trump, but to say they definitely screwed the pooch on the candidate nomination process this year would be accurate.

Anyhow, here's the article:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-response-presidential-election/story?id=115582079

Bernie Sanders blasts Democratic Party following Kamala Harris loss
The Vermont independent called the Democratic Party's campaign "disastrous."

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders issued a scathing statement on what he called the Democratic Party's "disastrous" campaign after Vice President Kamala Harris lost the presidential election to former President Donald Trump.

The independent, who caucuses with Democrats, said it "should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them."

"First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well," Sanders continued in his statement. "While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they're right."

The longtime progressive champion, who ran for president in 2016 and 2020, reflected on the ways Americans continue to experience economic instability, from income and wealth inequality to a lack of guaranteed paid family and medical leave.

Sanders also criticized continued spending on military aid to Israel.

"Today, despite strong opposition from a majority of Americans, we continue to spend billions funding the extremist Netanyahu government's all out war against the Palestinian people which has led to the horrific humanitarian disaster of mass malnutrition and the starvation of thousands of children," Sanders said.

Sanders, who won reelection Tuesday to a fourth six-year term in the U.S. Senate, cast doubt about the party's ability to learn its lesson.

"Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign? Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not," Sanders said.

Sanders said "very serious political discussions" are now merited about the path forward for "those of us concerned about grassroots democracy and economic justice," before ending his statement with, "Stay tuned."

Harris conceded the election in a speech on Wednesday at her alma mater, Howard University, in Washington, D.C.

"While I concede this election, I do not concede the fight that fueled this campaign," she said. "The fight for freedom, for opportunity, for fairness and the dignity of all people -- a fight for the ideals at the heart of our nation -- the ideals that reflect America at our best."

Harris' concession speech came after Trump was projected to win the swing states of Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Bernie is right, and the proof is in the fact that Trump’s support grew in the white, Hispanic, and black communities. However Bernie needs to understand that the people in those communities hate a socialist more than they hate virtue signaling buffoons like Joe and Kamala. If Bernie wants those of us to ever take him seriously, he needs to cut the socialist rhetoric, and more importantly, pull his endorsement of the “squad” - the four stupidest women in America. I hope Trump sends all 4 of them back to where they came from.

And he constantly quotes Hitler when he speaks. I see which one of the two offends you the most.

Yes, everyone else should leave it up to you and trump to decide which gender they are. Something that does you no harm is something your kind dwell so heavily on. Why is that? Why do you care so much?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by sending all 4 of them back where they came from, but that is dangerous rhetoric. I do think we've gotten to a point where emotions have almost wholly eclipsed rationality as a nation. This board is Exhibit A. I think there's a desire to cut our noses off to spite our faces.

I abhor socialism too, and, while I don't think it catches on with Latinos, especially Venezuelans, I do think he drew himself closer to winning the '16 nomination, not because of his socialism, but because he does endear himself to the working class, with plenty of union support. I think the problem with the mainstream part of the party - and I think this was his point - is that they have endeared themselves to corporations and they (Pelosi et al) somehow have maintained insider trading portfolios that blow the S&P 500 away, while claiming to be for the working class. The phrase we used to use for that was champagne socialism.

They need to go back to the drawing board and figure out a way to build that bridge back.

Super, she went halfway to losing at the start of her campaign. And she just could not help it. She is a lefty, a commie, a socialist, a radical far from mainstream Americans. It is in her DNA. So when it came time to pick her vp running mate, instead of making the smart political choice and picking a moderate, a governor of a state she needed like Pennsylvania’s Shapiro, she just could not help herself and she picked a guy just as looney left, and radical as she is , Walz. The kind of governor who would order schools to put tampon machines in boys restrooms. She just blew it from the get go.

Listening to the looney lefty lame stream media, aka democratic national communications team, aka Pravda west, they knew why she lost. It was racism!!! It was sexism!!! It was misogyny!!! As with 2016, they just don’t get it. She lost because of the positions she has taken, not her gender or race. She lost because she has supported a border that isn’t a border. Because she supported decriminalizing illegal border crossings. She supported mandatory buyback of legal weapons honest patriotic Americans own. Because people knew that when she took positions that were 180 degrees opposite of positions she had held and expressed for years, that she was lying.

The people who voted for Trump aren’t nazis, Hitler lovers or fascists. They are parents who believe that their 14 year old daughter who is showering after gym class should never have a 17 year old male walk into her locker to do the same thing. They know biological males should not be stealing medals in girls sports from females who have worked hard to win a medal. These folks know that someone who believes that crossing our border illegally should be decriminalized does not value the rights of American citizens. They know that it is wrong for us to spend $150,000,000,000 of hard working taxpayers money supporting illegal when American heroes are homeless or need care they cannot afford.

One final thought. People on tv or anywhere else who use Trump and Hitler in the same breath are idiots who have lost all connections to reality. They need to seek help. If they are a tv talking head and say that then nothing they say has any validity.

The Indian part of her DNA or the black part of her DNA? Did she constantly go around the country quoting Hitler at her campaign rallies like trump?

Kieth, I’ve been on this board for 24 years. Your post above is one of the best that I’ve ever read. Thank You.

Hey Keith, let me just start by saying I'm glad you're doing all right after the hurricanes. I was worried when we hadn't seen you on the board in a while.

I wasn't a fan of Harris, but I do think the references of calling her a commie and whatnot are akin to the references of Trump to Hitler or Nazis, also keeping in mind that Vance himself was one of the first people to associate Trump with Hitler, on the main stage at least.

I agree with you that the transgender issues and perceptions probably lost her and the Democrats a lot of votes. I also don't think everyone who voted for Trump was a fascist, Nazi, et al, but I will bet the people who do identify as Nazi-sympathizers and white supremacists and whatnot did overwhelmingly vote for Trump.

I think more than anything - from the more articles I read - it was really the economic associations that lost her the election. That, and the fact that everything was so botched up with the whole nomination process and Biden stepping down. People who were previous stalwarts for the Democrats likely voted with their wallets and the fact that the Democrats haven't done enough for the working class. That was echoed by Bernie Sanders and I do understand that frustration.

What's even more frustrating for me is that from an economic standpoint people refused to look at the global picture. Out of 195 recognized countries, 179 of them suffered from post covid inflation. This was purely a post covid economic event on a global scale. It wasn't a "Bidenomics" issue. But then again the democrats didn't drive that point home.

But I understand it. When the democrats didn't get that message across I don't really blame the people who felt the way they did and do. There are a lot of people who simply do not care about looking into the root causes as to why things are happening the way they are. They read some headlines and watch news sources that promote exactly what they want to hear and never search outside that bubble. It's one of the root causes as to why this nation is so divided.

I know that the huge inflation rates were hard. I lived it too. I just did the research to find out what actually happened. But when you're trying to manage your budget week to week it's much easier to point the finger at who you're listening to, tells you to.

One of Fate's rants was specifically about Democrats relationship with unions, so kudos to him (wherever he is) for calling that shot.


The more I look at this election, the more startling it is. She lost ground damn near everywhere and with every demographic, it seemed.

Oh I'm with you. I do think that people perceive correlation as causation way too much.

What's crazy is that who will be the new "leader"? I mean, everyone was lukewarm on her to begin with...it's just that the Dems saw her as the only choice given that she was VP.

I actually like Buttigieg and I think he's done a good job and he's impressive with his ability to directly answer questions and debate, but I don't think he could be the frontrunner for one very bad reason, but a reason nonetheless.

I don't know who will take over. Newsome isn't a good option IMO either, because I think he embodies that detached Democrat perception that I think started driving the working class and minorities away in this election.

I really don't know who they conceivably have anymore to put at the forefront. The Republicans are in the driver's seat right now. It would take them screwing up monumentally, which definitely could happen, in order to swing the pendulum the other way. But that is not something I want to see either.

Republicans flip another Senate seat! I can't handle all this winning!

I’m not an expert, but my .02, and correct me if I’m wrong…

The dems support the following:

Critical race theory taught in schools
The notion that the west is bad
Traditional marriage and families are bad
Traditions of the USA are bad
Men are bad
Women are as athletic as men
Gender isn’t real

I mean, take your pick man. They’re wrong about everything.

In truth…
Western European influence has led to Africans and Hispanics having more prosperity in western countries than they would have in their native countries.

Children with a mother and father in the household grow up to be more secure, healthier, and smarter.

American traditions have given women and minorities waaaaay more influence and power in the USA than they would have had anywhere else in the world.

Men have built and developed everything that you see in the world today, the happiest men being accompanied by a good woman.

Men don’t belong in women’s sports. - Look up John Mcenroe’s quote on Serena Williams- which she publicly agreed with.

People can’t choose their own gender or pronouns. Because if I could, I’d identify as a a grand lion that makes a million dollars a year and is entitled to steak and champagne every night.

I’m a little busy trying to do two things at once right now but hopefully that’s a worthwhile contribution.

The dems support the following:

Critical race theory taught in schools That would be correct. Unlike trying to wipe out actual history.

The notion that the west is bad That would be wrong. They just point out that historically the west has done horrible things just like every other society has. Some people just can't handle that.

Traditional marriage and families are bad That too would be wrong. They simply say that this isn't the only choice and they too have the right to make their own marital choices just like you do.

Traditions of the USA are bad Which ones would those be? Are you claiming it's all of them?

Men are bad

Women are as athletic as men

Gender isn’t real They certainly think gender is real. Just not that there are only two of them. And why do you care what or how many genders anyone else has or believes there are anyway? How exactly does that impact your personal life that you think it's such a big issue to you?

I mean, take your pick man. They’re wrong about everything. According to your own personal belief system which you think everyone should agree with or everyone is wrong but you.

In truth…
Western European influence has led to Africans and Hispanics having more prosperity in western countries than they would have in their native countries. You must have forgotten how much of this country we stolen from the hispanics. And as for Africans do you mean after hundreds of thousands of Americans fought and died to free them from slavery?

Children with a mother and father in the household grow up to be more secure, healthier, and smarter. Unless of course there's heavy drug use, domestic violence, constant fighting or being raised by habitual criminals.

American traditions have given women and minorities waaaaay more influence and power in the USA than they would have had anywhere else in the world. Is that why women couldn't even vote for more than 140 years after this country was founded? And only then after they had been protesting and fighting for that right so long? It's not as if anybody just "gave it to them" They don't owe men some great debt of gratitude for that.

Men have built and developed everything that you see in the world today, the happiest men being accompanied by a good woman Yeah, women never built anything. I guess you didn't learn about who were building our weapons, planes and ships to fight the Germans during WW2. If it weren't for women building all of those things you would be speaking German right now if your forefathers even lived through it. Women have been "building things" in this nation for generations.

This is exactly what I mean about selective history and presenting slanted opinions as facts. Nobody is fighting against traditional marriage. Nobody is telling you that you can't say Merry Christmas. Nobody is trying to attack your religion. Has anybody tried to stop you from going to church? Nobody is telling you that straight isn't a gender. Instead it's you who is telling them they are not.

People like yourself trying to inflict their moral and religious beliefs on the rest of society is the issue here. If they don't live the way you think they should somehow in that brain of yours something is wrong with them. It's time you learn to face that reality rather than trying to use your rights to step on theirs.

NO I BLAME YOU. It’s all your fault.

I’ve thought about how to polish this political turd, and I’m going to sell Trump decoder rings so everybody gets it… .

I want the boomer and Xers that voted for him to know why they LOST their social security benefits.

I want women to know what the men in their lives did to them.

But most of all, I want the cartoonish Trump base to understand what true fascism is and why they voted against their own interests. … as if.

How dare people have a different point of view and not coalesce with the hive mind. Next thing you know they might even want something different for dinner too.

Did I jerk your chain? Step off. I was talking to Eve.

Dawg, thanks for the kind thoughts. For us in Cape Coral Helene was pretty mild. It is heartbreaking to see what has happened up in North Carolina and other states. Devastation. Milton was pretty serious, 100 mph winds, but we did ok. I have had other situations going. Sometimes life just gets in the way.

I do want to respectfully disagree with one point you made. I don’t think calling Harris a commie or socialist is anything like calling someone a nazi or hitler. Now if I said Harris was gonna be a Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot, I would agree that would not be accurate or right. But Hitler and naziism are not an economic system. He and they wanted to obliterate the Jewish people from the earth. The evil of that man is on a scale of 1-10 is a 20.But calling her a commie or socialist is like calling me a free market capitalist.

Dawg, I think anyone who says Trump is hitler displays astounding ignorance and blind hatred. I think those who say oh my Trump said a nazi word or he held a rally in nyc in the same place the nazis did are trying so desperately to make Trump something he is not they look foolish.

Thank you again for your concern. Have a great day.

Dawg, thanks for the kind thoughts. For us in Cape Coral Helene was pretty mild. It is heartbreaking to see what has happened up in North Carolina and other states. Devastation. Milton was pretty serious, 100 mph winds, but we did ok. I have had other situations going. Sometimes life just gets in the way.

I do want to respectfully disagree with one point you made. I don’t think calling Harris a commie or socialist is anything like calling someone a nazi or hitler. Now if I said Harris was gonna be a Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot, I would agree that would not be accurate or right. But Hitler and naziism are not an economic system. He and they wanted to obliterate the Jewish people from the earth. The evil of that man is on a scale of 1-10 is a 20.But calling her a commie or socialist is like calling me a free market capitalist.

I do think the way the