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how do we still have 4 more games

Why are we still playing Jamison Winston? We need to see Zappe to make a decision on the next draft. Are the same decision makers about Watson making this decision?

- The Lord doth not smile on Jameis. He is what he's always been.

- The Browns signed Toney to the active roster and he manages to get a taunting penalty called on him on a fair catch and fumbles a punt. Symbolic of this entire season and franchise.

- Martin Emerson continues to get taken to the woodshed.

- A sweep on 4th and a foot.

- Hopkins is toast. Bad look for Berry and his laser eyes giving him that extension when he had a year left on his deal.

- Nine penalties.

- Lots of holes on this roster with very players that show growth and promise.

Go Cavs!

How many of those comments are a direct reflection of the GM and coaching? Most/All ....

The sweep on 4th down against a D that cealry has a ton of speed was the last straw. I laughed and left the room.

You serious? NE got rid of Zappe because he sucks, the NFL has seen enough of Zappe because he sucks, he can't crack past DTR in practice because he sucks, so why do we need to see him?

next year's QB can't be on the roster. Winston is the exact same QB he's always been - that isn't changing

Hold the horses my boys. Don’t try to use logic or common sense, people will get confused.

Who was the better Tampa to Browns interception machine? Winston or Testaverde?

It's not all on Winston today, but a good amount is.

Having a better field goal kicker changes the complexion of the game. We may not go for it on that 4th and 1 in our own territory which resulted in one of the dumbest 4th and 1 calls I've ever seen with running Ford wide. Should have challenged that spot and ran a sneak. But in the grande scheme it didn't matter much. We got our rear ends handed to us in Pittsburgh yet again.

Just tank it the rest of the way, put Zappe in to please some of the fans and watch him fall flat on his face. At least he'll get us closer to the #1 pick.

Last year Hopkins was money in the bank. The D was ranked at the top of the league. This year???? How can things have gotten so bad in such a short time?

Sign K. Toney to an extension. He's definitely a Brown after that performance. He belongs here!!!

Toney is what he always has been - cut him honestly

FIFY.

Hopkins is a good kicker, just not this year, and his misses changed everything. Momentum, scoreboard, mindset. I’m not worried about him next year, there’s already enough to worry about. He’s got the yips and has me calling him all sorts of bad names, but he’ll be better. It should have been 13-13 in the third quarter. For god sake, make a kick.

I thought Ford ran as hard today than I’ve ever seen him run, nice kickoff return.

We made a bunch of mistakes today; penalties, Toney being a goof when he’s a bubble player, the 4th and run sweep was a bad play call, Winston’s second INT was a bad decision in that situation. So was his first.

Steelers were better but we helped them.

Here me out bruh... it's best to lose out at this point and every bad team needs a scapegoat.

I'm really unsure about Hopkins, I think he's shot. Once a guy gets the yips like this it seems he never shakes them and is done. Those were routine, short kicks that should be made 100% of the time in this day and age.

This season and this roster is why I think there will be changes made, You brought back the same staff for the most part, all the same players on both sides, no major injury bug, yet it looks like every single player has taken two steps back. We've been playing this game for almost 5 years now, thats plenty of time to take a step forward. We are up and down, up and down. Berry has been one of the worst GM's we've ever had, I don't care that he's younger and seems like he's a nice guy.. He sucks as a talent evaluator, sucks as a draft director, sucks at cap management, has handed out some doozy contracts, kept guys way longer than should have, careless with picks. Its time to blow it up. we have the most expensive roster in the NFL, we have the 5th oldest roster in the NFL and what do we have to show for it. This isn't about being a Berry hater, he is what he is, I have nothing against him personally, I just think he was a DEI hire with no real accomplishments and shouldn't have been put in the position he was. The other part of that is another guy with ZERO accomplishments in the NFL in Depodesta being involved at all is a travesty, having the power he holds in the decision making process and Org strategy is just untenable. I mean if you're going to play moneyball and want a guy who doesn't know anything about the NFL, just go get the guy who came up with moneyball in beane, atleast he's been in the chair

Same staff WTF are you talking about?

New offensive Cordinator in 2024 and he is now calling the plays.
We lost the best O-line coach in the NFL
Stump Mitchell was replaced with Duce Staley.
Tc McCartney was replaced by Tommy Rees
We Lost Scott Peters our assistant O-line coach

GEEZ New offensive cordinator
New guy calling plays
New O-line coach
New assistant o-line coach
New RB coach
New TE coach
New DL coach
New Offensive Assistant/Run Game Specialist Nick Charlton


Yep sure looks like the same old staff


I would be LMAO but it's not funny that you can't see the mash unit that we have had to field this year. Just try something here.... OPEN your eyes and actually watch.


Well that statement right there just reinforces the watching with your eyes open comment. I mean hell you told us all year long how bad the Cavs sucked the year they won the NBA Championship.


Oh here we go again... you went from watching with your eyes closed to making up fairy tales AGAIN.

Watching this crap from the browns makes a Browns fan want to fight a Browns fan .

Some good some bad but in the end, a loss.

Winston is fun to watch until he isn't. Not exactly sure what causes him to throw all those picks...

Hopkins - it was fun while it lasted.

Winston - this is why he's a backup. I do hope we keep him around next year. He's better than Watson and he'll be cheap.

Toney - lol

I understand wanting to take big swings on low floor/high ceiling guys, but I really hope we don't see Toney again.

This team's lack of accountability has (maybe) never been more highlighted than the act of running Toney back out there after he managed to get a taunting penalty on a fair catch.

From whoever decided to sign him...to whoever decided to make him active on gameday...to whoever ran him back out there...to Toney himself.

It's not even a clown show.

Everything has just seemed disjointed since August - no cohesion, no consistency, too many penalties, mistakes, injuries ... not to mention an aging OL, regressing secondary, and Chubb/Njoku obviously not what they once were

The only bright spot IMO has been the WR corps since Watson went down

I decided to watch Seven Samurai for those 3.5 hours instead. After that was finished, I took about 30 minutes to scan through the game. Even that was too long. They're starting to lose my interest and care, which is very sad as a fan for nearly 40 years of my life.

youre the biggest homer on this board, sorry your opinions are never objective.. and yes, the staff is the same.. same GM, same HC same DC so taking steps back because those positional coaches don't matter either or don't reflect on this staff ability to identify talent.. gtfo with that bs..and no...we do not have worse injuries this year than last year sorry.. You know what, nvm I have you on ignore for a reason. but I will say as far as the opening eyes... try it sometime... as a btw... give me 3 players Berry has brought in in 5 years that have made a POSITIVE impact... i'll wait.

So you're saying swapping out the OC and then changing it up so that he's calling plays... after your starting QB goes down that you tried to Frankenstein an offense around... is "the same" as last year?


Dude... that alone is totally bogus... and it doesn't even take into account the injuries we had on the Oline to start the year (we're now on the 2nd backup LT), coaching turnover for the same Oline.

This’s Berry’s roster. On every position.

Nope I just speak up when somebody like you posts lies. Facts are facts


I didn't post an opinion.


Position coaches don't matter ROTFLMFAO "Oh Bless your heart "


Just more lies as I never once said our injuries were worse this year than last year.

Jack Conklin
Shelby Harris
Joe Flacco
Jamis Winston
Amari Cooper
Anthony Walker
Dalvin Tomlinson
JOK
Juan Thornhill
Ogbo Okoronkwo
Jerry Judy
Grant Delpit
Greg Newsome
Martin Emerson Jr.
Jerome Ford
Dawand Jones
Luke Wypler
Wyatt Teller
Jarvis Landry


and that's off the top of my head. Grab your calculator so you can figure out that's more than 3

Especially if those people are located in Berea. The entire organizational structure is a clown show. But please, let the meetings, analytics and collaborative decision making continue. It's been SO effective thus far. SMH

And the EXACT reason he needs to go. But he won't and the Browns will continue to suck until the change is made. Honestly Haslam is completely incompetent as an owner. Just build your stadium and hopefully season ticket holders will wise up and stop spending their hard earned money on your garbage product. An empty stadium is the only thing Haslam deserves at this point. I know he doesn't care but it would be nice to see.

I think Hop is done. Replace him. What is his sub gonna do? Miss a kick, cost us a game? Snakebit, and not mentally tough enough to get back on the horse. Or cut him and stop going for PAT's the rest off the season.

PSA: I made it, turned 70 today!

Happy Birthday!

Happy 70th my man.

happy birthday buddy!

That's a big one, buddy! Happy Birthday!

I'll tell you what, we can't do it this year, but I bet you we get you a championship before 90!

Happy Birthday!

The Bills with their 10-3 record and Josh Allen with his 6 TDs (none thrown to the other team), sure do miss Dorsey!

Looking at the games JW has played, some really adequate passing and QBing. But to be fair, he seems to be a turnover waiting to happen, often in the worst way at the worst time. Seems like he should be considered as capable of at least three picks up to about as many as six. I am referencing the picks he has made, 2-3/game, and also some passes which might be/should be/could well have been. He has good motor, undeniably! For me, a little less rah-rah, a little more hit the open receivers, fewer picks, and stop taking sacks. Get DW outta town.

But, it's a lot better watching him than dw. Amazing how our receivers were, we were told, never open down field. JW comes in, and bam, they're open. Yup, some INT's to go with it, no doubt.

I agree, Arch. You get two choices: picks or sacks, multiple in course of a game. JW is betterIMO.

The QB play is definitely eye-opening in terms of effect on the line's performance as well as receivers.

But I also feel like it's overshadowing the mediocre play of our defense. Winston is a backup for a reason, and I personally would want to dig more into why our nUmBeR wOnE!1! defense seems to struggle to get critical stops.

Best thing about this game was the Discord chat...

Oober; our D has given up a ton of big plays, true, and hasn’t really lit it up turnover-wise, either. Lots of things have gone wrong.

That’s why we’re 3-10!! Lol

It’s just been a tire-fire season in general. Watson’s play, ST suckness, turnovers and back- breaking breakdowns in the secondary.

Happy belated, Bard!

Bubba Ventrone and all the O-line coaches need to go. Go back to the successful run blocking scheme that was successful with Chubb in the past.

Your post sounds like a knee-jerk, but I honestly wouldn't mind us seeing taking a VERY hard look at our Oline coaching. IIRC, we lost both Callahan AND his successor in the same off-season. Callahan alone would've been a big blow, but then also losing the guy that was supposed to replace him really sucks.

Ventrone has been nothing but a disappointment here.

Agreed.

Hope we can steal Hank Fraley from the Lions