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If Haslam cannot look in the mirror, the Browns, are under his ownership, will NEVER accomplish anything close to the objective of winning a Super Bowl. This guy needs scrap whatever his thoughts are on his organizational structure and start over. I don't even care about the roster or the salary cap at this point; WHO and HOW decisions are being made for those two items are CRITICAL for this FOOTBALL team to be operated like a FOOTBALL team going forward. This is NOT Flying Pilot J. Haslam needs to get that thru his head and FAST.

Ok I will draft a top 5 defense
Another question you can run and hide from
We need 3 starting lineman you draft to so improve play for are running game
And improve qb sense we are stuck with douchebag and see under your draft.
Furthermore you did not answer the Mayfield question
And the who is the next Joe Thomas period
We are alll waiting for your answers from the man loved
Joe Banner
Barkers mingo

Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean I didn't give you one.

There was no choice between Mayfield and Thomas. They were drafted more than a decade apart. I want some of what you're smoking. You don't draft simply out of desperation at a position when you need help at several positions. You draft the player with the best chance of success at a major position of need.

You're the one who claimed we should never draft a LT that highly and I gave you an example of when they did and why they should have. You have made claims about "100 receptions" when none of these players have never taken a snap in the NFL. About edge rishers who have never went up against an NFL OL. One would think you would be smart enough to let the college season play out before making claims that even then you have no way to substantiate.

They have a draft board where the players are ranked. Neither of us get to see that. Your claim is to draft players based on position and not how they grade out as players. Good luck with that.

You can't draft a top 5 defense if the players to make up a top 5 defense aren't left for you to choose from when it's your pick. Do you have any idea how the draft works?

Ok
As usual no answer
Have a good day?

Excellent post

Better than some of the replies you have posted. Have a good day?

yeah, we spread the ball around a lot. we had 4 receivers last year who had over 65 touches.

Just curious. Whether you tried and failed or didn't try and failed isn't the end result the same? At that point one exerted less effort and far less money to get the same results. So which one actually was more efficient at reaching the same end? Otherwise I don't see a difference.

pssttt Mac by your posts I guess this guy should have been run out of town.... man what a loser

[quote]In January 1975, the Pittsburgh Steelers won their first National Football League championship by beating the Minnesota Vikings in Super Bowl IX. In the locker room after the game, celebrating Steelers gathered around the team founder Art Rooney to present him with the game ball.

With the possible exception of the vanquished Vikings, the entire sports world rejoiced for the revered Mr. Rooney, who at long last had won the championship, which he had sought so diligently for so long. Rooney purchased the Pittsburgh franchise (originally known as the Pirates) in 1933.

Although it was his first venture into the NFL, Rooney was a well-known sportsman in the Pittsburgh area having previously successful run semi-pro clubs. Unfortunately, his NFL success was slow to come. In his first eight years of ownership, the team managed only 24 victories and Rooney lost money every year.

The team’s first winning season came in 1942. A tie for the Eastern Division title in 1947 was the nearest thing to a championship the Steelers experienced in their first 40 seasons. It was not that Rooney didn't try. In 1938 he shocked the sports world by signing Byron "Whizzer" White, the Colorado All-America, to a then unthinkable $15,000 contract.

Rooney’s continued faith in pro football was something that proved to be a guiding light for the NFL during the depression years. Finally, in the 1970s, the team hit on the right combination, of coaches and players and the Steelers became the most dominant team of an entire decade, winning four Super Bowls. The Steelers of the 1970s were armed with exceptionally talented athletes but, spiritually and emotionally, what they accomplished was a win for Mr. Rooney, a win for love, warmth and kindness, all rare traits that "The Chief" continually exhibited during his more than half century involvement in NFL football.

If I remember correctly, GM, it wasn't all rosy after hiring Chuck Noll. Fans wanted him fired. Pittsburgh drafted Bradshaw with the first pick in the draft after two or three dismal seasons.

Browns hired Berry and Stefanski as rookies. Everything is new. These two have not been perfect. As they continue, they'll make mistakes, which will strengthen them. We have seen it thus far.

Let me guess! Fans want to fire both, so we relive the same BS all over again! Oh, that makes sense! Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing expecting different results?

Maybe we should try something new following what all the other AFCN teams have done to be successful and keep their GM and Coach. Call me crazy but I think we should give it a look!

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

Mac, you can’t fire an owner. He has to decide to sell. Only way to force that decision is to end all financial support en masse… do you think we are at that kind of point as a fanbase? I mean I haven’t spent a dime on anything browns since they did Baker wrong. Yet, they have had zero issues missing my money…


As far as the FO. I’d like to keep Berry and Ski for at least two more seasons, just to see their response to all of this and their game plan. They’ve been here, doing the job, with seriously mixed results. I’d hate to can a potential 20 year winning duo over the damage the DW deal has caused. We will never know WHO made that decision. If Jimmy goes on a firing spree we can only assume it was on Berry or Ski if they are first to go. If he doesn’t fire either, we can assume he had a larger role in that decision.

I’d find an OC that is a better fit for SKI. I think some of our issues stem from Dorsey and Ski trying to combine two unalike systems. I also don’t want to lose our better players, but then I remember Joe Thomas, and how I wish he had a Super Bowl ring. And I kind of feel like that about Myles and a few others. And cleaning house feels defeatist af imho. We just need to retool and get back to what we do well.

As I understand it, owners have to be able to, at least, pay salary from nonfootball sources. I don't remember if that extends to other operational costs. It's a hobby for these guys.

I don't disagree with the logic and thought process some of you are using in comparing the Steelers of old to our current situation. But if we're going to do that, I think we have to look at the entire picture rather than an isolated portion of it.

An NFL franchise didn't cost billions upon billions of dollars back then. NFL players unless they were superstars didn't make much money back then either compared with today's player salaries. Even the big stars didn't get paid like players today. Even in 1981 after Bradshaw had taken the Steelers to 4 SB victories he was finally paid 470k and he was the second highest paid player in the league.

Economics didn't dictate a situation where you had to win now. You could afford to have a little patience and develop your team. You could afford to have a little patience watching your HC develop. But develop is they key word when basing it on your HC or GM. Even back then you weren't going to spend season after season wasting it on someone who aren't showing improvement over time. But the The landscape has changed. Even the expectations of people in general. I call it the microwave effect. And even that has become outdated. They want what they want and they want it now. Their attention span seems to be that of a small woodland creature at best. If you can't get it, have it or order that it delivered in 24 hours or less they don't want it.

Then there are the owners. More and more they're billionaire business owners and not football people per say. In the world of business you look for ROI. Return on investment. The quicker your assets gain value the better. Owners who see successful teams values increasing much faster than their own want those same results from their multi billion dollar investments. And they don't want to wait years and years to achieve that.

What used to be a sport first is now a business first. Each team is an independent corporation that is part of a corporate conglomerate we know as the NFL. It's simply not like the 1970's anymore. If you said that was a bad thing I wouldn't disagree with you.

I agree and with his injury, his baggage, and the way he played I doubt anyone would want him as their QB even if we paid most of his salary. It's been the absoulute worst scenario that could have happened. Only the Browns....

Maybe if the Browns threw in a couple of first round picks?

Please don't give them any ideas!!

At this point somebody needs to start giving them some ideas. But I agree, that isn't one of them.

They won’t listen to any outsiders ideas. Analytics says not to !!

BINGO...we have a "winner"..!

The Browns are a TOY for the Haslam family and especially for Jimmy Haslam, who has control of every move and every hire and fire that is made. Jimmy wants to be like Dallas owner, Jerry Jones...and he only hires people who agree with him and his involvement in the franchise.

You are what your record says you are, Jim

Yes, nobody was indicating that at ALL!

Maybe you should limit your trash posts the the political forum.

Well even Jimmy should be able to see how "successful" Jerry Jones has been in the past THIRTY years. That fact ALONE should be reason to change his organizational structure and way of thinking. If it doesn't, the Browns are done. If fans want to continue to throw away their hard earned money then there is no one to fault but themselves.

Again, what you said was not correct. But your post delta thanks you.

Once again you are making an effort to trash the pure football forum rather than keep your trash in the place it is designated for. Somehow I'm not surprised by that.

I understand that you said their NFL franchises were hobbies that they have to help pay the costs of from outside sources. And now all you can do is rest on semantics.

Disagreeing with you is hardly trashing the football forum. But nice that you think you make such determinations.

You said:

Yes, we keep forgetting that billionaire's don't care about making money on their multi billion dollar investments. What were we thinking?

Which no one but you said. But please continue to tell me how I am the problem and you are just some put upon little innocent.

Excellent point
The line
Next year
Jones lt
If bitino retires Zack zinter
Pocic
Teller
If available cam robinson
I think this lines performs better then what we can draft
The wr are having to come down to testing there is going to a top32 wr at the
20th pick in the draft


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Dolan’s team isn’t that bad. Didn’t they just go to the playoff?

Yes
I am also smart enough to know that draft boards are smart enough to be 90
Percent complete
That said let’s put differences aside I just like how things are really setting up
For are defense
Thornhill said that there is a chance he is out here
There is a excellent chance that there is a safety in the third round to replace him
One of his strengths is tackling.
At the top of the second round there is a top db that could step in replace Newsome
I do not see a starting tackle at this time at either of those draft positions.
Let’s agree to disagree and part as friends.
The biggest point on this year is that if it breaks right we could surrender less
Then 14 points per game so we could run the ball deep into the fourth quarter

I didn't know we had an actual disagreement. I never suggested we draft a LT in the first round during this upcoming draft. I was simply making the point that there have been drafts and players at the position that were worthy of drafting in the top 5 or 10 picks in the draft.

It's far too early for me, or anyone else for that matter, to predict accurately who will be on the board in any round when we pick. Sometimes we see runs on certain positions nobody saw coming. The college season is far from over. There have been no combines or player interviews. I have no issue in you having your own opinions on the matter but I don't think you can really predict some CB that could replace Newsome being on the board at our pick in round 2. Or a safety to replace Thornhill in round three. There will be players that will move up and down the draft boards between now and the draft which will shift everything.

We have a lot of needs. I simply hope they have enough sense to draft the best players at positions of need with the available picks they have. In the end isn't that what we all want?

Really like the way this draft is looking
Even if we draft the qb out out of lsu.

I did! It is, of course, early in the evaluation process, but at whatever pick we are at, if the value is there for a LT, then do it.

I'm certainly an "if you value is there" kind of guy. I just don't restrict that "if the value is there" to one position. I don't even know what pick we will have or how things will play out in reqards to the players at the top of the draft board after all is said and done.