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But, genius, we ARE stuck with a lot higher cost at qb, and that higher cost has gotten us nothing. Hell, a 1 year rental qb, last year AND this year have out performed the $230,000,000.00 man. Period.
And Baker is balling.
Drafting Baker didn't set this franchise back, at all. Going after dw, paying what we did, and tossing in 3 draft picks, however, did set this franchise back many, many years. Period. Then end. Baker Mayfield was 30 wins 30 losses as a Browns QB. He is 14 wins and 14 losses as Tampa Bay QB. Overall, in his career he is 47 wins vs 53 losses. Yes that is a franchise QB. We have a QB under center right now with similar stats as Baker and a very similar win loss record in Jamies Winston. It is not hard to get and have a Baker Mayfield type talent on a roster. If Josh Allen was drafted the team would have had a franchise QB and not had to make the trade for Watson. I do think the team needs to stick with Winston next couple years until there is an opportunity to get a true franchise QB.
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Look if all you wish to do is be critical why bother?
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What solutions do you have?
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And some more… Good question Bone! Get rid of DePodesta no matter what.
Find a new GM who knows how to build a competitive team, create some sort of healthy team culture and someone who doesn’t throw around money like confetti.
Release Watson in one way or another. His pure presence creates bad vibes.
Trade away some of the older players and get some additional draft picks.
Let Winston continue another season and reward his positive attitude.
Give Stefanski another season. If he can’t win more than 6-7 games in 2025 then search for a new HC.
Do something!
Right now this leadership is synonymous with a failure. Nothing will change until some of them are gone.and just tell us how firing Depo will make any difference? Mac JR
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He is the cfo official of a team that has won 1 playoff game in12 years
Your fired!!!
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Maybe we should sign Drew Lock this offseason. He looks like the type of QB the Browns like to have. 
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He is not the CFO.
Paul DePodesta is the Chief Strategy Officer for the Cleveland Browns.
Big difference. He is the Chief because he is the only CSO.
He does not make roster decisions. He does not make contract decisions. He is not a coach or coordinator.
He is a data analyst who uses data to spot useful trends that can help. He is basically a statistician.
His role is as an advisor.
I don't think he matters much in the big picture at all.
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But, genius, we ARE stuck with a lot higher cost at qb, and that higher cost has gotten us nothing. Hell, a 1 year rental qb, last year AND this year have out performed the $230,000,000.00 man. Period.
And Baker is balling.
Drafting Baker didn't set this franchise back, at all. Going after dw, paying what we did, and tossing in 3 draft picks, however, did set this franchise back many, many years. Period. Then end. Baker Mayfield was 30 wins 30 losses as a Browns QB. He is 14 wins and 14 losses as Tampa Bay QB. Overall, in his career he is 47 wins vs 53 losses. Yes that is a franchise QB. We have a QB under center right now with similar stats as Baker and a very similar win loss record in Jamies Winston. It is not hard to get and have a Baker Mayfield type talent on a roster. If Josh Allen was drafted the team would have had a franchise QB and not had to make the trade for Watson. I do think the team needs to stick with Winston next couple years until there is an opportunity to get a true franchise QB. The Browns were 0-16 the year before drafting Mayfield coached by Hugh Jackson (who was 1-15 the year before going 0-16)...the Bills were 9-7 the year before drafting Allen and made the playoffs as a wildcard with first-year coach McDermott and QB Tyrod Taylor. Mayfield came in cold on a Thursday night to break a 1-33 skid and ended up breaking the then-record for TD passes by a rookie for an entire season...while playing less than a full slate of games. Taking 1st team snaps for the first time on Friday after the first Browns win in well over a year. As a Brown, Mayfield's head coaches in four years were Jackson, Gregggg Williams, Kitchens and Stefanski...those first three guys aren't in any appreciable job in the NFL...McDermott is STILL the HC of the Bills and the ONLY HC Allen has played for. As a Buc, Mayfield took over for the GOAT on what was a re-building Buc roster. The Bucs won the division AND a playoff game. Mayfield took over a 0-16 team...Allen took over a playoff team. This notion that Allen would have been as successful in CLE as he is with BUF is laughable at best. I may as well claim that the Bills would have won two SBs by now had they drafted Mayfield instead of Allen. Mayfield's last healthy season for CLE he won our first playoff game in years and was one Chad Henne last-minute jailbreak away from going to the Conf Championship game with Jarvis Landry and Rashard Higgins as his go-to receivers. The Bucs FO and fan base absolutely love Mayfield..and we dumped him for Watson. We had a FQB and pi$$ed him away...for an absolute $1/4 billion turd. There is no way I would trust the creators of that ^ 'Course' to chart a 'New Course'.
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I can understand not trusting the front office to chart a new course.
However, I do not agree Baker is a franchise QB.
He would not be with his fourth team if so.
He is about average with a 500 record.
I like Baker but he is not a franchise quarterback.
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I agree with your assessment of Baker. Baker is a decent QB a little above average IMO. If you put Baker on Buffalo, Detroit , Kansas City Baltimore etc. they wouldn’t be as good as they are now. JMO
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But, genius, we ARE stuck with a lot higher cost at qb, and that higher cost has gotten us nothing. Hell, a 1 year rental qb, last year AND this year have out performed the $230,000,000.00 man. Period.
And Baker is balling.
Drafting Baker didn't set this franchise back, at all. Going after dw, paying what we did, and tossing in 3 draft picks, however, did set this franchise back many, many years. Period. Then end. Baker Mayfield was 30 wins 30 losses as a Browns QB. He is 14 wins and 14 losses as Tampa Bay QB. Overall, in his career he is 47 wins vs 53 losses. Yes that is a franchise QB. We have a QB under center right now with similar stats as Baker and a very similar win loss record in Jamies Winston. It is not hard to get and have a Baker Mayfield type talent on a roster. If Josh Allen was drafted the team would have had a franchise QB and not had to make the trade for Watson. I do think the team needs to stick with Winston next couple years until there is an opportunity to get a true franchise QB. The Browns were 0-16 the year before drafting Mayfield coached by Hugh Jackson (who was 1-15 the year before going 0-16)...the Bills were 9-7 the year before drafting Allen and made the playoffs as a wildcard with first-year coach McDermott and QB Tyrod Taylor. Mayfield came in cold on a Thursday night to break a 1-33 skid and ended up breaking the then-record for TD passes by a rookie for an entire season...while playing less than a full slate of games. Taking 1st team snaps for the first time on Friday after the first Browns win in well over a year. As a Brown, Mayfield's head coaches in four years were Jackson, Gregggg Williams, Kitchens and Stefanski...those first three guys aren't in any appreciable job in the NFL...McDermott is STILL the HC of the Bills and the ONLY HC Allen has played for. As a Buc, Mayfield took over for the GOAT on what was a re-building Buc roster. The Bucs won the division AND a playoff game. Mayfield took over a 0-16 team...Allen took over a playoff team. This notion that Allen would have been as successful in CLE as he is with BUF is laughable at best. I may as well claim that the Bills would have won two SBs by now had they drafted Mayfield instead of Allen. Mayfield's last healthy season for CLE he won our first playoff game in years and was one Chad Henne last-minute jailbreak away from going to the Conf Championship game with Jarvis Landry and Rashard Higgins as his go-to receivers. The Bucs FO and fan base absolutely love Mayfield..and we dumped him for Watson. We had a FQB and pi$$ed him away...for an absolute $1/4 billion turd. There is no way I would trust the creators of that ^ 'Course' to chart a 'New Course'. You can spin it anyway you want but Mayfield is a bust of a QB for #1 overall. Career under .500. Will never win a Superbowl. I guess the Browns have been so bad since the return mediocre is what we strive for now. Got it!
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Are you saying even just above mediocre wouldn't be an improvement over the 230 million dollar man? Point being we would be better off at the QB position while paying less and would have had all of those 1st round picks to help build the team in other ways. It was a lose/lose any way you slice it.
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Are you saying even just above mediocre wouldn't be an improvement over the 230 million dollar man? Point being we would be better off at the QB position while paying less and would have had all of those 1st round picks to help build the team in other ways. It was a lose/lose any way you slice it. What I am saying is the Browns lost when they selected Mayfield and a mediocre QB at best. In fact the Browns now have a QB at the helm Jamies Winston with very similar career stats and win loss record as Mayfield. Baker was drafted #1 overall not a late 1st round pick. Josh Allen should have been the pick and this franchise is paying the price for that bad selection. The draft pick was a miss and then this new FO attempted to right that wrong and traded for a QB that had better overall numbers than Mayfield. It did not work out. It was a swing and miss also. Even a worst swing and miss, no doubt but that trade would have never happened if the previous FO selected the right QB.
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I can understand not trusting the front office to chart a new course.
However, I do not agree Baker is a franchise QB.
He would not be with his fourth team if so.
He is about average with a 500 record.
I like Baker but he is not a franchise quarterback. He started with a Browns team that had lost .... what .... 20 in a row, or some ridiculous number? He turned the team around. That has to be taken into consideration when looking at his overal record. He went to an awful Carolina team. He then went to the Rams, and played well. The Rams have their franchise guy. The Browns thought they had traded for theirs. The Panthers were a mess. Baker is a solid to very good QB. He;s a lot better than any QB we have.
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I agree with Bone. He's a good mid-tier QB. A QB like Cousins, he will put up good stats, will blow up at times/will ball out at times, but nothing elite. The Niners game two weeks ago was a good example if any of you watched it.
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Just like when he was here. People make excuse after excuse for Mayfield!!!
Like not being able to lead a scoring drive in the final ten minutes when the Chiefs lost Mahomes and were being lead by a Michigan QB that no longer is in the league. Would not have mattered because Josh Allen was waiting. He was a terrible #! overall draft pick. At #1 overall a team should draft a Burrow and not a Baker. Not the Browns they left Josh Allen for the Bills.
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