now is not the time to call for a ceasefire in ukraine, especially after Putin is losing his most important ally in the middle east. Iran is reeling from Hezbollah and Hamas being decimated. Russia now heavily reliant on North Korea arms and personnel to keep his invasion attempt going. There's absolutely no reason to appease Putin and give him a win.
The ONLY way a ceasefire and peace negotiation should even be considered is if Ukraine agrees to give up some Russian-occupied territory in exchange for immediate NATO membership.
a ceasefire in ukraine grants Putin an opportunity to reinforce his presence in Syria, as that was the only reason Assad was able to come out on top in the civil war.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I explained it so simply a child of 12 could understand it considering who I was dealing with. If that wasn't easy enough for you, that's a you problem. Where's a good yawn emoji when you need one?
Carry on.....
I'm not going to help you trash this thread too. The adults are trying to have a discussion.
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Yes but then we are discussing a Putin sympathizer who has no idea how any of that works being in charge.
yep, which is why im glad what's happening in Syria is going on now before Trump is in charge.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I explained it so simply a child of 12 could understand it considering who I was dealing with. If that wasn't easy enough for you, that's a you problem. Where's a good yawn emoji when you need one?
Carry on.....
I'm not going to help you trash this thread too. The adults are trying to have a discussion.
That and the fact he said Putin and China should be the nations to broker the deal......
"I know Vladimir well. This is his time to act. China can help. The World is waiting!" Trump added, referring to Russian President Putin.
never in my life have i seen an American go out of their way to appease the Russians like Trump has. especially when our greatest enemy is is losing their grip on the middle east.
Traitorous in every interaction. What else would you expect from an obviously imbecilic coward? But hey, with this popping off right now, maybe Bad Brandon can score one more gut punch for Putin before hand. Ukraine has been kicking Putin’s ass with little hand controlled toy drones with explosives. Not much more than a kids toy has all but grounded Russian aggression and turned the tide of the war against Putin. Trump is literally Putin’s ONLY WAY out of the mess he created. We could see the end of the Putin Regime if Trump doesn’t sell out… Poor Ukraine.
Trump calling for a ceasefire after Syria's fall is not the way to keep the pressure on Putin.
Russia's war time propped up economy is also a house of cards that could very well fall by the end of 2025 as well. Now is the time to keep up the pressure, Churchill style. But now it looks like we're aiming to Chamberlain the whole damn thing into existing into perpetuity and/or getting worse in the long run.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
now is not the time to call for a ceasefire in ukraine, especially after Putin is losing his most important ally in the middle east. Iran is reeling from Hezbollah and Hamas being decimated. Russia now heavily reliant on North Korea arms and personnel to keep his invasion attempt going. There's absolutely no reason to appease Putin and give him a win.
The ONLY way a ceasefire and peace negotiation should even be considered is if Ukraine agrees to give up some Russian-occupied territory in exchange for immediate NATO membership.
a ceasefire in ukraine grants Putin an opportunity to reinforce his presence in Syria, as that was the only reason Assad was able to come out on top in the civil war.
This. 100% this. It's really not all that complicated.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
I explained it so simply a child of 12 could understand it considering who I was dealing with. If that wasn't easy enough for you, that's a you problem. Where's a good yawn emoji when you need one?
Carry on.....
I'm not going to help you trash this thread too. The adults are trying to have a discussion.
Why should this thread be any different?
You just hate anyone else having anything to say.
Because one of us needs to act like an adult and it sure as hell isn't going to be you.
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Moscow Confirms Syria's Assad Has Been Granted Political Asylum
The Kremlin has announced that Russia has granted political asylum to former Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in a decision made personally by President Vladimir Putin. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov declined to provide details about Assad's current location and stated that President Putin has no plans to meet with him at this time.
This development follows the recent overthrow of Assad's government by Syrian rebels, ending nearly 14 years of civil war. The conflict has left Syria divided among various armed groups, raising concerns about a potential security vacuum in the region.
Russia has two significant bases in the country, including its only Mediterranean naval port at Tartus, and has been a long-standing ally of Assad's regime, having provided military and political support throughout the civil war. The granting of asylum reflects Russia's continued involvement in Syrian affairs and its interest in the country's future stability.
On Sunday, the Russian foreign ministry announced that Assad "decided to resign the presidency and left the country, giving instructions for a peaceful transfer of power," ending speculation as to his whereabouts.
Russian news agencies quoted a Kremlin source as saying that Assad and his family had arrived in Moscow and been granted asylum "out of humanitarian considerations."
Bashar al-Assad has not been seen publicly since meeting with the Iranian foreign minister in Damascus a week ago, during which he vowed to "crush" the rapidly advancing rebels, who have since taken control of the capital and the majority of Assad's territory under the leadership of former al-Qaeda commander Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani, who heads the militant group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham.
The international community is closely monitoring the situation, as the power shift in Syria could have significant implications for regional dynamics and global security.
The US military struck 75 ISIS targets in Syria as Assad's government fell
The US military said it carried out dozens of precision strikes against ISIS targets in central Syria on Sunday.
The widespread airstrikes came after a dayslong blitz by rebel forces that ultimately led to the downfall of Syria's longtime leader, Bashar Assad. Russian state news media reported Sunday that Assad had arrived in Moscow, where he was given asylum.
US Central Command, which oversees Middle East operations, said it struck ISIS leaders, operatives, and camps to prevent the terrorist group from rebuilding in central Syria amid the chaos.
Centcom said it used US Air Force B-52 bombers, F-15 fighter jets, and A-10 attack aircraft to strike over 75 targets, adding that battle damage assessments are underway. A senior administration official, speaking to reporters, described the operation as "significant" and said about 140 munitions were used. It is unclear what missiles or bombs may have been used.
"There should be no doubt — we will not allow ISIS to reconstitute and take advantage of the current situation in Syria," Gen. Michael Erik Kurilla, the Centcom commander, said in a statement. "All organizations in Syria should know that we will hold them accountable if they partner with or support ISIS in any way."
Syrian anti-government forces announced early on Sunday morning that they had taken control of Damascus. It was the culmination of 13 years of civil war, which began in 2011 after Assad's forces violently cracked down on peaceful demonstrators.
Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, an organization that traces its origins to Al Qaeda but has since split from the group and portrayed itself as more moderate, launched the surprise offensive in late November. The rebels quickly took control of Aleppo, one of Syria's largest cities, Hama, and the strategic city of Homs before advancing into Damascus.
President Joe Biden, in a press briefing on Sunday, acknowledged that the US conducted airstrikes "targeting ISIS camps and ISIS operatives" inside Syria.
"We're clear-eyed about the fact that ISIS will try to take advantage of any vacuum to re-establish its capability to create a safe haven," Biden said. "We will not let that happen."
Biden said that the US would support Syria's neighbors Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, and Israel "should any threat arise from Syria during this transition."
The United States has about 900 troops in Syria carrying out missions against ISIS. Biden said on Sunday that these forces will remain in the country despite Assad's ouster.
The US routinely works with local forces in Syria and neighboring Iraq to carry out operations against ISIS, dozens of which have taken place in recent months.
I'm replying to you only because your posts are the ones that I see, so this isn't targeted at you. I have a favor to ask.
If you guys can take the bickering into one of the Libtard/Repub-crazy threads, I'd appreciate it. While it's usually kinda amusing to see someone on my screen going back and forth with one of the "You are ignoring this user" people, this is one of the few threads that I try to follow closely.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I said to my wife over the weekend as the news in Syria was coming out and with the moves being made in Ukraine over the last few weeks that this all smells like a coordinated US effort to exert some serious behind the scenes moves to weaken and distract Putin as much as possible before Jan 20th. I’m not at all surprised to hear about shots at ISIS after he ran but I’m waiting to hear that we played a pretty active role in toppling Assad himself as well. I’m going to go ahead and assume we made a move to put Putin on his back foot with Iran and make the Middle East much more complicated for him in the coming months. Who knows how it pans out. Just look to Egypt, Libya and of course Iraq for how good intentions pave the road to hell when toppling horrible corrupt strongmen. Careful what you wish for. There no guarantee the next guy isn’t worse and even more in Putin’s lap. I’ll bet Israeli, US & Russian assets are moving very quickly and covertly over there right now. It’s a big chess match playing out as we speak.
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I think it’s serendipitous. I think HTS is horrific. They will not run a very human rights focused country and will be enemies of us for sure. I don’t think there’s any way we backed them. Now Türkiye on the other hand…
I don’t think HTS will align themselves with Russia. And even if they did, it would triangulate Russia, HTS and Iran, who Russia very much needs right now.
I don’t think any of this is good for us, individually as the US, but it is bad for Russia and Iran.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Trump calling for a ceasefire after Syria's fall is not the way to keep the pressure on Putin.
Russia's war time propped up economy is also a house of cards that could very well fall by the end of 2025 as well. Now is the time to keep up the pressure, Churchill style. But now it looks like we're aiming to Chamberlain the whole damn thing into existing into perpetuity and/or getting worse in the long run.
I don't think it is quite that stark, but maybe you are right. My only reservation is if things go as you think for Russia over the next year or so, do you think that Putin is unhinged enough, or could become unhinged enough to start lobbing nukes?
When playing Chess, when a player finally gets in to a futile position, the custom is to lay down your King. Every now and then you have a player who wipes all of the pieces off the board.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Trump calling for a ceasefire after Syria's fall is not the way to keep the pressure on Putin.
Russia's war time propped up economy is also a house of cards that could very well fall by the end of 2025 as well. Now is the time to keep up the pressure, Churchill style. But now it looks like we're aiming to Chamberlain the whole damn thing into existing into perpetuity and/or getting worse in the long run.
I don't think it is quite that stark, but maybe you are right. My only reservation is if things go as you think for Russia over the next year or so, do you think that Putin is unhinged enough, or could become unhinged enough to start lobbing nukes?
When playing Chess, when a player finally gets in to a futile position, the custom is to lay down your King. Every now and then you have a player who wipes all of the pieces off the board.
There has been a number of articles/in-depth looks into how Russia is engaging in conflicts around the world. They press hard on social media and infiltrate a country's mainstream media to project their voice and influence. I can understand people being uneasy with Putin's mental state, but (IMO) when we start hearing about being scared of Putin escalating (especially when it's from certain folks) it's because Putin wants us to hesitate.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Trump calling for a ceasefire after Syria's fall is not the way to keep the pressure on Putin.
Russia's war time propped up economy is also a house of cards that could very well fall by the end of 2025 as well. Now is the time to keep up the pressure, Churchill style. But now it looks like we're aiming to Chamberlain the whole damn thing into existing into perpetuity and/or getting worse in the long run.
I don't think it is quite that stark, but maybe you are right. My only reservation is if things go as you think for Russia over the next year or so, do you think that Putin is unhinged enough, or could become unhinged enough to start lobbing nukes?
When playing Chess, when a player finally gets in to a futile position, the custom is to lay down your King. Every now and then you have a player who wipes all of the pieces off the board.
No I don’t, but it he’s sure as hell relying on us thinking that, hence his repeated claim that he’s literally going nuclear every time there’s even a negative headline in his favor. Arch actually summarized the dynamic very well in his last post on the topic.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
I also do think it is that stark. The difference being that Russian leadership controls the narrative. None of us knew exactly how bad the situation was in Syria and then boom! House of cards collapsed. Not saying Russia is Syria, but you can bet they will put a very tight lid on how bad a situation is.
The best metaphor I’ve heard regarding Russia’s current economic situation is that they are throwing the living room furniture into their fire (wartime based economy) to keep it lit. We all see a roaring fire, but we have to pay attention to how it’s being fueled, and what is being sacrificed to fuel it.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Arch actually summarized the dynamic very well in his last post on the topic.
He really did. And is doing so, he laid bare the essence of the issue.
Putin will not be The One Who Nukes The World's Future.
**PREDICTION**
He will do his best to slip away with all his billions... a fool's errand, considering his high-visibility international profile. Where can he hide? He will evade consequences for as long as his resources and survival instincts allow (see above). He will eventually meet his end, somewhere between Bashar Al-Assad (currently on the run to Putin's politically-bankrupt Moscow... how's that for irony?) and Saddam Hussein (apprehended in his underwear, in a shallow hole in the desert).
...but he won't ever risk nuking any part of a world that still gives him some place to hide... and Putin has places on all continents to hide. Which means: no nukes of any sort, anywhere.
A nuke of any sort, anywhere on this planet, fx up this dude's total exit strategy... and Putin has property on every one of our continents.
We should be able to take this one off the table, when dealing with Putin. He's not going to poison his next (potential) home, when his international criminal empire crumbles.
I'll just further your prediction and say - if it were come to pass - he would go to Venezuela with his riches. They desperately need it and he'd probably live under armed guard on some beach.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
this is the part where some american oil exec needs to move in asap
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The current oil market isn't going to be helping Russia out, either.
But yes, I foresee a Trump admin easing up on sanctions and giving Russia some breathing room.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I saw that. Syria also. It's beginning to crumble. I'm sure we'll come to the rescue, though...
he came out and said it was bad for Biden to authorize ukraine to use the new missiles. he doesnt get it. too many people think appeasement is a viable option.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
If he chooses to focus his ire on using our missiles to strike into Russia, but leaves sanctions alone to keep doing their thing, I think I can be happy with that.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
from that standpoint, yea i agree. but for me that's the problem with the US strategy on ukraine; trickle down, appeasement. Russia only respects countries that punch back. people forget that there are civilians in the middle of the conflict that arent privileged to be in a position worrying about geopolitics.
and then with trump, i dont get it. he's the most powerful person in the world, nevermind the US. i dont understand why someone like trump would bow to anyone. he's more powerful than putin, yet he refuses to act like it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I will say with Russia bombing the hell out of Ukraine with the United States preventing Ukraine to return fire in equal fashion would do nothing to motivate Putin to end the war or offer a reasonable settlement to the war. I do not see in any way how that would make sense and I'm disappointed biden took so long to give Ukraine permission to use the missiles we provided to do so.
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I don't like it either, but I'm trying to rein in my expectations on Ukraine with Trump about to take office. I think sanctions and the US doing its part to keep supply high are the two things that stand the best chance of staying in place after he's sworn in. I think anything that even hints at battlefield conflict with Russia will be taken off the table when it's up to Trump, so now we have to start betting on Russia falling apart from within.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I saw that. Syria also. It's beginning to crumble. I'm sure we'll come to the rescue, though...
he came out and said it was bad for Biden to authorize ukraine to use the new missiles. he doesnt get it. too many people think appeasement is a viable option.
I saw that as well. That had me pretty ticked off.
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Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
from that standpoint, yea i agree. but for me that's the problem with the US strategy on ukraine; trickle down, appeasement. Russia only respects countries that punch back. people forget that there are civilians in the middle of the conflict that arent privileged to be in a position worrying about geopolitics.
and then with trump, i dont get it. he's the most powerful person in the world, nevermind the US. i dont understand why someone like trump would bow to anyone. he's more powerful than putin, yet he refuses to act like it.
There's just something so different about the way he treats Putin. Don't know what's going on there, but you could see it throughout his administration, you could see it during the debates. Something there really stinks.
That being said, yeah, you're absolutely right on how Russia respects other countries. They only understand leverage. Appeasement to them means you're weak and they can take advantage.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
trump has always seemed to compliment and brag about the strength of authoritarian dictators. It isn't just Putin. He has even invited Chinese President Xi Jinping to his inauguration.
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I saw that. Syria also. It's beginning to crumble. I'm sure we'll come to the rescue, though...
he came out and said it was bad for Biden to authorize ukraine to use the new missiles. he doesnt get it. too many people think appeasement is a viable option.
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