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Thanks for the dig, Memphis...guess I should have expected such.

You know, it's funny how we were praised a couple years ago for being able to pivot seamlessly into a remote working environment, not only for actually meeting the demands of the work schedule, but exceeding the demands of our in-office work schedule.

But now, it's "CaN U BeLiEve ThEsE LaZy WoRkErS!?!?!?!?"

I've spent more time working into the night hours, especially when the schedule demands it because I have infrastructure at home. If we have a full return, my day will end promptly at 8 hours.

Lazy people are lazy no matter where they work. Only simpletons don't seem to be able to understand that.

But the simpletons are also ample in number.

And?

Is this a problem?

It's what they do. Attack the messenger while staying silent about the message. As you've been saying all along.... crickets.

Context has no meaning to them.

Because lolz, amirite!?

I love when executives tell me how excited I am to be back in the office.

I have a family member that does payroll for some base somewhere. She's 100% remote because she works in a different state than the base she does payroll for. She's scared because a return to office mandate would force her resignation/termination. This is a job that she does independently behind a computer screen. Literally does not make 1 bit of difference whether she does her job from a cubicle, her home, the toilet, etc as long as she has her computer and a stable internet connection.

Seems like with over 40,000 employees working remotely, it would be quite a while before remote work that makes sense would be affected.

I would be EXTREMELY surprised if a mandated RTO was done with even a shred of the intelligence you're insinuating here. One only has to look at what Musk did at Twitter when he took over.

There have been C suite members that have said part of the return to office mandate was designed to force resignations. If you can get em to quit you don't have to pay out like you do on redundancies.

You would only be required to work 8 hours? Good luck with that when back in the office.

Covid was over years ago.

I consider you a friend, but if you are going to adopt a punch the clock mentality, you might not survive the purge...and there will be a purge.

Odd choice of a word.......

Plot of movie The Purge

In an America ravaged by crime and overcrowded prisons, the government sanctions an annual 12-hour period during which all criminal activity -- including murder -- is legal. James Sandin (Ethan Hawke) and his family face the ultimate test when an intruder drags the vicious outside world into their home. James, Mary (Lena Headey) and their two children struggle to survive the night while trying not to turn into monsters like the ones they are striving to avoid.

Odd indeed.

The word "purge" entered the English language during the Middle English period, with the earliest known usage appearing around the 14th century, derived from the Latin word "purgare" meaning "to purify" or "purge."

Lighten up Francis.

None of us were alive in the 14th century and Latin is a language few Americans speak.

That's assuming that all that quit are also redundant.

It's hilarious that this is all you took away from his post.

Once the dust settles you rebalance and decide if there are to be separations. It is still cheaper, at least in payroll costs. We lost a lot of institutional knowledge needlessly.

In addition to the fact they are doing it - per Ramaswamy's own words - in effort to reduce the work force. So I get to be excited about both coming back into the office and being understaffed.

Yeah, exactly. That's what it boils down to. Set the metrics for the employees. Are they performing? If yes, then who the hell cares. One of our best negotiators is remote. If we lose him, that's more money down the drain in terms of how much we'll save in negotiations. Hell, the guy works very closely to a defense contractor, so maybe he'll turn around and work for them, and start gouging us even more.

You just race down some strange off-ramps lately. I thought you libs would be working on toning down the crazy rhetoric. 😵‍💫

And I expected some of you top step up to the plate. I'm no less disappointed than you are.

I consider you a friend as well. A curmedgeony friend, but a friend still

I have never adopted a punch the clock mentality. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I earned employee of the year for my current office...in 2021, when COVID hit. I earned my way through the ranks and sit atop my office. I'm confident what I do in eight hours is more than many can do in double that. Part of that comes from the drive, and part of it comes from experience and tenacity in wanting to fight the good fight. I went TDY to a defense contractor in October to confront them about something face-to-face. When I got down there, the people I was going to meet with suddenly became "ill" and couldn't make the meeting. I wear that like a badge of honor.

But if you're telling me you don't trust me to do my job wherever, despite the fact I was named EOtY and my performance metrics, then fine, I won't go above and beyond. Even if I gave 8 hours, getting rid of me would be more than spiting your nose to cut off your face.

More than that, I have had offers from industry to join their ranks. I don't do it because I'm morally opposed. There is a desire among industry to hire those who out-negotiate them and become a thorn in their side. Many of them operate remotely. If the DOGE-bags think that I'm expendable, I could wreak a hell of a lot more havoc from the other side than they could repair.

So yeah, if you want me back in the office and don't want to show me accommodation, none will be given back to you. The way it should work.

I understand. It is crazy. But I am still employed and I was told our product was "very important to the company and customers." Yay.. can we hire some help now?

Some people have been programmed to believe that business is a one way street. That while you should owe your employer every accommodation in the world they should owe you no accommodations in return.

Some people have options that grant them the ability to pivot in another direction if and when they so choose. They are beholden to no one.

NO!

That has become the way of things, and very justifiably so. It has become clear, ever since Jack Welch took over as CEO of GE, that loyalty to employees is a thing of the past. Employees now are viewed as a "cost" so why in the hell would we ever show unfettering loyalty to the company(ies) that see us as a "cost."

You got that right.

It isn't a one-way street, it is an agreement.
You do this job and I will pay you this much money

If you are unwilling or unable to do the job you get fired.
If the pay for said job is unacceptable then you quit.

At one time there was loyalty between both employer and employee
Then it was a one way deal, loyalty to the company.
Now? there is no loyalty in any direction

Yeah.... maybe. But often times they change the rules as they go along. It's like, "Oh and we forgot to tell you about these other things when we hired you....or..... Our company policies just changed to.... Or our health insurance coverage just changed.

That's not a complete list just some of the things I've encountered. I was fortunate to have a skill set and position that was always needed and the demand always outnumbered the supply. Negotiating a better deal with a new employer was fairly easy.

It’s no coincidence that Welch shifted the mantra from “loyalty to customers” and “loyalty to employees” entirely in the direction of “loyalty to the shareholders.” In a world of smaller businesses and a “greater good” culture, the two-way street was much more prevalent.

Following the jab-cross of shareholders above all else with the seemingly endless mergers and acquisitions, employees began to be referred to and treated more like lines on a spreadsheet.

The next logical step was for employees to emphasize opportunism of their own.

Dangerous ignorance.

It’s amazing, by the way, how many people are taking the bait.

“Hey, we need to fix our deficit!”

“Yeah! Maybe we should fix tax loopholes or end tax breaks for the uber rich in a country with an enormous wealth gap???”

“Nah, make the federal employees drive to work.”

What’s funny too is the number of office space that would have to be leased again and the reinvestment in infrastructure to support that “return to work.” But nobody talks about that.

Twitter 2.0….

Posting office space quotes is now dangerous? Good grief, what is this country coming to?

What the hell is so dangerous? 🤣

Uhh... don't we, at least those of us that pay taxes, already pay for all these buildings to be empty?

It is dangerous. Dangerous that there’s a furtherance of the stupid ass ignorance from something that DOGEy pulled out of his own arse. He keeps parroting all kinds of crap on Twitter and has been for quite sometime and people lap that crap up and have some lame ass way if saying “Oh, it’s just a joke.” BS.

You can laugh all you want. Keep in mind there are those of us this affects personally.

And no, it’s not entirely true that you’re paying for these buildings to be empty. We’ve cut back on a significant amount of leasing spaces. DC ain’t the only place federal workers go to work. The place where I work cut down on a significant amount of infrastructure costs as a result, and like I’ve inferred before, they get a lot more than forty hours out of me but still pay me for 40 hours, unlike the stupid crap Squires and Memphis are subtly sewing. Do you know how many ignorant ass comments I keep reading about “gravy train is over” from Musk’s dumbass minions? Way too many. Well guess what, treat me like a number, and I ain’t going above and beyond anymore.

Like the central point of the joke I made, which apparently flew over your head, you can keep buying into the straw man argument that is being used as a distraction, or you can actually try to think critically about what’s going on.

Odd only in your mind. If it makes you feel better, call it streamlining, or cutting the fat, or downsizing.

I don't think anybody in here can say the government is as lean as it can be. Some sections are pretty lean. Others not lean enough. I don't like to see a purge. I know that impacts people, but the time has come.

Just remember one thing, when the old boss leaves there is mostly a feeling of doom and gloom. Even if you don't like the person, people like the familiar. Your post above is exactly the type of person I have had you pegged. An outstanding individual and we have been conversing since you might have been in high school.

Indeed, I am curmudgeonly. Always have been and have seen a lot in my time. Experience tells me that the actual changes perceived are rarely as bad when implemented. All I am saying my friend is don't go in to this with a bad attitude. I have never seen that work out well for people.

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His post was so effing stupid.

Dude should start every DT day by reading his comments, within the flow of the conversations, from the day before. I know it would add a lot of time during which no posts are being logged, but it would most likely having him penning some more reasonable responses. Right now he's stuck firmly in "pigs don't know pigs stink" land.