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On the bright side, we only have to watch THIS team one more week.

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this has been the worst season as a fan IMO


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Our offense is non-existent! Dorsey and all OC's have to go. DTR has no chance out there. We have no shot in Baltimore....


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DTR is terrible, Dorsey is terrible, and Stefanski doesn’t seem to have any passion whatsoever. What an awful season.

I don’t mind losing at this point because I want the high draft pick. But I don’t even know who we’d want if we had No. 1. None of the QBs thrill me, so what are we gonna do, take a boring lineman? Yeesh.

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I'd say draft the best defensive player available with out first pick, lets build an elite defense again, then draft an OLine player with a day 2 pick. Problem with all that is if we want to get a QB in the 2026 draft, we might have to low a pick to get one

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KS should have yanked DTR in the third quarter. He also should have kicked the field goal in the fourth quarter to make it a one-score game. DTR is not even third-string worthy. Wasted pick. I also give our D props for keeping us in the game when the offence was stinking it up.
Plus side, Strong had a few good runs, McGuire looked solid again, as did Hall. We basically crushed their running attack.
Oh and DHop made everything!

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Forfeit. Stay home. My eyes ached after it was done. I was happy for Myles! He is worthy.

Sit DTR. Can we trade Dorsey? Have we seen enough to know what we have? This was as stupid a game as I have seen offensively. Great punting. Is Vrabel busy next week?


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Originally Posted by boofers20
I'd say draft the best defensive player available with out first pick, lets build an elite defense again, then draft an OLine player with a day 2 pick. Problem with all that is if we want to get a QB in the 2026 draft, we might have to low a pick to get one

You'd probably need to say draft the best defensive player at about pick #15 then, if you want to fulfil the second part there. You'll need to trade out of a high 1st round pick to get a 1st rounder in 2026 and have the 'no matter what' type ammunition.


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The 3rd pick is secured.

There's no way we win next week against a Ravens team that has plenty to play for.

The tank is successful, no rant today. Thank you DTR for being one of the worst qb's in franchise history.

Rant: Now we get to watch Berry screw up the draft. So what's next? Trade down? Pass on a QB and sign an aging vet with no arm to handle the conditions here? Can't wait to see how Berry will set us back even further. I'm sure it will be something unimaginable. Rant to be continued then.....

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Dorian may be the worst QB in football. Horrrrrrible. Wonder where Rishuz is these days. That's his boy and he is hot garbage. The whole offense just sucks so bad. Hope there there not tanking for Jador. He's got bust written all over him. Ward, i could live with. Hopefully, trade down.

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I didn't watch that dumpster fire so I have no rants about it. I have always watched the Browns no matter how much they suck, but Baker playing so well for some other team just broke me. That was our QB and we traded him and 3 first rounds for a terrible cap situation and an awful sex predator QB. I give up. I have lost my desire to watch this loser team play. Fire everybody involved in that decision. And fire our OC also, because he sucks. Also, anyone who thinks DTR is the answer is an idiot. I like Ski, but if he ever thought DTR was the answer, he needs to go also.

We are not going to get a franchise QB in the offseason, so we have at least 1 more year of sucking to try to get a #1 draft pick QB. What a waste.

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Originally Posted by FATE

And will likely asked to be traded because of the utter incompetence of ownership and the FO. What a shame. One of the few players that has embraced the city, the local community where he lives, invested in the city and lives here year round.

Congrats and Happy Birthday to Myles, however. Certainly, a Hall of Famer.

It was pretty cool seeing him interact with Garland and Mitchell at the Cavs game on the most recent Hard Knocks episode.

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the Browns like analytics, hows this for some data, since this staff has been here we have lost more than we've won, we have had losing seasons in 3 of the 5 years they've been here, we are 1-2 in playoffs. This is a staff that deserves an extension.. lol, no.


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Emerson, #23, had another poor game. His play is regressing and needs to go....


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The day after a Browns game and there are only 14 (now 15) posts in the post game thread. Apathy surrounding the team has never been this bad. 25 years of BDS has finally taken it's toll.


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I thought the exact same thing when I logged on late last night to look. There was more passion and fire back after 1-31. Not sure if it's because we have a $250M weight around the teams neck that means we will probably see DW trotted out there again next season, the overall feeling that the roster is bereft of much talent and definitely lacks any depth, the HC or the GM ... or a mixture of all of the above. Looking at all the Baker chatter that his performance rekindled maybe that adds salt into the wound. Hopefully I will be feeling more interest and passion come draft day and then preseason.


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Originally Posted by jfanent
The day after a Browns game and there are only 14 (now 15) posts in the post game thread. Apathy surrounding the team has never been this bad. 25 years of BDS has finally taken it's toll.

I noticed that also. 'Apathy' seems an appropriate word....


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KS should have yanked DTR in the third quarter. He also should have kicked the field goal in the fourth quarter to make it a one-score game. DTR is not even third-string worthy. Wasted pick. I also give our D props for keeping us in the game when the offence was stinking it up.
Plus side, Strong had a few good runs, McGuire looked solid again, as did Hall. We basically crushed their running attack.
Oh and DHop made everything!


I don't understand how KS saw more potential in DTR than in Huntley during roster cuts. We got to swallow some pride and cut these poor draft picks because Huntley embarrassed us in that game.

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Originally Posted by mgh888
I thought the exact same thing when I logged on late last night to look. There was more passion and fire back after 1-31. Not sure if it's because we have a $250M weight around the teams neck that means we will probably see DW trotted out there again next season, the overall feeling that the roster is bereft of much talent and definitely lacks any depth, the HC or the GM ... or a mixture of all of the above. Looking at all the Baker chatter that his performance rekindled maybe that adds salt into the wound. Hopefully I will be feeling more interest and passion come draft day and then preseason.

I think all those reasons plus it looks like there is no way out.

In the past we could all see a solution - even though the team didn't follow that path there was hope. But now there's now way out. No FQb in the draft, no cap space to upgrade the talent, we are getting older as a team and bo faith that Berry and KS are the right people to lead us out of this mess


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Hopefully this game ended any further talk about the Browns wasting resources by trying to develop DTR. There's nothing there to develop. If this game accomplishes nothing other than stop all that BS from continuing at least it will have been a successful effort on some level.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Hopefully this game ended any further talk about the Browns wasting resources by trying to develop DTR. There's nothing there to develop. If this game accomplishes nothing other than stop all that BS from continuing at least it will have been a successful effort on some level.

Yes, it has! The key here is to give him the opportunity. I for one wanted to see what he is capable of with a couple of starts.

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What ever it took to convince you and many others is fine with me.


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Originally Posted by mgh888
I thought the exact same thing when I logged on late last night to look. There was more passion and fire back after 1-31. Not sure if it's because we have a $250M weight around the teams neck that means we will probably see DW trotted out there again next season, the overall feeling that the roster is bereft of much talent and definitely lacks any depth, the HC or the GM ... or a mixture of all of the above. Looking at all the Baker chatter that his performance rekindled maybe that adds salt into the wound. Hopefully I will be feeling more interest and passion come draft day and then preseason.

Me too.

It's the weight but it's a bunch of other things. It's the closing window. It's the wasted resources. It's "the bar"... it becomes easy to wallow in mediocrity, but when the bar has been raised to way above the norm (playoffs, great roster) and things come crashing down... apathy becomes the norm. Salt in the wound, especially this wound, only serves to exacerbate.


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Originally Posted by jfanent
The day after a Browns game and there are only 14 (now 15) posts in the post game thread. Apathy surrounding the team has never been this bad. 25 years of BDS has finally taken it's toll.




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Think you may have hit on something big there. Closing window.

Most teams go through change and find a way to replace the talent. Because we've been so crap for so long and suddenly we had what we thought was a dynamic, quality team .... It feels

1. Like the window with those players has slammed shut. The roster feels weaker than 2 or 3 years ago.

2. Because we' struggled so badly to get a quality team assembled in the first place... I think there is a large amount of pessimism that we'll struggle to put replacement pieces in place ..... The OL was elite. Chubb was legit top 2 or 3 in the NFL, Ward, Newsome, MG, even a guy like Hunt was a great option to spell Chubb with. . . Hard to see us getting it all together at a similar level.

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Our FO just cannot swallow their pride and egos and cut or replace their dud draft pick in a timely matter. They would rather get rid of established talent.


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I watched about an hour of the game live, went to work and then watched the rest of the game today.

The Factory of Sadness continues...

Our O line isn't very good and DTR was just plain bad. Hopefully we can get rid of all out QB's and get a decent vet this coming year. We'll see.

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Originally Posted by FATE
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I thought the exact same thing when I logged on late last night to look. There was more passion and fire back after 1-31. Not sure if it's because we have a $250M weight around the teams neck that means we will probably see DW trotted out there again next season, the overall feeling that the roster is bereft of much talent and definitely lacks any depth, the HC or the GM ... or a mixture of all of the above. Looking at all the Baker chatter that his performance rekindled maybe that adds salt into the wound. Hopefully I will be feeling more interest and passion come draft day and then preseason.

Me too.

It's the weight but it's a bunch of other things. It's the closing window. It's the wasted resources. It's "the bar"... it becomes easy to wallow in mediocrity, but when the bar has been raised to way above the norm (playoffs, great roster) and things come crashing down... apathy becomes the norm. Salt in the wound, especially this wound, only serves to exacerbate.

When have we ever wallowed in mediocrity?
We occasionally make a splash apearance into the mediocre then drop back down to the dregs of the NFL


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I wonder how JJ McCarty would stack up against this years QB class.

Darnold has turned it around and is sitting on 14 wins. I don’t know what Minnesota is going to do, but I would ask.

Baker it lighting things up as well. Allen too.


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Originally Posted by mgh888
Think you may have hit on something big there. Closing window.

Most teams go through change and find a way to replace the talent. Because we've been so crap for so long and suddenly we had what we thought was a dynamic, quality team .... It feels

1. Like the window with those players has slammed shut. The roster feels weaker than 2 or 3 years ago.

2. Because we' struggled so badly to get a quality team assembled in the first place... I think there is a large amount of pessimism that we'll struggle to put replacement pieces in place ..... The OL was elite. Chubb was legit top 2 or 3 in the NFL, Ward, Newsome, MG, even a guy like Hunt was a great option to spell Chubb with. . . Hard to see us getting it all together at a similar level.

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I'll try not to go off on a tangent, but it's worth discussing, albeit probably not the best thread for it.

In my mind there are two things that are prerequisites to "dynasty", ie... keeping the window open much longer than usual. Dynasty may not be the best term because a team like Pittsburgh won't get mentioned in that breath, although their track record of winning seasons and playoff appearances is where every team in the league would love to be.

#1... The Race to Plug 'n Play: Whether starting at zero or halfway down the road, getting to a point where you can insert lessor talent without significant drop off or lag. This is all about coaching, system, scheme and having players that have each other's backs. Not "I just know I've been doing my job" like we had with JJIII and that cast of players arguing over who's wearing the green dot.

Remember when Denver could pick running backs off the street for what seemed like about a decade? They were called "system backs", and not coincidentally, their offensive line coach, Alex Gibbs, is GOAT status. You or I could have run in that offense. Remember the names the names Welker and Edelman? Of course you do. Would you have if they weren't a product of Belichick's plug 'n play offense? They could have picked WRs off the street. See the obvious difference in "plug 'n play" without Bill Callahan? Great coaching and less turnover is probably the most important part of this task.

Our coaching, system and scheme have changed nearly every year. Remember COVID year? Everyone had each other's backs. Remember any other seasons with that type of comradery?

#2... Paying good/great players and luring FAs to your franchise at a lessor cost: We were doing this all nearly flawlessly. Rewarding and keeping our draft picks, luring talent from other teams at a lower cost. But make no mistake: this only works well as long as you are winning. And if you're a perennial laughing stock, like the Browns, people have short memories. OBJ ws leaving a team that was 8-24 over it's last two for a team that was 5 of it's last 7 with a hot rookie QB (and his best friend) and still said "I feel like they sent me to Cleveland to die".

The Baker / Watson fiasco now means we don't win on a regular basis, and pretty much back to laughing stock. Now our good / great players feel exactly like Myles does... and the rest of the league is laughing again.


The window is closing quickly and the fans are tired of sticking their heads out for a little fresh air and having it smack them in the head.

Every. Single. Time.


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I thought the exact same thing when I logged on late last night to look. There was more passion and fire back after 1-31. Not sure if it's because we have a $250M weight around the teams neck that means we will probably see DW trotted out there again next season, the overall feeling that the roster is bereft of much talent and definitely lacks any depth, the HC or the GM ... or a mixture of all of the above. Looking at all the Baker chatter that his performance rekindled maybe that adds salt into the wound. Hopefully I will be feeling more interest and passion come draft day and then preseason.

Me too.

It's the weight but it's a bunch of other things. It's the closing window. It's the wasted resources. It's "the bar"... it becomes easy to wallow in mediocrity, but when the bar has been raised to way above the norm (playoffs, great roster) and things come crashing down... apathy becomes the norm. Salt in the wound, especially this wound, only serves to exacerbate.

When have we ever wallowed in mediocrity?
We occasionally make a splash apearance into the mediocre then drop back down to the dregs of the NFL

Haha. Great point. We've spent the better part of thirty years with mediocrity looking like a runway model.


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If I lived in Cleveland I would not go to one Browns game, and would spend my time in the Cavs arena.

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Think you are on the money. Sadly.


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DTR is so bad, he made Huntley look good. the stupid act of going for it on fourth down, when you can barely get 3 yards a play is pure stupidity. Kick the field goal and get within a score. But no turn the ball over on downs and take all the wind out of the sails. Ford gets a couple long runs here and there, then the rest of the game runs sideways, or into the backs of the linemen. You would think Stephanski would throw the fans a bone and at least let Winston play the second half. He probably would have turned it over at least once, but maybe we could have possibly scored.

But in true Browns fashion, they will trot out this arena football QB against the Ravens, just to make sure they put an exclamation point on their failure. I was all in on Watson, but boy was that a mistake. I truly felt like the players really didn't like playing with him. I also feel the players saw that the cost to get him put fork in the ability to keep building a young roster. I mean look, we are trying to have a 5th round QB be a spark, and someone to develop. There are still a decent core of talented players on this roster, but losing all those first round picks made it so that the building of the team was stifled.

The QBs coming out are not franchise type players. They are a bunch of guys like Kenny Pickett, they will get drafted high just because they are QBs, not because of talent. IMO, the damage is done, and next year there is , again, no answer at QB. They need to stay put, and draft the best player available regardless of position. But, Berry will chase "value", and trade down and pick a bunch of second tier guys they think they can develop, but what player has ever developed on this team?

I'm at the point now that I hope Burrow goes on a tear, and the Bengals make a run. Lamar will be MVP, the Steelers will be one and done. It's Buffalo's time, but the NFL is hell bent to give KC another ring. The team I want to see win it all is Detroit, but I don't see the powers that be letting that happen.


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Because of the the Watson Anchor around our necks, I think the window has already closed. Perhaps not officially, but effectively it is gone. We're on the border of Cap Hell because of Watson and we can't make moves because of him as well.

The Good Ship Berea torpedoed itself the moment it signed Watson. It had a *chance* to work, but it was truly an all-or-nothing gamble from the outset.... either it would pay off and we'd have a franchise QB (which we already had at the time, but I digress) or it would fail and the implosion would take everything with it. The latter is what happened.

Watson will still be here and on the roster next season simply because we literally cannot afford any other option. Because of that, we will roll with him as the starter. The BEST thing this FO can do is to bring in a veteran backup that is capable of running Stefanski's system and then having Watson experience a LeCharles Bentley-esque season-ending injury.

Even with that, however, this OLine is not what it used to be. Perhaps the players are too old and beat up. Perhaps it is the change in coaching. Probably a combination of the two.... abysmal QB play isn't helping, nor is not having a healthy Nick Chubb.

It won't be announced as such, and they will claim that we are not, but we ARE entering a rebuild.


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I think we need to look a guy like Malik Willis, I think he'd be worth a look.. He can't possibly be worse than what we have and he'd be cheap enough to take an extended look. Our biggest issue is still we don't have a staff that should be in charge of building this


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And will likely asked to be traded because of the utter incompetence of ownership and the FO. What a shame. One of the few players that has embraced the city, the local community where he lives, invested in the city and lives here year round.

Congrats and Happy Birthday to Myles, however. Certainly, a Hall of Famer.

It was pretty cool seeing him interact with Garland and Mitchell at the Cavs game on the most recent Hard Knocks episode.

The only thing about Myles asking for a trade that makes no sense is that Myles isn't going to be able to control his destination. The Browns aren't going to trade him to a KC or Detroit for a couple of what are essentially 2nd round picks. The Browns are going to seek trade partners whose teams are near the bottom of the standings.


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Green Bay would be a good destination. He would be the missing piece for their D.

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I’m noticing very little activity on the forum. I’ve been posting on here for almost 12 years and i’ve never seen so much apathy and frustration from everyone. It’s definitely warranted. We’ve had a lot of bad seasons but this one might just be the absolute worst.

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